Energy Conversion Box!

[Xanth]

I'm curious...

If anyone here uses the Monroe "Energy Conversion Box" or some other form of it.
And if you do, what do you put in there mostly? 

[CFTraveler]

At times, and whatever it is that's bothering me.  Can be a person or an idea.

[podizzle]

I've tried it, but the real success I think is found when you raise your energy levels through meditation and energy works.

[Xanth]

I've tried it, but the real success I think is found when you raise your energy levels through meditation and energy works.

We're not talking that kind of energy conversion...

[podizzle]

i know what it is. its all your cares and personal worries from the physical in some made up trunk and you slam the lid on it and poof they're all gone. Im just saying its overrated as far as OBE success goes in my experience. I do love the gateway series as a whole as a guide for meditation though.

[soli]

I wish I could put all my physical senses into that box so I would enter a rundown switch state and automatically phase into f2oC.

[Xanth]

i know what it is. its all your cares and personal worries from the physical in some made up trunk and you slam the lid on it and poof they're all gone. Im just saying its overrated as far as OBE success goes in my experience. I do love the gateway series as a whole as a guide for meditation though.

You're right.
It is overrated as far as YOUR experience goes. 

Do you see the distinction I made there?

For a lot of people, myself included, it's a very good tool for letting go of 'random' stuff.

I wish I could put all my physical senses into that box so I would enter a rundown switch state and automatically phase into f2oC.

Actually, all you would, perhaps, end up doing is locking your physical senses from moving anywhere.

~Ryan

[Stookie]

I would put EVERYTHING that pushed on my mind in it. I had some sort of representation for my job and even relationships. Like I would have miniature doll version of a particular person I would put in it. Or a small house. Whatever is needed to represent what is pressing my mind.

[Xanth]

I've always found it beneficial to put all of my physical reality in the box... at least the physical side of it.
This allows me to focus entirely on the non-physical.

I should come up with metaphysical representations of all my worries.  I just kinda put the words in the box.
That might not have the same meaning.

~Ryan

[Stookie]

I just do whatever is currently on my mind that may pop up during the session. And finish with my physical body itself. (or my representation of that)

[soli]

Actually, all you would, perhaps, end up doing is locking your physical senses from moving anywhere.

I don't know, I think it would depend on how much you're already focused in f2oC. I don't see how the balance of focus in the f1oC/f2oC overlay could not be changed at all by doing that. Maybe it depends on one's belief of the function of the energy box in imagination.

[Xanth]

I don't know, I think it would depend on how much you're already focused in f2oC. I don't see how the balance of focus in the f1oC/f2oC overlay could not be changed at all by doing that. Maybe it depends on one's belief of the function of the energy box in imagination.

That's not the point of putting stuff in the box.

You do it BEFORE you phase so as to get rid of any worries or troubles that are nagging you that might otherwise distract you.

[soli]

That's not the point of putting stuff in the box.

You do it BEFORE you phase so as to get rid of any worries or troubles that are nagging you that might otherwise distract you.

We have different views of what the box is used for then The box to me is an imaginary construct used to get rid of what you don't want at the moment. If I don't want to perceive anything in the physical then I will put them in there, which will help me lose focus of f1oC and focus more on f2oC. Your physical reality is what you perceive by your senses, without any physical senses you would have no physical reality to perceive to yourself. I don't see how it is different at all to how you said, "I've always found it beneficial to put all of my physical reality in the box... at least the physical side of it.
This allows me to focus entirely on the non-physical."

[Xanth]

We have different views of what the box is used for then The box to me is an imaginary construct used to get rid of what you don't want at the moment. If I don't want to perceive anything in the physical then I will put them in there, which will help me lose focus of f1oC and focus more on f2oC. Your physical reality is what you perceive by your senses, without any physical senses you would have no physical reality to perceive to yourself. I don't see how it is different at all to how you said, "I've always found it beneficial to put all of my physical reality in the box... at least the physical side of it.
This allows me to focus entirely on the non-physical."

My apologies, I believe I misread your previous post. 
So then, what do you put into your box to make the process of phasing/projection easier to begin?

[soli]

well, I think the box is mainly used to rid yourself of surface thoughts and focus of the physical body, so, anything that is not strictly necessary for phasing should go in there. It will probably take several experiences of phasing before it is known what is actually not needed.

[Bacterio]

I use it everytime I try to phase. I put all the things I have in my mind...mostly using simbols, i.e if i am worried about future I put a cristal ball. I take out my body and put it there as well. After I put everything inside I put the box inside a kind rock made of glass. If something bother me anytime during the attemp I put it inside a smaller box and send it away. Sometimes I put my left brain inside too.