My eyes are crossing when I'm in "state"? XANTH, P-REAL and others HALP

[Eyyoshi]

I'm pretty sure they're doing that! What's worrying me is that when I cross my eyes I get that same sensation when I'm in state. So basically I'm worried that I have not entered a state, but my eyes are just crossing for all this time. Hopefully that's just a symptom or something. I don't focus my attention on my eyes, I swear I don't! Gah...suspicious.

I do the phasing thing, staring into the blackness etc.

Sorry for inactivity btw.

[zareste]

emphasis on 'others' I hope
It's just natural to tense up. I think the best you can do is check to see if you're tensing now and then

[Xanth]

It's just natural to tense up. I think the best you can do is check to see if you're tensing now and then

Hi Yosh 

Yeah, what Zareste said was pretty much spot on.
When you're practicing your projections... when you run through your relaxation process, make sure you focus on your head a lot.
It's where we carry *A LOT* of our stress.  The forehead, the ears... and especially the eyes!

If you're doing phasing and using a rundown... then I find that trying to relax my eyes works especially well.

~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

It is natural for the eyes to roll up when they are closed and you're trying to meditate or whatnot.
I have noticed it happen to me (sometimes crosseyed, sometimes just 'up') but I find like, what everyone else said, just relaxing them makes it stop, or me not notice anymore.  Either way it's ok.

[Psilibus]

I find that when I lose sense of my eyes I am near to projection time. If you are sensing your eyes the "third eye" is not primed.

Like you and others have said, don't think about your eyes. Focus initially on the relaxation of your entire body, lastly the head face and eyes. They may cross or roll up but if you are maintaining awareness of this then it may be you are still trying (perhaps unconsciously) to use your "physical" vision. Maybe try to "not see". Get deeper into the mind.

Good luck with it. 

[Eyyoshi]

Gonna be tricking to forget your eyes! How does one relax their eyes?

[CFTraveler]

First, relax your eyelids, and feel them 'soften up'.  Then do something else, like look at the blobs or whatever in front, then let it 'melt' away.  If your attention keeps going to your eyes, try listening to your earhiss.

[Xanth]

First, relax your eyelids, and feel them 'soften up'.

Ooooh!  That's a great way of describing it!
That's exactly how I feel it too... they soften up. 

~Ryan

[personalreality]

can you get a copy of monroe's journey's out of body hemi-sync disc?

(if not i can email it to you *shhhh*)

he has a really good guided relaxation process that helps me relax my eyes and face really well.

I often find that zareste is useless.....I mean......I find that sometimes during a projection attempt if I don't stay aware of my body it will tense up really bad.  In a way it's good because it causes further relaxation but after a certain point if i tense again it will prevent me for getting out easily.  Though, a lot of times when i come back from my projection i'll find that my hands are clenched up or my eyes have rolled back in my head. 

[pondini]

personalreality, the ability to roll your eyes back into your head may signify a greater capacity to achieve deep trance states.

A new index of personality

John Dean is a one. A famous opera singer is a five. Manhattan Psychiatrist Herbert Spiegel, who invented the eye-roll scale in the first place, is in the middle, between a two and a three.

To Spiegel, 63, a clinical professor at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons, measuring the eye roll is no mere cocktail-party game but "a pivotal clinical sign" of how susceptible a person is to being hypnotized. Even more surprising, he says it is also a rough index of some basic personality traits, including suggestibility and gullibility.

Spiegel's test: hold the head level and roll the eyes upward as far as possible. Then, as the eyelids are lowered slowly, have someone check the amount of white space that shows under the corneas. The greater the white space, the greater the capacity to be hypnotized.

Spiegel developed his curious theory in the early '60s, after noting that a woman filmed during a trancelike seizure showed an unusual ability to roll her eyes up and down, while an unhypnotizable male patient showed no eye roll at all. Since then, in his clinical work, he has tested the theory on some 5,000 adults. His finding: the eye-roll scale accurately predicts hypnotizability 75% of the time.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945855,00.html#ixzz0oVHksMpl

[personalreality]

hmm...

[Psilibus]

"Now I've made a 180° turnaround. Today I believe that the major determination of who we are as people is pretty much decided when the sperm meets the egg." Spiegel

Sounds more like he did a 360.

[pondini]

Pslilibus, in jeff warren's book The Head Trip there is a section with spiegel, it's basically a transcript of him hypnotizing warren. warren was unreceptive -and very skeptical- to previous hypnotic suggestion, until he met spiegel. spiegel performed a pretty impressive hypnotic demo on warren. after hearing that session i understand how the nature in which the hypno-trick works could cause any psychiatrist to make his 'sperm and egg' comment, but i prefer to believe a 'higher self' needs to be considered.

if i understand your point correctly, i would agree -nearly all scientists are impervious to the suggestion of a 'soul'.

[sola~]

"Now I've made a 180° turnaround. Today I believe that the major determination of who we are as people is pretty much decided when the sperm meets the egg." Spiegel

Sounds more like he did a 360.

don't get it, if cause = effect isn't when who we are as people decided since forever ago? Or does he mean when he's actually able to see the results of such causes himself?

[Psilibus]

Pslilibus, in jeff warren's book The Head Trip there is a section with spiegel, it's basically a transcript of him hypnotizing warren. warren was unreceptive -and very skeptical- to previous hypnotic suggestion, until he met spiegel. spiegel performed a pretty impressive hypnotic demo on warren. after hearing that session i understand how the nature in which the hypno-trick works could cause any psychiatrist to make his 'sperm and egg' comment, but i prefer to believe a 'higher self' needs to be considered.

if i understand your point correctly, i would agree -nearly all scientists are impervious to the suggestion of a 'soul'.

Thank you, yes that was my point. I work with MD's. I have worked around "scientists" and researchers. Sometimes they are stuck in the biological process, ie. hypnosis is tied to the brain matter only, sperm and egg make you who you are - nothing more, ect. I think there is so much more that some are afraid of admitting to protect their reputation. I don't know Spiegel or his work so I cannot speak for him. I simply found this comment suspect. The idea that eye roll may indicate hypnosis ability may be a very valid point though, IMO.

I am a scientist only in AP. Probably more of an explorer though. The last frontier?

[pondini]

I am a scientist only in AP. Probably more of an explorer though. The last frontier?

i totally agree that 'the last frontier' in this physical realm is comprised of many -or all- of the topics listed here at Astral Pulse! the truth has been hidden for far too long and our time is now! (i have much more to say on that topic as well, but that's best suited for another thread.)

yes, the scientific community is doing exactly what the church did to them and to all dissenters back in history; they ex-communicate them if their views conflicted with the status quo. it's unfortunate, but some scientists are stepping up! i'm sure many of us here know who Thomas Campell is, and his book My Big T.O.E. (Theory Of Everything.) he is a physicist who designed the Monroe Institute's electronics system. then there is Robert Lanza who recently released the book Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe. and Nassim Haramein's entrance with Crossing the Event Horizon. all these guys are scientific heavyweights so the scientific community has a hard time discrediting them.

i can't comment on eyyoshi's 'crossed eyes' condition, but here's another slightly-related observation from my OBE journal:

"this tangle of lights, in a swag formation, was fuzzy and out of focus for a moment until i concentrated more, then they became crystal-clear, but they were quicly shifting a few inches from right to left, just as if you were to hold your index finger out at arms length and view it with only your left eye open, then close it and look with your right eye. if you repeat this a few times you will understand how i saw it, flickering back and fourth."

i later read in some OBE manual of a similar experience by someone else. seems like there are tons of small oddities like this that i'd like to hear explained:P