Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....

[Annika]

there's no problem with being psychically active all the time.

you just need to learn to work with it.

learn to filter it and control it.

Hey Rusty....
Yeah.....I don't worry about this anymore......I've learned a way to work with it by focusing and it seems to work pretty well, which might be filtering in your terminology, but when I'm really tired, focusing is much more difficult. Would I sometimes prefer to see only darkness when I close my eyes.......sure, particularly when I want to sleep! All the movement sometimes makes relaxation difficult! And yes, I really do tell these beings that I want to sleep.
I know that I'm not being controlled or possessed by anyone, but I understand someone else's concern for my well-being and I appreciate it! I think I have much better control over it today than before, so I'm progressing and everything is a learning experience, if you allow it to be.
As always, thank you for your kind thoughts.....

[Selea]

Selea.....
Initially, this experience really frightened me.....I didn't ask or request it to happen! And, I still don't know exactly why it's happened. Maybe I abused my psychic abilities in another life time and this is the "penance" or karma, if you will, that I need to pay! I do know that I can't shut it down....I've tried and nothing really works!

It will come in time. You are experiencing a fase. Everybody comes to it one time or another. You have come to it without doing nothing consciously, but everybody doing certain things will come to this point. You see, you think that you are "special". It is this sort of thought that it's dangerous. As I said, I've been there. I know what you are going through. You think you have nothing more, you say you are not special than others, yet you feel you have something more none the less, inside you. This happens yet more in your case, if you sort of receive this "gift" (as people calls it). If one works towards it the feeling is much subsided since in that case you know that everybody can do the same, given the right willpower to do so.

You already know in realtity how to close or filter what you "see", you are already doing it before going to bed, you said it to me, so you know how to do it, it is only that you like the feel of "power" it gives, the sense that you are "different". No matter if you ask "God" or whatever you call it, nonetheless you don't know what's around you. You don't test it nor acknowledge from where it comes forth. Also this is a typical inconvenience of people that found they can do these things without understanding why. I was one at beginning, yet I've learned the bad way that I had to approach this "gift" differently, and that in reality I was only a self-deluded idiot most of the time.

You see, either in the most "occult" or "esoteric" practice there must always be a sort of "scientific" approach or you are asking for a lot of self-delusion. Learning to control the experience doesn't mean that you fear it, nor does it mean that it is bad to be "open" all the time. It is done as a way to controlling the experience instead of being controlled by it. At the beginning this is most important, above all if you are experiencing it without understanding truly what's happening to you.

Please understand well why I'm telling you this. It is not to bring you down or sto say that you are doing something wrong. I've only seen something in my experience and I would like that others following the same path doesn't have to endure all the mistakes I've done in the past.

Best regards,
Selea

[Annika]

It will come in time. You are experiencing a fase. Everybody comes to it one time or another. You have come to it without doing nothing consciously, but everybody doing certain things will come to this point. You see, you think that you are "special". It is this sort of thought that it's dangerous. As I said, I've been there. I know what you are going through. You think you have nothing more, you say you are not special than others, yet you feel you have something more none the less, inside you. This happens yet more in your case, if you sort of receive this "gift" (as people calls it). If one works towards it the feeling is much subsided since in that case you know that everybody can do the same, given the right willpower to do so.

You already know in realtity how to close or filter what you "see", you are already doing it before going to bed, you said it to me, so you know how to do it, it is only that you like the feel of "power" it gives, the sense that you are "different". No matter if you ask "God" or whatever you call it, nonetheless you don't know what's around you. You don't test it nor acknowledge from where it comes forth. Also this is a typical inconvenience of people that found they can do these things without understanding why. I was one at beginning, yet I've learned the bad way that I had to approach this "gift" differently, and that in reality I was only a self-deluded idiot most of the time.

You see, either in the most "occult" or "esoteric" practice there must always be a sort of "scientific" approach or you are asking for a lot of self-delusion. Learning to control the experience doesn't mean that you fear it, nor does it mean that it is bad to be "open" all the time. It is done as a way to controlling the experience instead of being controlled by it. At the beginning this is most important, above all if you are experiencing it without understanding truly what's happening to you.

Please understand well why I'm telling you this. It is not to bring you down or sto say that you are doing something wrong. I've only seen something in my experience and I would like that others following the same path doesn't have to endure all the mistakes I've done in the past.

Best regards,
Selea

Selea....
I think that you are wrong on several levels......I don't think that you have understood my posts or perhaps I didn't write it clearly enough for you to understand. I don't think that I'm "special"...at least not in the way that you're expressing it. I'm a pretty normal person who probably had a certain amount of psychic ability to begin with and it grew as I became ready to handle it! Do I think other people can have the same experiences that I've had.....absolutely! I think that there's a connection to "higher realms" because I expressed a desire to "ascend" and that expression was done with a pure intention! Not to be better or special, just to improve my understanding of different realms of existence and perhaps for confirmation of their existence!

I recently learned to focus on something else, so that I could sleep better! Most of the day, my eyes are open!  The "feel of power" that it gives??
I'm not really sure where you're going with this......I don't need this ability to be empowered! I'm a strong, intelligent & educated woman and I've survived quite well for many years without this ability! I'm not using this ability in a negative way...I don't hurt people, I don't wish them harm and actually I wish all people well & hope that they find fulfillment in their lives.

I'm not deluding myself.....and I have no idea what your experience was, as you have not elaborated on it, you've only left mysterious clues that it was negative! Many people have negative experiences in a variety of situations and it doesn't have to prevent them from seeking the truth.
And I am seeking the truth, but not necessarily in the way that you have ! You stated that even in the  "occult" or "esoteric" practice that we need the scientific approach.....the problem with that sort of absolute statement, is that there is no definitive objective proof of what we all individually experience, which is part of the "scientific method"! And in the psychic realm......it's just not a scientifically measurable experience...in other words, it's not objective, it's subjective! If it were objective, more scientists would be performing all sorts of test to prove the psychic experiences that we've had. The only area in the psy realm where verifiable data can be ascertained is in meditation, where the change in brain waves that occurs during meditation is significant!

As far as my experiencing a "fase",.... during the year that this experience has been occurring, the experience has not been at a standstill, it has been progressing forward as I'm able to handle it. And yes, in time I will have better control over it and no, the experience is not controlling me, although it seems from your response that you're experience "controlled" you! I'm sorry about that! Many people can't gauge how to view my experience, because it is unusual and not the norm and my reason for posting in this forum was to see if other people have had the same experience & to compare notes....if you will!

As far as "not knowing what's around me"......I'd be willing to bet the farm that I have a pretty good idea of what's around me......I can see it when my eyes are closed......remember! As I've stated before....I have no idea what your negative experience was and it obviously left a definitive impression on you. Hopefully, you'll be able to transcend it....
Take care.....

[CFTraveler]

I just have to ask... do all of you know each other from somewhere else?

[Annika]

I just have to ask... do all of you know each other from somewhere else?

No....!

[Selea]

Selea....
I think that you are wrong on several levels......I don't think that you have understood my posts or perhaps I didn't write it clearly enough for you to understand. I don't think that I'm "special"...at least not in the way that you're expressing it. I'm a pretty normal person who probably had a certain amount of psychic ability to begin with and it grew as I became ready to handle it! Do I think other people can have the same experiences that I've had.....absolutely! I think that there's a connection to "higher realms" because I expressed a desire to "ascend" and that expression was done with a pure intention! Not to be better or special, just to improve my understanding of different realms of existence and perhaps for confirmation of their existence!

This is one of the motives why I don't usually reply to these sort of things, especially in internet. People take everything too personal. Suffice to say that you know for yourself what you feel, and I'm not imposing anything at all. Reread what you wrote, it's all there, either if you understand it or not. Maybe you will understand what I'm saying in future, maybe not.

I'm not really sure where you're going with this......I don't need this ability to be empowered! I'm a strong, intelligent & educated woman and I've survived quite well for many years without this ability! I'm not using this ability in a negative way...I don't hurt people, I don't wish them harm and actually I wish all people well & hope that they find fulfillment in their lives.

Whenever I told you that you are using this in a negative way? I only told you that you are not controlling the experience and without understanding it you are taking everything for granted. You can think this a bad thing or not. As I said there are a lot of people that like to be "brought by hand" by everything. I'm not one of them.

And I am seeking the truth, but not necessarily in the way that you have ! You stated that even in the  "occult" or "esoteric" practice that we need the scientific approach.....the problem with that sort of absolute statement, is that there is no definitive objective proof of what we all individually experience, which is part of the "scientific method"! And in the psychic realm......it's just not a scientifically measurable experience...in other words, it's not objective, it's subjective! If it were objective, more scientists would be performing all sorts of test to prove the psychic experiences that we've had. The only area in the psy realm where verifiable data can be ascertained is in meditation, where the change in brain waves that occurs during meditation is significant!

You can think what you want, but believe me or not you are wrong. There are objective realities also in these things, and a lot. Testing things is a way to understand this, in time, as going to every plane and visit every "sphere". It requires a lot of effort, but there are not only subjective things to behold. As for "science" not be able to prove anything: the small part of "scientific" people that try to approach the thing testing this or that anyway don't like to do this or that. They like only to go on a direction and then mistake the X with the Y, thinking they understood the truth, whatever that means, knowing only a part of the whole. Same mistake done by religion in the past, only with a different point to start from. The approach is totally different, practice becomes the same, in the end.

Anyway at last you have a good "view" of the experience. It was much worser if you thought what you saw as empirical evidence of something.

As far as my experiencing a "fase",.... during the year that this experience has been occurring, the experience has not been at a standstill, it has been progressing forward as I'm able to handle it. And yes, in time I will have better control over it and no, the experience is not controlling me, although it seems from your response that you're experience "controlled" you! I'm sorry about that! Many people can't gauge how to view my experience, because it is unusual and not the norm and my reason for posting in this forum was to see if other people have had the same experience & to compare notes....if you will!

Also if you don't understanding it you are being controlled by what is happening to you. It is all written in what you have said till now. Everybody is controlled by the experience at first, you are not the first nor will be the last. I was controlled? Sure I was. Until you will not understand it you will be too, believe what I say or not.

As far as "not knowing what's around me"......I'd be willing to bet the farm that I have a pretty good idea of what's around me......I can see it when my eyes are closed......remember! As I've stated before....I have no idea what your negative experience was and it obviously left a definitive impression on you. Hopefully, you'll be able to transcend it....
Take care.....[/i]

So, tell me what's around you? I'm curious. You don't test it, you don't acknowledge from where what you "see" comes from. You don't try to ascertain the objectivity or the "plane" the things are from. You can believe all these things unnecessary, maybe, but yet, we return at the same question: will you have a stranger enter your house without knowing who he/she is? I think not. Then why you are doing the same here? Do you think that just because these "things" are not physical they are uneventful?

Anyway sorry if I replied to this matter. I know that it is difficult to talk of these things in internet. I shouldn't have. It is only that I know where these things can bring one if not controlled and I wanted to give you an advice. Take it for what it is or discard it fully.

Best regards,
Selea.

[Annika]

Selea....
Possibly your response was good intentioned, but I think that all you've done is attempt to spread fear.....fear of the unknown, fear of the known, fear of other beings in creation and to spread a certain amount of negativity.
I don't live in fear anymore & haven't for awhile....it's nonproductive! As I have previously stated, I have no idea what your experience has been and you haven't elaborated on it, so we are left with conjecture!
Your responses seem nonsensical....so either your comprehension or knowledge is limited.....in any event, there have been plenty of other people who have responded and given very valid suggestions. There are some really knowledgeable people on this forum and I appreciate their input immensely!
As far as taking things personally.....your attack on me was personal and I defended myself.
So, let's agree to disagree.....if I'm in need of any additional information from you, I'll contact you!
Thank you

[sola~]

following traditional beliefs that the third eye chakra is what allows one to view the astral I would say you should work on how to close it.. as maybe the problem is it is open too much, however I don't really know much about chakras. Either way I believe it is something that you can control yourself and not something that doesn't have an "off" switch.

[Selea]

Selea....
Possibly your response was good intentioned, but I think that all you've done is attempt to spread fear.....fear of the unknown, fear of the known, fear of other beings in creation and to spread a certain amount of negativity.

Think what you want, I don't care. However you have not replied to my question, that was the only thing important of all the message. You only concerned yourself with petty a petty ego battle and discarded the most important part, namely: what it is that you "see"?

I've never brought you down, I never instilled you fear. I only told you to be attentive and not be controlled by the experience.

I don't live in fear anymore & haven't for awhile....it's nonproductive! As I have previously stated, I have no idea what your experience has been and you haven't elaborated on it, so we are left with conjecture!

Listen. I never feared anything in all my life. I never told you that you should have fear. I only told you to try to understand what you are "seeing". What this does have to do with fear? Having no fear and being controlled are two separate things, believe it or not. You can think that what I say is only conjecture if that does good to you at this moment. I only told you a thing that maybe one day you will understand, maybe not.

Your responses seem nonsensical....so either your comprehension or knowledge is limited.....in any event, there have been plenty of other people who have responded and given very valid suggestions. There are some really knowledgeable people on this forum and I appreciate their input immensely!

So let me guess. If people tell you you are doing all well and what you do is extremely correct then they are knowlegeable. If instead someone else elaborates clearly why you are putting yourself open to trouble but his point of view doesn't coincide with what you think it means that this person is an idiot. Good to know.

Sorry, no, you haven't a problem of ego brought upon you by the experience, you are right. I was wrong, you see. What I told you are all lies.

As far as taking things personally.....your attack on me was personal and I defended myself.

I never attacked you personally. This is how you see it. I only told you that I know the trouble one is open to in these moments. I told you that it's better to learn to control and test what one sees. You said to me that you know perfectly what you are "seeing". Yet it seems to me that you didn't reply to my question on what exactly what you "see" is.

Why people cannot go beyond these little things sometimes and focus on objective things instead of taking everything as a personal insult to their ego?

So, let's agree to disagree.....if I'm in need of any additional information from you, I'll contact you!
Thank you [/i]

Right. Just for interest I will quote you a passage of a lecture given by the G.D. about these things. Maybe you will listen more to these people since they are more knowledgeable than me (sarcasm intended naturally).

"These natural clairvoyants are considered dangerous inasmuch that they open portals to energies far beyond their limits of control. These energies may come in forms that may be seemingly positive changes in one's life or positive growth, where in fact it is nothing more than a stumbling block that will not only affect them in years to come, but also affect those surrounding them."

Best regards,
Selea.

[Annika]

Selea....

You're really not able to let this go of this! You stated "think what you want"....but yet, you're not content to let me do just that! It seems that you have your own issues with control. You stated " Why people cannot go beyond these little things sometimes and focus on objective things instead of taking everything as a personal insult to their ego?" My response is yes Selea, why are you not able to do that?  It seems as though you've sustained a personal insult to your ego! The one fact that seems quite obvious is that you can not have anyone disagreeing with you, which is indicative of a massive EGO! So when you referred to a "petty ego battle", perhaps it was your ego that's having this battle...not mine!

If you had bothered to read "any" of my earlier posts, I've described what I see, but your ego is only seeing what it wants to see(to confirm your own belief system) and you seem to believe that you have supreme knowledge of all of creation......get over yourself and your ego...no one person knows everything! It's my belief that we all hold different pieces of the puzzle, which is one of the main reasons that forums like Astral Pulse are important!

As far as not answering questions.....what exactly was this mysterious experience that you had that was so much like mine? If it had been indeed
like mine that "you know exactly what I'm going through"....since I've already laid-bare my experience. why not elaborate on yours in your own post?

In actuality, there have been several members who have posed some serious questions about my experience...."personalreality", who I personally think is probably a genius and understands really complex areas of human consciousness ....please read some of his responses to me on the first few pages! Another person who "did not" just agree with me was "Xanth"....he has a more down-to-earth approach(obviously very well read), but still posed some important questions, and even when I had some doubts, both of these people. because they are ADULTS, were able to handle my point of view, without their ego's being threatened. "Stookie" always adds some very important down-to-earth concepts and I totally appreciate all of their contributions because they cause me to question areas of my experience and sometimes their questions open doors to a different point of view..! That's part of what this forum is about........

As far as your quote of "G.D.".....I have stated numerous times that there are positives & negatives to this experience and from my experience, there are growing pains to everything! These beings have never harmed me and they've had plenty of time and more than ample opportunity to do so. It always amazing to me that whenever you respond, you dismiss much of what I've said in other posts, as if I had never said them or you had not read them.....curious!

I've have never called you an idiot, but you've alluded that I must be one, so with this in mind....! Let me reiterate what I have said prior to this response......WE NEED TO AGREE TO DISAGREE about this! I have taken your view into consideration and that's all I'm willing to do with it! Do you understand? If I need any further assistance from you....I'll contact you!
If you have "any" common sense, you'll let this go! I have the right to incorporate ideas that personally resonate with me & "reject" ones that don't! That little idea is called "free will".....something you should allow others to use! It's fine to give cautionary warnings to someone, it is entirely another situation to attack someone for a differing point of view....which is what you've done even if you prefer to not acknowledge your actions! I would imagine, that you are like this in person, and we would obviously not have a harmonious relationship...so let's leave it as that!
Thank you

[Xanth]

C'mon folks... let's not argue please.
You don't have to agree with each other, but you do have to respect each others opinions.

Let's not continue this line of bickering. 

This thread is full of great information, it'd be a shame for a mod to lock it up due to disagreements that people couldn't get past.  :/

~Ryan

[Annika]

C'mon folks... let's not argue please.
You don't have to agree with each other, but you do have to respect each others opinions.

Let's not continue this line of bickering. 

This thread is full of great information, it'd be a shame for a mod to lock it up due to disagreements that people couldn't get past.  :/

~Ryan

Hi.....
I couldn't agree more & I won't be responding to her again!
Thank you

[Annika]

following traditional beliefs that the third eye chakra is what allows one to view the astral I would say you should work on how to close it.. as maybe the problem is it is open too much, however I don't really know much about chakras. Either way I believe it is something that you can control yourself and not something that doesn't have an "off" switch.

Hi there....

Some of the people that I've spoken to, who have spent a considerable amount of time in AP have advised that there is no shut-off for the 3rd eye chakra...sort of like a door that has been opened and can't be shut. I am getting better at controlling it, so I think there's hope for me yet!
Thanks for your response....it's appreciated!

[sola~]

Hi there....

Some of the people that I've spoken to, who have spent a considerable amount of time in AP have advised that there is no shut-off for the 3rd eye chakra...sort of like a door that has been opened and can't be shut. I am getting better at controlling it, so I think there's hope for me yet!
Thanks for your response....it's appreciated!

from what I understand.. if you stop charging it the energy center will weaken thus it will lose the effects, however you've made me interested to see if charging it really does give such effects regardless of the validity of this thread. Not that I'm saying you're lying, simply that I've yet to encounter someone with this certain specific ability so I can not say for certain it is truly possible as I'd rather not be attacked for seemingly thought of saying so as even If I were to be this now serves as a deterrent for one to do so..~

[Annika]

from what I understand.. if you stop charging it the energy center will weaken thus it will lose the effects, however you've made me interested to see if charging it really does give such effects regardless of the validity of this thread. Not that I'm saying you're lying, simply that I've yet to encounter someone with this certain specific ability so I can not say for certain it is truly possible as I'd rather not be attacked for seemingly thought of saying so as even If I were to be this now serves as a deterrent for one to do so..~

Hi Sola.....
As far as charging my energy center.....the beings that I see are able to touch me and they usually touch my chakra's and I believe it's to raise my vibrational frequency......I'm not sure if that's what you were referring to! So, for the last year, my chakra's haven't had an opportunity to weaken.....in fact, if anything, they're stronger that ever before.
Realistically, if someone had explained they're experience as I have mine, before I experienced it, I don't know if I would have believed them, so it's ok to be a nonbeliever. There are several other members of this forum who have this ability as well & a few other people that I've met outside of this forum.
I just have an issue with someone who doesn't want me to have my own point of view about an experience that I'm having....it almost seems as though my experience is being invalidated by disallowing my point of view! I appreciate the fact that you are allowing me to have my own opinion as never before......thank you!
And thanks for your input...it's appreciated!

[personalreality]

me and soli were talking about this the other day in chat.

you cannot close or turn off a chakra.  doesn't work like that.

you're chakras aren't portals that open to another dimension or something, they are energy interchange points.  they receive energy from your environment and filter it and then broadcast that info to your non-local awareness.  they also direct your energy. 

each one filters in a different way, so focusing on energizing a specific energy center will allow you to perceive through it's envioronmental filters, ie, the third eye deals with psychic vision and perception, the heart deals with feeling and emotion, the solar plexus deals with will and manifestation of the creative center the sacral chakra.  When you spend time meditating on one or more of these, you move your focus of attention to perceive more through them, thereby effecting your perception of your environment.

these energy centers are kind of like anchor points as well, they allow your awareness to stay connected to this body.  they also function as an antenna collectively.  both broadcasting and receiving input from the environment and your awareness.

think of them like muscles.  if you don't exercise them they become atrophied and less of your focus of attention moves through them.  but when you exercise them they become stronger and attract more of your awareness.  If you strengthen all of them to a point of total functionality then you will consistently perceive your reality through all of them.  this might be akin to a level of mastery, a very "advanced" sense of your reality.  congruency between what your whole being perceives and what your awareness actually receives.

[Xanth]

I actually believe that if you were able to fully close off your chakras... your physical body would cease to operate.

~Ryan

[sola~]

yeah, I should probably stop using the open/close terminology as its very misused.. and makes one think close as 0%, and open as 100% charged, when this is not the case so I'll simply use the word charged..

I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.

works for me

Hi Sola.....
As far as charging my energy center.....the beings that I see are able to touch me and they usually touch my chakra's and I believe it's to raise my vibrational frequency......I'm not sure if that's what you were referring to! So, for the last year, my chakra's haven't had an opportunity to weaken.....in fact, if anything, they're stronger that ever before.
Realistically, if someone had explained they're experience as I have mine, before I experienced it, I don't know if I would have believed them, so it's ok to be a nonbeliever. There are several other members of this forum who have this ability as well & a few other people that I've met outside of this forum.
I just have an issue with someone who doesn't want me to have my own point of view about an experience that I'm having....it almost seems as though my experience is being invalidated by disallowing my point of view! I appreciate the fact that you are allowing me to have my own opinion as never before......thank you!
And thanks for your input...it's appreciated!

I don't see why beings would want to touch you or your chakras(man that sounds dirty for some reason), anyways, you'd think they'd get bored after awhile and move on to some other random activity. It doesn't seem logical that for days random beings would be touching you for no reason, really if such is the case I would say they're subjective and you need to erase them from your mind. If you know of members that have constant astral sight of beings that like to touch them for days then I'd like to know who they are to study this touching epidemic! *softly touches your chakra*

[CFTraveler]

I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.

[Xanth]

I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.

I'd have to agree with that terminology usage.
It really does best describe what it going on with it.

~Ryan

[sola~]

well they are definitely a part of the physical body

[CFTraveler]

Hence my term 'not wholly'.   

[sola~]

Hence my term 'not wholly'.  

not holy or holey? but yes, I understand, I just don't know in what areas of consciousness they're present in also..

[CFTraveler]

wholly= completely, totally, like whole.

[sola~]

wholly= completely, totally, like whole.

yes.. I wasn't being serious.. lol, I prefer dictionary.com btw