When do you 'release'

[missym]

When trying to AP, at what point do you 'release', and start 'feeling' a floating sensation and imagine yourself moving up(or use the rope technique, roll-out, etc.)? Is it before or after you feel paralyzed?
If you do not use any techniques, will you project anyway?

[Asi911]

I only use exit techniques in case I'm paralyzed.

I do practice the feeling when I'm not paralyzed but its only for practice reasons and energy work and i don't expect it to get me out of body.

Sometimes i do not enter paralysis so i don't have to use any technique at all - i just pop out instinctively and find myself out of body or projecting.

[Psilibus]

I'm not so sure that "paralysis" should be included in any type of "technique". It may be an opportunity if one realizes you are in that state but "paralysis" is generally a side effect of REM state and is mostly very brief and really should not happen often. Others may disagree of course. Google sleep paralysis and read some scientific articles about it. The studies generally came about in the study of narcolepsy.

I generally prefer to "roll" out for an OBE. This requires conscious effort and a sleeping body. I generally put my body in that state through meditation and relaxation. I hold my consciousness through the intention of projecting. Once I realize my body is asleep, ie. I become unaware of my physical senses, I "wriggle" without moving. Hard to really describe but I can feel part of me moving but it is not my physical body. Once I am satisfied that my "etheric/astral" body is sufficiently loosened (?) I simply roll out just as if I were getting out of bed. There are too many other techniques to list and I would recommend picking one and staying with it. Too me the key is heightened conscious awareness with a total disconnect from the body and physical sensation.

This I use for OBE. There are many other methods specifically for "astral projection" or you may project astrally from the RTZ once you are OBE.

Hope this made sense.

Enjoy!

[liveandlove]

I can relate to what Psilibus is saying, exept all the times I projected, it wasn't planned... When I started AP, it didn't work when I tried to... I really just had to let it happen. Each time I projected, I didn't really realize what was happening until I was "out".

After I have experienced it a few times, there were times where my body was sort of vibrating (or astral body "loosening" ) but where I deliberatly chose not to leave my body. This has happened a LOT and I can tell you how I put myself into that state. Once there, you can use whatever method works for you to come out.

Most of my experiences started with meditation. Often, while meditating, I started feeling too sleepy to meditate and so I transited into a nap or I would go to bed directly after meditating while being tired and without taking the time to return to "normal awareness". The body is still, the mind is focused, calm yet aware. So I lay down to enter a peaceful sleep, but I am more aware than usual.  After a while of deep relaxation, I just tip into another state. That state is the one that happens just before you fall asleep.... and I suddenly become very aware that I am in that state. This is when the vibrations usually start. I heard that some people don't feel any vibrations... for me, they have been the most obvious indicator that I was able to leave the body.  Is this state considered sleep paralysis? I don't know and I don't think it matters because if you try to figure it out once you're there, you'll probably just bring back awareness into your body, especially if you try to move it. Something that I do to test my level of body awareness is simply trying to remember where my hands are... If I can't tell, it's a good sign and I move on.

In terms of coming out... I'm no expert because as I said, it always just happened....  I would say, however, this is when you should use the rolling out technique or other coming out techniques.  I think what matters most is intent. You'll probably know when you reach the state where you can leave your body.  Intend to do so.  It should work!

Good luck!!

[personalreality]

We had the paralysis argument recently....it's in one of these forums.

I don't "release" (as in let go of my focus) until I move out of body.  But I also don't use a technique per se.  I kind of just sink down (my awareness) and then let my intention and mind do the rest.  At some point I move out of my body and then I let go.

[Xanth]

I've never had a conscious exit... I'm always already "Out" in a Lucid Dream when I go.
However, I do know that with "phasing", you don't "exit" either... so there's no point where you "release".
You simply phase from one Focus into another.

~Ryan 

[AstralBeginnings]

Correct me if im wrong, but with phasing I assume you dont "phase" into the RTZ - is that right?  I would class Phasing as Astral Projection and exiting the body as an OBE - again is this right?

[Psilibus]

AstralBeginnings -

That's the kind of question I like to see. 

[Xanth]

Correct me if im wrong, but with phasing I assume you dont "phase" into the RTZ - is that right?  I would class Phasing as Astral Projection and exiting the body as an OBE - again is this right?

Phasing... Astral Projection... OBEing...
They're literally all terms for the same thing.

See, Robert Monroe used to have the Traditional OBEs.  He'd lie down to project, get the separation feelings, separate and be off on his merry way.
THEN... one day, he figured out that he could OBE without all the traditional feelings, he called this "Phasing".
He figured out that he wasn't "leaving" his body at all... and all of these "separation" feelings that he got were self induced for the purposes of accepting that he was "leaving" his body... when in actuality, he was simply just changing where his attention was focused.

For arguments sake, when I say RTZ, I mean Focus 1 of Consciousness.

They're all one in the same... the difference is your expectations.
You can phase to any other Focus level from any other Focus level.  RTZ(Focus 1)... Astral(Focus 2)... Transition Area(Focus 3)... Loss of Individuality(Focus 4).
Frank only determined that it was *EASIER* for those of us not pro at this to Phase into Focus 2 first.  Then from there you can Phase yourself into the RTZ(Focus 1)... or anywhere else you chose to go.

I hope some of that cleared up something.  LoL

~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

Correct me if im wrong, but with phasing I assume you dont "phase" into the RTZ - is that right?  I would class Phasing as Astral Projection and exiting the body as an OBE - again is this right?

Most of the time, but not always.  Or, what Xanth said.

ps. I always use an exit tech (or make an effort) since I hardly ever spontaneously project anymore.

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[jub jub]

It really varies with me. If I feel the vibrations then I am conscious of what's going on and I'll try to exit at anytime during the vibes. Sometimes I'm successful and sometimes I'm not.

LDs on the other hand are different. One minute I can be dreaming and the next minute I'm lucid within the dream in one continuous motion.

Phasing is something that I have never mastered. I have done it on several occasions and it felt like I just dozed off for a second and then "poof", I was in the Astral! This is a very weird sensation to the point of startling!