Lucid dream to Obe or AP

[Xanth]

again - dreams relate to the MENTAL plane, astral projections to the ASTRAL plane. They are different dimensions running on different codes like windows and linux do and every serious traveller should be aware of it.
These can not be simplified into one unless one wants to delude himself.

The mental plane is running on a much finer, "higher" vibrational rate than the astral planes.

The travelling projector as he enters each dimension aquires a body made of the respective matter of the corresponding plane he finds himself on in order to function there.

That is why lucid dreams will always be experienced differently from astral travels.

kind regards,

Paul

Just to make the distinction... I follow and fully believe in Franks Phasing Model.
Whereby Dreams, Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections are all done in the same place, Robert Monroe labels this place "Focus 22", which is within what Frank calls Focus 2 of Consciousness.  The only difference between the three is your state of conscious awareness... or in other terms, "How consciously aware you are".

Personally speaking, I've learned all the stuff that Paul is talking about and I've found it too confusing and full of "old world terminology" and far gone mystical ideas.

In my opinion it's time to lose the mysticism of this stuff and move into a more modern age.

~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

again - dreams relate to the MENTAL plane, astral projections to the ASTRAL plane. They are different dimensions running on different codes like windows and linux do and every serious traveller should be aware of it.

Dear Paul:
Mental projections can happen and do happen inside any other plane.  They are simulations designed to teach you something.  Not all mental projections happen inside the mental plane- this is a 'state', not a place.  Any mention of time space or location is not of the mental plane.
This is observed and agreed by most projectors I know, and some that I have read also.

[Stookie]

I'm with CF on this one.

[Tiny]

Dear Paul:
Mental projections can happen and do happen inside any other plane.  They are simulations designed to teach you something.  Not all mental projections happen inside the mental plane- this is a 'state', not a place.  Any mention of time space or location is not of the mental plane.
This is observed and agreed by most projectors I know, and some that I have read also.

Dear CFTraveler,

I see you are obviously aware of it  ,

I do however not understand why you'd feel you needed to expand on this for me.


kind regards,

Paul

[personalreality]

I'm not a Frank Groupie, but my model of reality is kind of similar I suppose.

I wouldn't break down the non-physical realm in so many planes.  There's the physical and non-physical.  Thought forms of any kind are born in the non-physical soup.  Be it AP, dreaming, contemplation, etc. etc. 

Its the inner realms, the inner dimensions.

[Xanth]

I'm not a Frank Groupie, but my model of reality is kind of similar I suppose.

I wouldn't break down the non-physical realm in so many planes.  There's the physical and non-physical.  Thought forms of any kind are born in the non-physical soup.  Be it AP, dreaming, contemplation, etc. etc. 

Its the inner realms, the inner dimensions.

Actually, he doesn't break down the dimensions... he breaks it down by consciousness.
And *ALL* of it is consciousness. 

~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

Mmmmm..... soup.

[sublimy99]

 So it happened again. I was in a dream and I was walking
down the street
with a pizza box. It was raining and it got blurry and this became my
dream trigger.
So I'm
staring at the scene and the rain
and I know I'm dreaming, so I stop in my tracks and say "I want to be
out of my body now!"
And the dream scene starts to fall away and then I start to fall and I
remain calm. I'm falling and everthing is dark, not black, but very dark.
I start to get the vibrations and I hear some weird noise
like a howling and I'm still
calm. I say to myself again, "I want to be out of my body" and I just
land in bed and wake up, though I keep my eyes closed, hoping to go
back. That doesn't happen and now I've waisted a lucid dream..grrrr!!!!

[Xanth]

So it happened again. I was in a dream and I was walking
down the street
with a pizza box. It was raining and it got blurry and this became my
dream trigger.
So I'm
staring at the scene and the rain
and I know I'm dreaming, so I stop in my tracks and say "I want to be
out of my body now!"
And the dream scene starts to fall away and then I start to fall and I
remain calm. I'm falling and everthing is dark, not black, but very dark.
I start to get the vibrations and I hear some weird noise
like a howling and I'm still
calm. I say to myself again, "I want to be out of my body" and I just
land in bed and wake up, though I keep my eyes closed, hoping to go
back. That doesn't happen and now I've waisted a lucid dream..grrrr!!!!

I try not to say or command anything.
Just stand still within your dream and close off your emotions and thoughts.

Or you can do what CFT does and just fly straight up as fast as you can towards whatever star you can see.

~Ryan

[sublimy99]

Xanth, there was someone else on this thread that mentioned the command and it worked for them.
I tried the one you just mentioned about shutting off emotions and that also worked,
As far as getting me to vibrations. I know vibrations are less common from the lucid state, but
it seems to be what is happening with me. So, it's not getting to a point of the vibrational stage,
it's a matter of skipping that part and going right into projection, or learning to except the
vibrational stage in the lucid dream state and gain an exit strategy from there.

Both your method and the previous posters method are based on skipping the vibrational stage, yet
it's not working in that respect for me. Meanwhile I feel I'm waisting some lucid dreams, but I guess
every venture has it's cost and I'm willing to give up my lucidity for astral travel.
It's not as I'm even nervous during this vibrational fall, not at all, I'm totally calm. I'm not scared
of the fall, or the vibrations. I guess I need aother technique to go from lucid dream directly to
astral projection or I have to develope an exit strategy that gets me out, because once I do,

I'm good to go!!

[personalreality]

Actually, he doesn't break down the dimensions... he breaks it down by consciousness.
And *ALL* of it is consciousness. 

~Ryan

That sounds an awful lot like you're describing something like god.

[Xanth]

That sounds an awful lot like you're describing something like god.

You would toss that monkey wrench, wouldn't you? 

[personalreality]

semantics

[Xanth]

semantics

Monkey Wrench, or God?  

In either case, no. 

[CFTraveler]

Xanth, there was someone else on this thread that mentioned the command and it worked for them.
I tried the one you just mentioned about shutting off emotions and that also worked,
As far as getting me to vibrations. I know vibrations are less common from the lucid state, but
it seems to be what is happening with me. So, it's not getting to a point of the vibrational stage,
it's a matter of skipping that part and going right into projection, or learning to except the
vibrational stage in the lucid dream state and gain an exit strategy from there.

Both your method and the previous posters method are based on skipping the vibrational stage, yet
it's not working in that respect for me. Meanwhile I feel I'm waisting some lucid dreams, but I guess
every venture has it's cost and I'm willing to give up my lucidity for astral travel.
It's not as I'm even nervous during this vibrational fall, not at all, I'm totally calm. I'm not scared
of the fall, or the vibrations. I guess I need aother technique to go from lucid dream directly to
astral projection or I have to develope an exit strategy that gets me out, because once I do,

I'm good to go!!

When I get vibrations and realize I'm having exit sensations, (in the dream state) I just fly away.  This is because you are projecting from your dream body- but since your dream body is already a projection (i.e. you already are in the astral) all you have to do is leave the area.  So fly away, and see if you perceive a phase shift (and you'll know it when you perceive it) or you may see a delineation/barrier you have to cross, and you will find yourself on a different locale, or on the void.  (Or, if you haven't developed past the astral body, you might find yourself waking up.

Exit techniques are dandy for when you're 'in your physical body' (that is, perceiving from that point of view) but if you're in a lucid dream the 'tech' isn't as important as in the 'going away', from your personal area in the astral (or focus) to the collective area- hence the perception of a 'frontier' or barrier, depending from where you're coming from.

[Psilibus]

CFTraveler -

Excellent response. Succinct.

[sublimy99]

I am open to anything. I will try that technique, if Willam Buhlmans technique
does not work. He says to focus away from your body and think of where
you want to be. Another room, where ever you want to travel. This is
all based on advice on vibrations through a lucid dream. I haven't had
a lucid dream in awhile. about a week and a half. I am very happy that I'm
getting the falling feeling and vibrations, so I'm sure I will get out next couple of tries.
I'm sure of it. Now, what will I do? My son wants me to go to his room, which is
a few towns over. First I have to exit, but I should have a plan or it might just
end up waisted. I do have (as mentioned before) an entity attached to me.
I'm wondering if I should confront it, or try to ignore it. In my lucid dreams it
stays hidden but still messes with me. I want all that to end and my
exploration into the astral realms to begin.