What's your Rundown?

[Xanth]

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to create for myself a nice little rundown to use for my phasing practice.
I haven't come up with anything concrete yet... but I've got several ideas that I've been running through lately.

One suggestion that came from one of the previous moderators here, Selski, was to use a trampoline as part of the rundown.  Great idea really... I should give this one a try.

Back before I realized what all this was, I used to meditate using an Active Meditation... I'd walk through a forest and come upon a waterfall/lake.  It was very serene... very calming... I think I'll try something like that for my next attempt.

Anyways, back to my question at hand...
Assuming you subscribe to Franks Phasing model (or even if you don't and still do this)... what is your rundown?  What kind of success do you have with it?

Thanks for the hand!

~Ryan

[Undertones]

Rundown? Oh...uh, yeah...I'll get that rundown to you in just a little while. (The Office?)

I'm glad you brought this up because I have an issue with the phasing method of noticing and maybe I can get some feedback. I tend to meditate on my breath quite a bit and now it seems that this practice may be hampering my "noticing" while trying Frank's phasing.

1. I start with some deep breaths to calm down.
2. I empty my brain of this, that, the other thing, my paycheck, my car, the sound downstairs, etc.
3. I begin to notice the darkness in front of me.
4. I feel my body become heavier, my legs warmer and less noticeable.
5. I notice the patterns in front of my eyes.
6. I feel my energy body expand.
7. I notice my breathing and I step back from the phasing precipice.
8. I notice the patterns in front of my eyes.
9. I feel my energy body expand.
10. I notice my breathing and I step back from the phasing precipice. 5. I notice the patterns in front of my eyes.
11. I feel my energy body expand.
12. I notice my breathing and I step back from the phasing precipice.
13. I struggle to breathe....damn! I can't get past a certain point without thinking about breathing.

I am now trying this method on my side in case the throat constriction of laying on my back is the culprit but so far no luck. Anyone else have this and how did you get past it. I know my breathing happens on its own while I'm sleeping and the whole point of phasing is MABA but I can't get past this.

[Xanth]

I use Franks "noticing" as a method of relaxing myself into Monroes Focus 3.

However, what you're talking about is "breathing".
A lot of people don't know this, but there actually is a "CORRECT" way to breath.
You're supposed to breath using your diaphragm.  Simply put, if, when you're breathing, anything but your stomach is moving... then you're doing it wrong. 
Most people these days breath from their chest... this is horribly bad because those muscles are vastly weaker than your diaphragm.  It's easier and better to breath from your stomach than it is your chest.
Breathing from the chest is something that most people learn to do as they get older though... it's an image thing.
My Sensei always said that to breath properly means to "get fat"... then "get skinny"... LOL

This is the kind of autonomic breathing that kicks in when you fall asleep.  If you watch a baby lie there breathing, you'll notice that it will do all the breathing using its stomach.  This is what adults should strive for as well.

Doing this kind of breathing also assists the body in falling asleep, because it's the normal type of breathing that it's used to doing naturally.

Have you ever listened to someone make that transition from awake to asleep.  You can actually pinpoint the EXACT second that they "fell asleep" due to how their breathing changes.  This "sleep breathing" is what you want to emulate while meditating.

In any case, try that out and see how that works.
Also, in regards to the noticing... some people, like myself, use it as a forms of 'ignoring the physical body' until you can kick in the "daydreaming".  Others use noticing as a complete form of phasing.

[Stookie]

Also, in regards to the noticing... some people, like myself, use it as a forms of 'ignoring the physical body' until you can kick in the "daydreaming".  Others use noticing as a complete form of phasing.

When I do noticing, I use it to go all the way. I stare into the darkness and "notice", when I start to slip into trance I get hazy blurs of light & color, some hypnogogics go on & off, consciousness gets hazy and I might slip in and out, but eventually and suddenly, a picture will phase in that's as clear as anything I see with my physical eyes. With proper concentration and awareness, I either keep observing it clairvoyant-like, or merge into it phasing-like.

I prefer this method when I feel my concentration is honed like a laser-beam. When it's less-than, I go with a rundown. Having something particular to focus my awareness on helps when I don't feel completely "on".

[Xanth]

When I do noticing, I use it to go all the way. I stare into the darkness and "notice", when I start to slip into trance I get hazy blurs of light & color, some hypnogogics go on & off, consciousness gets hazy and I might slip in and out, but eventually and suddenly, a picture will phase in that's as clear as anything I see with my physical eyes. With proper concentration and awareness, I either keep observing it clairvoyant-like, or merge into it phasing-like.

I prefer this method when I feel my concentration is honed like a laser-beam. When it's less-than, I go with a rundown. Having something particular to focus my awareness on helps when I don't feel completely "on".

Now that you mention that... while I've used the "Noticing" to get a lot more relaxed and less aware of my physical body.
I've "noticed" that it "seems" like I move into the black in front of my eyes.  It'll have a sense of "coming towards me"... but then I'll notice this movement and snap outta it.

I think this is the same kind of "stepping into" I want as if I was doing the imagination thing.

[Undertones]

Xanth,

I actually start breathing with my diaphragm naturally while "noticing" and I think to myself, "Well, that's alright then." It comes along with the body becoming unnoticeable, and my energy seeming to expand.

But I can't seem to stay in the moment without thinking about my breathing as I get closer to MABA. That's why I mention all my work with meditation and focusing on the breath. I'm hoping I haven't ruined my chance at using Frank's method. I just try to say to myself "Awww, forget about the breathing. That'll keep going just like it does when you fall asleep."

[Xanth]

Xanth,

I actually start breathing with my diaphragm naturally while "noticing" and I think to myself, "Well, that's alright then." It comes along with the body becoming unnoticeable, and my energy seeming to expand.

But I can't seem to stay in the moment without thinking about my breathing as I get closer to MABA. That's why I mention all my work with meditation and focusing on the breath. I'm hoping I haven't ruined my chance at using Frank's method. I just try to say to myself "Awww, forget about the breathing. That'll keep going just like it does when you fall asleep."

Not at all! 
You're actually doing very well then!

Just keep doing what you're doing.

~Ryan

[Luckilee]

On breathing with your stomach - I read somewhere that at the start of your meditation, projection, etc., you should breathe in as deeply as you can around 3 times, and then force as much of it out of your lungs as you possibly can; your body should then take over and breathe back in on its' own in the correct way.

On not getting distracted by your breathing - I have somewhat of the same problem. My breathing, heartbeat, or any other "ticking" type sound, distracts me, whereas "solid" sounds do not (for example, the sound of a fan). When I find that I am getting distracted by a "ticking" sound, I usually try to focus on the "ringing" in my ears, which keeps me from getting too distracted by the ticking.

I am new to phasing, so I'm still getting my rundown fleshed out, but it's definitely going to include the library full of mystical and rare books and artifacts in a genetic home (see Frank's notes on his guide, Harath) that came to me in a dream (that I mentioned on IRC earlier.) After that, I think there will be another private room in the same style as the library, but just a small, peaceful room that I can sit in and relax. On the other side of the room, there will be an elevator that slowly takes me up and lets me out in whatever Focus I want to phase to. Like I said, it's not completely fleshed out yet, but I think I have a good personalized beginning.

[indian]

However, what you're talking about is "breathing".
A lot of people don't know this, but there actually is a "CORRECT" way to breath.
You're supposed to breath using your diaphragm.  Simply put, if, when you're breathing, anything but your stomach is moving... then you're doing it wrong. 
Most people these days breath from their chest... this is horribly bad because those muscles are vastly weaker than your diaphragm.  It's easier and better to breath from your stomach than it is your chest.
Breathing from the chest is something that most people learn to do as they get older though... it's an image thing.
My Sensei always said that to breath properly means to "get fat"... then "get skinny"... LOL

People come to this forum right away and asks for the AP or Phasing and they all want it in a single day. No one asks for the correct way of "Living Naturally". Once you know how to live naturally, phasing and AP will be by product.

You have raised a "Million dollar question" Ryan. Everyone should know how to breath naturally. All these Gymnasiums and other body building organizations encourage men and women to breath from chest so that they can get V shape chest and flat abdomen. When you start breathing from chest, you actually disturbs whole energy flow in your body. your breath should "Hit your Belly". No matter if you are busy in work or driving, breathing should only be from belly, NOT from chest.

That is the way of "Buddha" breathing.

We live what Market/Media suggests us. If they say that your abdomen should be flat, you start living that way without using your brain. If you don't have stomach and almost invisible waist, you are the most beautiful women in the world. Every women in the world want to look like a Barby doll. Media tells you what is beautiful and you believe that. In India people wants to become fairer, In US people use Tanning. This is whole Media/Market crap.

Notice one thing, when you are angry or mentally disturbed, the very first thing you will notice is "your breathing is disturbed. If you start breathing from belly, everything will be settled. Your anger, emotional disturbance will be gone if you start breathing naturally.

I have been breathing from belly since childhood, because my father tech me how to breath. And now even If I try to breath from chest, I can not do that.

If people start the natural way of berating, this world would become a most peaceful place to live.

Good work guys!
Regards

[personalreality]

Stookie, if that's phasing then phasing is pretty much the only way I've ever gotten out of the body.  I do exactly what you do all the way up to the point of flickering consciousness.  However, I don't ever get hypnagogics or other visual phenomena to phase into.  At some point I just regain awareness and I'm already in the process of separating.  But still, up to that point my process is identical.

I guess I can't pick on you about phasing anymore xanth.  I can still call you a Frankie though.

Frank Groupie - A Frankie

[Stookie]

Stookie, if that's phasing then phasing is pretty much the only way I've ever gotten out of the body.  I do exactly what you do all the way up to the point of flickering consciousness.  However, I don't ever get hypnagogics or other visual phenomena to phase into.  At some point I just regain awareness and I'm already in the process of separating.  But still, up to that point my process is identical.

I guess I can't pick on you about phasing anymore xanth.  I can still call you a Frankie though.

Frank Groupie - A Frankie

I would say the only difference is that your intent is to separate from physical into the RTZ, whereas my intent is to use visuals to merge straight into F2 (or Monroe's F12-F15).

People just have to find the right combination that works for them. Because I don't think Xanth mentioned that. 

[Xanth]

I would say the only difference is that your intent is to separate from physical into the RTZ, whereas my intent is to use visuals to merge straight into F2 (or Monroe's F12-F15).

People just have to find the right combination that works for them. Because I don't think Xanth mentioned that. 

I didn't.
So thanks for adding it! 

[personalreality]

yea, it works, never thought about trying to define it.