Do you experience the heaviness?

[Tiny]

Dear folks,

I used to believe as it was mentioned in a book that the heaviness (a very distinct, recognizable symptom of body detachment that I usually experience in the eyes and teeth regions, increasing in felt weight by 10 or so) ultimately was a side effect of the trance state but my experience has shown me otherwise.
I sometimes find myself in trance however still very attached to the body and no signs of heaviness.
In fact I find this heaviness much harder to induce than the trance state itself.
Sometimes when I overcharge my energy body the heaviness comes on very quickly. I used to get the heaviness a lot when I was sick together with self-size distortions.

Now I wonder, do you experience the heaviness all the time in the pre-stages of your succesful wake induced exits?


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

I get a heaviness as I'm practicing my Phasing... but I also accounted it as just me "feeling" my body.
Nothing more.

~Ryan

[Tiny]

I get a heaviness as I'm practicing my Phasing... but I also accounted it as just me "feeling" my body.
Nothing more.

~Ryan

Dear Xanth,


I did such a thing you call phasing this morning whereby I slipped directly into my instant day-dreaming scene (mental body), being completly engaged and unaware of the body. This is a mental projection and far different from and much easier than the process of the separation of the etheric double from the physical body.
With this thread I didn't relate to mental projections but projections of the etheric body.




kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

Mental projection... Etheric projection...
To me, they're the same thing.  To me, all projections are the same thing.

Hence why I responded with my experiences of "heaviness". 

[Stookie]

I can sometimes feel heavy when I enter trance, but it also tends to not last long, and these days I ignore all that stuff anyways.

Dear Xanth,


I did such a thing you call phasing this morning whereby I slipped directly into my instant day-dreaming scene (mental body), being completly engaged and unaware of the body. This is a mental projection and far different from and much easier than the process of the separation of the etheric double from the physical body.
With this thread I didn't relate to mental projections but projections of the etheric body.

kind regards,

Paul

The trance state happens with all types of projections.

Once you've phased into your scene it's just a matter of focusing intent on shifting to the RTZ. That was Frank's whole point of phasing: once you've phased, you can go anywhere. To him, it was much simpler than trying to do a standard OBE-type separation.

[Tiny]

Mental projection... Etheric projection...
To me, they're the same thing.  To me, all projections are the same thing.

Hence why I responded with my experiences of "heaviness".  

I quite frankly don't mind what your beliefs are, however you do know now that you are off topic in my thread with due respect...

Once you've phased into your scene it's just a matter of focusing intent on shifting to the RTZ. That was Frank's whole point of phasing: once you've phased, you can go anywhere. To him, it was much simpler than trying to do a standard OBE-type separation.

I am well aware still I relate to separations of the etheric double aka common OBEs, in this thread.


kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

I quite frankly don't mind what your beliefs are, however you do know now that you are off topic in my thread.

I answered your question AND I explained how my answer related to the subject... how exactly is that trolling?

I am well aware but you missed my point.

I believe you should clarify exactly what your point is.
Because apparently both myself AND Stookie have missed it completely.

~Ryan

[Tiny]

I answered your question AND I explained how my answer related to the subject... how exactly is that trolling?
I believe you should clarify exactly what your point is.
Because apparently both myself AND Stookie have missed it completely.

~Ryan

The problem, my friend is that you don't listen. And I have no need to repeat myself as I have already answered your question in the posts above.

And now back on topic please, I don't like to see my thread derailed for another 2 pages and dying out because of it.


kind regards,

Paul

[personalreality]

i have made this distinction before as well.  phasing = astral projection, obe = etheric projection.

when you phase or AP you are turning inwards to the non-physical dimension, the "kingdom of heaven within you".  when you obe you are essentially increasing the vibratory frequency of your consciousness so that it is "in phase" (pardon my use of that word, this has nothing to do with phasing) with your higher dimensional energy bodies/selves.  You are moving up in physical dimension.

[Xanth]

Fair enough, I PMed you a response from your previous post.

As for your *initial* question, I re-read your post like you asked and I have the following to say.  

do you experience the heaviness all the time in the pre-stages of your succesful wake induced exits?

I've had no successful conscious exits, but my pre-stages are pretty clear.  So my answer would be, no, not all the time.

May I ask what you believe you're accomplishing by 'inducing' this 'heavy' feeling?
I see it as a byproduct of entering the trance state and, if used at all, should be a signpost that you're on the right track.

~Ryan