OBE Verification Test!

[Jay12341235]

Hello, I have a simple experiment in mind. It is to see whether or not you can visit a certain place and tell me what is there. This will prove, if done correctly, that:

A. Astral projection/out of body experiences are real (this does not disprove if no one can tell me what is at the certain place)

B. You visit real places during astral projections/out of body experiences.

The test is simple. Just name the thing that is on my desk in my room that is out of the ordinary. It's not extremely odd, but most people would not have the item there.

Any takers? Below is a picture of my desk with nothing on it besides my speakers and headphones. If you need anything else for the experiment let me know. Also, be sure to tell me if you intend to try it or not. Thanks!

[personalreality]

Have you seen the "API Experiment" thread?

[Xanth]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_pulse_island/api_experiment-t31208.0.html

PR is referring to that one.

~Ryan

[Jay12341235]

Have you seen the "API Experiment" thread?

I just read it now. This is different, this is an actual physical object to be verified in the real world. I believe the "API" thread is about something formed by thought.

[Xanth]

I just read it now. This is different, this is an actual physical object to be verified in the real world. I believe the "API" thread is about something formed by thought.

Actually, we have two separate people with two separate "objects".
Bacterio's exists solely on Astral Pulse Island.
Graytraveler's object, I believe is held within his home and is a tangible physical reality object.

However, there's little reason we couldn't add a third object into the mix! 

~Ryan

[Jay12341235]

Actually, we have two separate people with two separate "objects".
Bacterio's exists solely on Astral Pulse Island.
Graytraveler's object, I believe is held within his home and is a tangible physical reality object.

However, there's little reason we couldn't add a third object into the mix! 

~Ryan

Lol that sounds good. If anyone would like to try, go right ahead.

[AstralBeginnings]

There are all sorts of issues attached with traveling to a specific location, and I personally think it helps if you actually know the place and in particularly the feel of the place / person you want to visit.  I doubt very much anyone can just say "take me that there desk from the picture" and will be in your home.  There are probably 100's of thousands of desks like that one, so why would you be taken to yours specifically?   

I'm all for experiments such as this one, however when a random internet bod asks people to verify the reality of OBE by going to his house, the chances of success are (IMHO) ridiculously small.  Verification tests are best done in closer locales and/or which the OBEer knows well so they can actually find the thing!  For example I did a verification test in my own home with my wife verifying it - I know where I live so this was a good start.

Besides, if you want to verify OBE realness, practice and have one yourself.  I promise you will never doubt their realness again.

[personalreality]

The whole idea of verification is silly to me.

I mean, this is the age old debate between mind and intuition.

We have lived our lives in mind and as soon as we get a real opportunity to trust our intuition (ie, "this is real, you are actually experiencing this") we come up with material ways to prove the immaterial.

I think a lot of it stems from misunderstandings about what AP/OBE/Phasing (whatever you call it) actually is.

Don't try to define it through logic and reason.  Skepticism is for the arena of mind, it has no use with intuition.  That is the fundamental problem people have with successful projection.  They are trying to use their logical mind to analyze and define something that comes from our other life, our intuitive, feeling life.  I for one think we've spent enough time as humans developing mind.  It's high time we start exercising intuition to restore balance.  These experiences are of the realm of imagination.  The place where logic serves little function.  What does your intuition tell you?  Do you FEEL like this is all real?  Do you REALLY FEEL like you need some physical validation?  I prefer to have faith in my experience rather than a constant need to validate it. 

[Jay12341235]

There are all sorts of issues attached with traveling to a specific location, and I personally think it helps if you actually know the place and in particularly the feel of the place / person you want to visit.  I doubt very much anyone can just say "take me that there desk from the picture" and will be in your home.  There are probably 100's of thousands of desks like that one, so why would you be taken to yours specifically?   

I'm all for experiments such as this one, however when a random internet bod asks people to verify the reality of OBE by going to his house, the chances of success are (IMHO) ridiculously small.  Verification tests are best done in closer locales and/or which the OBEer knows well so they can actually find the thing!  For example I did a verification test in my own home with my wife verifying it - I know where I live so this was a good start.

Besides, if you want to verify OBE realness, practice and have one yourself.  I promise you will never doubt their realness again.

It seems both you and the poster below you are under the assumption that I don't believe in OBE's or astrally projecting. This is quite untrue, as I have had many experiences I can not explain myself.

The test is to see if one can travel to a place that is real (defined by the physical world we see now) and verify that they have seen something that is really there. Kind of like remote viewing. I in no way doubt that you cannot OBE ( or that it's not possible).

For my sake, would you like to at least give it a try?

You have nothing to lose, it would be very interesting.

[AstralBeginnings]

The test is to see if one can travel to a place that is real (defined by the physical world we see now) and verify that they have seen something that is really there. Kind of like remote viewing. I in no way doubt that you cannot OBE ( or that it's not possible).

I have indeed traveled to a real place when OBE and I have also verified - I do not need anyone to believe me as the experience itself is verification enough for ME.  But like I said, while these kind of experiments are interesting, I think it is highly unlikely that simply by posting a picture of a desk which could be anywhere, that anyone will have success projecting there.

In Robert Petersons book "Lessons out of the body" he states the following which I have summarised into the problem headings without going into the actual text.  He uses an example where "John" but lets call him "Jay" asks him via email to verify an object in Jay's home.  The words in brackets are mine and not from the book:

*Problem 1 - I dont know where Jay lives
*Problem 2 - (Lets say Jay lives in Cleveland) How do I get to Cleveland (walk, run, fly, Teleport)?
*Problem 3 - (Lets say I decide to fly) How do I find Cleveland?
*Problem 4 - (Lets say I know Cleveland is 1000 miles west) How do I find Jay's street in Cleveland?
*Problem 5 - (Lets see I have Jays address) How do I find Jays exact House?
*Problem 6 - (Lets say I find Jays house) How do I find the desk inside the house?
*Problem 7 - There are differences between physical reality and the reality experiences when out of body (ill mention this more in a second)
*Problem 8 - If I find the desk and observe it, I am depending on memory alone (cannot takes notes) which could distort what really is seen
*Problem 9 - What constitutes as "proof"?  (how can you REALLY verify the truth?  It could be a guess or some other form of ESP etc)

Going back to problem 7 - which I think is the main problem assuming all of the other preceding ones are resolved - is that (IMO) when you are out of body, you are not wandering around the actual physical world, but a very close "replica" operating on a different level of vibration or consciousness.  This introduces reality fluctuations meaning that if the object you want me to view is a red cup, I may see it as a green vase.  This doesnt mean the experiment has failed, but highlights the problem with the differences of physical (stable) and non-physical (fluid) realities and the issue of obtaining proof.

Personally, I do (or did) understand the need for verification so I totally understand your reasons for this "test" however once you experience an OBE (you may or may not have) then the whole verification thing is meaningless because you will KNOW.

I suggest, if you are hell bent on verification, to get it yourself by conducting your own experiment in your own locale.  At the end of the day, who do you need to prove this to?  Only yourself.

To highlight this, I going to literally guess at the object - if I am right then you can see "proof" is silly because it was just a guess.  If I am wrong, well it doesnt matter because the chances of me being wrong but also succeeding in the test are also high based on the above problems, especially reality fluctuations.

I think [rubs temples and hums]...[more humming]...[oh an itch, scratch my balls]...[more humming]....AHA!! Its a blue phone.  Or is it a plant?

"

[T.L.]

It seems that some are taking it personally when asked to do a verification experiment. I'm not saying that is the case but each time someone brings it up they are chastised for doing so in some way. Personally I think it is beneficial to challenge oneself with things like this. I do agree with some of the problems highlighted. My main concern is that it has to be a place, or person that you feel connected with in some way. You don't have to know a person offline but there has to be some kind of connection with the person or place, otherwise it will fail. I can not tell you how many times I have tried to go anywhere by means of teleporting and still fail. I don't know the reason. I will end up visiting the most random places in the physical and otherwise, but if I don't end up there randomly I end up at home and I can not go anywhere else except by way of flight. There have been half successes where I was partially phased where I was and where I wanted to go and was able to see people/things at that location but I was half there and half not (really hard to explain).

I keep trying though, and I would love to give this a try if only as a challenge to myself. Another thing I agree with from beginnings is that people really are too focused on the physical/material world. I'm not sure if my perspective on things came about because of my projections or shortly before but I find the material world of no real consequence. Now obviously I have responsibilities here, and loved ones esp. my daughter but other than those things I really don't give a crap about it. I know that sort of idea sounds like it comes from some guy who is addicted to sleep and depressed, however that is not the case. I project and practice it when I have a chance or free time but no I am not laying in my room 24/7 projecting. It's just a realization of what is really important and what is not. Honestly I have the conclusion that almost everything done in the physical is of absolutely no consequence later. You can't take possessions with you when you leave, you can not in some cases I am sure even remember your physical life. Sure things like love are important but I am speaking strictly about material ideals, not emotions.

So what use is physical validation, well none really. Sure to those involved it may help, but to anyone else either it never happened, or could be imagined. With that said we can learn a lot about ourselves in the process or trying to challenge ourselves, so why not. Each time I give an experiment a shot, I learn a lesson. It's really important to keep learning, otherwise what is the point. I only wish I at least knew the exact location of this apartment the object is in, but ok why not.

[Klaxen_2008]

Was OBE verification ever officially verified scientifically? I mean did they ever actually find anyone who could do it continious? from what I have read about with tests subjects trying to verify objects and cards etc under scientific conditons, none of them seem to have suceeded.

Is this just wishful thinking?

[Xanth]

In Robert Petersons book "Lessons out of the body" he states the following which I have summarised into the problem headings without going into the actual text.  He uses an example where "John" but lets call him "Jay" asks him via email to verify an object in Jay's home.  The words in brackets are mine and not from the book:

*Problem 1 - I dont know where Jay lives
*Problem 2 - (Lets say Jay lives in Cleveland) How do I get to Cleveland (walk, run, fly, Teleport)?
*Problem 3 - (Lets say I decide to fly) How do I find Cleveland?
*Problem 4 - (Lets say I know Cleveland is 1000 miles west) How do I find Jay's street in Cleveland?
*Problem 5 - (Lets see I have Jays address) How do I find Jays exact House?
*Problem 6 - (Lets say I find Jays house) How do I find the desk inside the house?
*Problem 7 - There are differences between physical reality and the reality experiences when out of body (ill mention this more in a second)
*Problem 8 - If I find the desk and observe it, I am depending on memory alone (cannot takes notes) which could distort what really is seen
*Problem 9 - What constitutes as "proof"?  (how can you REALLY verify the truth?  It could be a guess or some other form of ESP etc)

Well, the first 6 problems are really just as single problem... and the truth is that you already subconsciously know where "Jay's" house is.
This reminds me of an episode of StarGate SG1 (season 6 or 7)... Jack gets into the puddlejumper that can skip through time, he's standing at the controls and ask "How does it know what year I want to go to?" ... Carter replies, (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember it verbatim) "It uses your own concepts of time and space to calculate it."

What you need to do is not focus on the location as much as the goal.  What do you want to achieve?  
Then just trust your subconscious to lead you to where it needs to to achieve that goal.

If you're capable of keeping your thoughts, emotions and expectations from getting in the way, you should *technically*, in theory, then be where you need to to see this object.

I guess what I'm saying here is that Robert Peterson over-complicates things.

~Ryan

[Jay12341235]

I have indeed traveled to a real place when OBE and I have also verified - I do not need anyone to believe me as the experience itself is verification enough for ME.  But like I said, while these kind of experiments are interesting, I think it is highly unlikely that simply by posting a picture of a desk which could be anywhere, that anyone will have success projecting there.

In Robert Petersons book "Lessons out of the body" he states the following which I have summarised into the problem headings without going into the actual text.  He uses an example where "John" but lets call him "Jay" asks him via email to verify an object in Jay's home.  The words in brackets are mine and not from the book:

*Problem 1 - I dont know where Jay lives
*Problem 2 - (Lets say Jay lives in Cleveland) How do I get to Cleveland (walk, run, fly, Teleport)?
*Problem 3 - (Lets say I decide to fly) How do I find Cleveland?
*Problem 4 - (Lets say I know Cleveland is 1000 miles west) How do I find Jay's street in Cleveland?
*Problem 5 - (Lets see I have Jays address) How do I find Jays exact House?
*Problem 6 - (Lets say I find Jays house) How do I find the desk inside the house?
*Problem 7 - There are differences between physical reality and the reality experiences when out of body (ill mention this more in a second)
*Problem 8 - If I find the desk and observe it, I am depending on memory alone (cannot takes notes) which could distort what really is seen
*Problem 9 - What constitutes as "proof"?  (how can you REALLY verify the truth?  It could be a guess or some other form of ESP etc)

Going back to problem 7 - which I think is the main problem assuming all of the other preceding ones are resolved - is that (IMO) when you are out of body, you are not wandering around the actual physical world, but a very close "replica" operating on a different level of vibration or consciousness.  This introduces reality fluctuations meaning that if the object you want me to view is a red cup, I may see it as a green vase.  This doesnt mean the experiment has failed, but highlights the problem with the differences of physical (stable) and non-physical (fluid) realities and the issue of obtaining proof.

Personally, I do (or did) understand the need for verification so I totally understand your reasons for this "test" however once you experience an OBE (you may or may not have) then the whole verification thing is meaningless because you will KNOW.

I suggest, if you are hell bent on verification, to get it yourself by conducting your own experiment in your own locale.  At the end of the day, who do you need to prove this to?  Only yourself.

To highlight this, I going to literally guess at the object - if I am right then you can see "proof" is silly because it was just a guess.  If I am wrong, well it doesnt matter because the chances of me being wrong but also succeeding in the test are also high based on the above problems, especially reality fluctuations.

I think [rubs temples and hums]...[more humming]...[oh an itch, scratch my balls]...[more humming]....AHA!! Its a blue phone.  Or is it a plant?

"

I'm not really bent on it, it's just interesting. Even though the points you made were very good, it'd still be cool if some of you tried it.

[AstralBeginnings]

If you're capable of keeping your thoughts, emotions and expectations from getting in the way, you should *technically*, in theory, then be where you need to to see this object.

I think I disagree with this.  Why "technically" should you get to where you need to be?  You say subconsciously I already know where Jay lives - how is this the case?  These questions arent a "bitchy" response or anything, I genuinely dont know the answers and would like to hear your views. 

Also, I read somewhere (cant remember where but may also be Robert Peterson) that alot of scientifically tested verifications fail to provide accurate results - one example was a guy who had to verify an object in an adjoining room (an American Flag).  When he returned back to body, he drew a rectangle with a box in the top left.  Obviously this represents the US flag which is a successful verification, however the US flag is one of the most recognizable visual objects in the world, yet this experienced projector could not "see" it clearly and did not know it was the USA flag.  This shows the differences between physical and non-physical perception.

And lets not forget, when we have an OBE/AP we do not use physical eyes, and therefore our vision is not limited to the specific workings of a physical eye.  When we use physical eyes to look at something, the same thing happens EVERY time - light travels, hits the eye, the eye submits signal to the brain etc etc - like a machine.  What happens when we view something with non-physical eyes?  Nobody knows!  There is nothing physical to dissect and work out how it works.  So even if we do get into the exact location (which I still dont think would be easy unless its a person or a location we know), the test would still "fail" because the object seen may appear different to physical reality.

Still, its a great test and I hope people do try it - I just wouldnt count this kind of thing as "proof" because either a right or a wrong guess could be achieved in many ways and even a wrong guess could actually be a successful verification but with the object perceived differently, such as the USA flag example above.

[Xanth]

I think I disagree with this.  Why "technically" should you get to where you need to be?  You say subconsciously I already know where Jay lives - how is this the case?  These questions arent a "bitchy" response or anything, I genuinely dont know the answers and would like to hear your views.

hehe no worries. 
There are reports from a lot of people (for the sake of the discussion, we'll just zero in on Robert Monroe) where he has gone to people's houses which he didn't know where they were.
I explained it in my post above...

This reminds me of an episode of StarGate SG1 (season 6 or 7)... Jack gets into the puddlejumper that can skip through time, he's standing at the controls and ask "How does it know what year I want to go to?" ... Carter replies, (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember it verbatim) "It uses your own concepts of time and space to calculate it."

It's that concept of "allowing your subconscious" to move you to where you need to be that is the key.
You don't need to know where "Jay" lives, because subconsciously you'll move towards the target naturally. 

Also, I read somewhere (cant remember where but may also be Robert Peterson) that alot of scientifically tested verifications fail to provide accurate results - one example was a guy who had to verify an object in an adjoining room (an American Flag).  When he returned back to body, he drew a rectangle with a box in the top left.  Obviously this represents the US flag which is a successful verification, however the US flag is one of the most recognizable visual objects in the world, yet this experienced projector could not "see" it clearly and did not know it was the USA flag.  This shows the differences between physical and non-physical perception.

I'm not sure that I'd describe that implicitly as the "difference between physical and non-physical perception".
There are a lot of factors at work here.  More than just simple perception.

And lets not forget, when we have an OBE/AP we do not use physical eyes, and therefore our vision is not limited to the specific workings of a physical eye.  When we use physical eyes to look at something, the same thing happens EVERY time - light travels, hits the eye, the eye submits signal to the brain etc etc - like a machine.  What happens when we view something with non-physical eyes?  Nobody knows!  There is nothing physical to dissect and work out how it works.  So even if we do get into the exact location (which I still dont think would be easy unless its a person or a location we know), the test would still "fail" because the object seen may appear different to physical reality.

I think it all comes down to "expectations".
If you think that the object you're searching for *MIGHT* be different... then you're not going to see it exactly how it is. 
I think that "perception" on the non-physical equals what you see + what you expect to see.

There's also the issue of "memory" when one comes back from a Projection.
We all know that it's much like coming out of a dream... whereby you start to forget the fine details as soon as your physical eyes open.

I think these two issues played a big part in why the guy in your example couldn't see the flag for exactly what it was.

Still, its a great test and I hope people do try it - I just wouldnt count this kind of thing as "proof" because either a right or a wrong guess could be achieved in many ways and even a wrong guess could actually be a successful verification but with the object perceived differently, such as the USA flag example above.

Oh I agree 100%.
It's not something I'm too terribly interested in personally, but I would still enjoy hearing other people's results.

~Ryan

[phxsun]

I have a friend who has a little boy spirit from the 1800 that stays with her all the time. Other people have asked her who the little boy is that is with her in her car, so others can see him as well. He has told her that he plans on staying with her until she is ready to go with him. I think that is prof enough for me.

daniel

[Xanth]

I have a friend who has a little boy spirit from the 1800 that stays with her all the time. Other people have asked her who the little boy is that is with her in her car, so others can see him as well. He has told her that he plans on staying with her until she is ready to go with him. I think that is prof enough for me.

daniel

My friends and I when we go camping like to tell ghost stories.
Anyways, one of my friends told a story where she was driving down one of main roads here in town and in the backseat of her car appeared this little girl.
She turned around and the little girl was gone!
I trust my friends implicitly, and I know she wasn't kidding. 

For me, that's just one of MANY stories/experiences that, as you said, are proof enough for me. 

~Ryan

[AstralBeginnings]

For me, that's just one of MANY stories/experiences that, as you said, are proof enough for me. 

~Ryan

Definately. 

While I may have "believed" in OBE's and various other things, it wasnt until I experienced it that I knew beyond all doubt.  I think if people are wondering if their OBE was real, then it possibly wasnt an OBE!  For me, there is no mistaking the feeling.  Before I experienced OBE's I may also have posted a thread like this asking for someone to prove it to me, however now I dont need them to.  Stories definitely create belief, but proof only comes from personal experience in things like this (non-physical things), in my opinion.

[jub jub]

I'll give it a shot. 

[Jay12341235]

I think I disagree with this.  Why "technically" should you get to where you need to be?  You say subconsciously I already know where Jay lives - how is this the case?  These questions arent a "bitchy" response or anything, I genuinely dont know the answers and would like to hear your views. 

Also, I read somewhere (cant remember where but may also be Robert Peterson) that alot of scientifically tested verifications fail to provide accurate results - one example was a guy who had to verify an object in an adjoining room (an American Flag).  When he returned back to body, he drew a rectangle with a box in the top left.  Obviously this represents the US flag which is a successful verification, however the US flag is one of the most recognizable visual objects in the world, yet this experienced projector could not "see" it clearly and did not know it was the USA flag.  This shows the differences between physical and non-physical perception.

And lets not forget, when we have an OBE/AP we do not use physical eyes, and therefore our vision is not limited to the specific workings of a physical eye.  When we use physical eyes to look at something, the same thing happens EVERY time - light travels, hits the eye, the eye submits signal to the brain etc etc - like a machine.  What happens when we view something with non-physical eyes?  Nobody knows!  There is nothing physical to dissect and work out how it works.  So even if we do get into the exact location (which I still dont think would be easy unless its a person or a location we know), the test would still "fail" because the object seen may appear different to physical reality.

Still, its a great test and I hope people do try it - I just wouldnt count this kind of thing as "proof" because either a right or a wrong guess could be achieved in many ways and even a wrong guess could actually be a successful verification but with the object perceived differently, such as the USA flag example above.

The experiment asks for someone to try it, not to theorize why it would be incorrect. That is the point of the experiment. I would like it if you, or anyone, gave it a try just to give a shot at it. There's no punishment for being wrong, but we get nowhere if all we do is try to disprove it with words.

[Jay12341235]

I have a friend who has a little boy spirit from the 1800 that stays with her all the time. Other people have asked her who the little boy is that is with her in her car, so others can see him as well. He has told her that he plans on staying with her until she is ready to go with him. I think that is prof enough for me.

daniel

That does not have anything to do with this experiment at all. The experiment is to see if someone can view on object that is really there while projecting/OBEing. This is not to prove whether ghosts exists or astral projecting or OBEs exist.

[David Warner]

Jay12341235,


I skimmed through this discussion and from what I have picked-up is just this. You are trying to prove if the OBE is mental or a tangible reality by having validity of proof for yourself. I have spent years proving if this is real or not and my final conclusion is "yes".

How I arrived to this point is by experimentations I did myself, or by accidental OBE's that provided proof through precognitive experiences. Now, I am not one to jump on the bandwagon of the first experience and call it *validation* - that just does not work in my book. I spent roughly three years (2005-2008) on OBE validations and the breakdown is as followed:

Validations: 27 total
Synchronities: 15
Coincidence: 20

The data can be obtained from my web site: www.invisiblelight.us

Some validations took months to work on and others came by accident. The highest level of validations I can tell you is that the one's that came by accident were not forced. They all were natural w/o *trying to prove* OBE existence. Bringing other people in to provide you with proof is very difficult and complex. Remember that time is non-existent too. So you can or can't expect your results drop of the hat. I might be able to project to your computer desk, see objects a week or months later.

Now, I am not trying to persuade you not to take part in these experiments.. go for it. You will find long term and with patience that the validations will come to you w/o having other people do the work for you. Everyone wants the answer *now* if this is real or not. Give me the proof... if you want the proof chase it down but realize it will materialize for you when it is time.

Hope this helps.

DW

[personalreality]

tvos,

do you have a job that involves a lot of data or research or analysis or something?

you seem to be very "organized" and good at providing data. 

i like it.

[David Warner]

I am a computer technician if that means anything..

But honestly, when I started out organizing the data, I wanted to see a (clear) picture where I was with this all. I was tired of throwing darts and missing that it made more sense to put some sort of tracking to see where eveything fell.

I have mentioned this in previous posts before but here is a better idea of tracking that would be good for other to incorporate into their daily OBE lives. This has been on-going since 2005

This shows my best days for project. Monday and Friday.

WeekDay Statistics   
   
Sunday              53
Monday              66
Tuesday   47
Wednesday   34
Thursday   34
Friday   56
Saturday   34
   
Total   324
   
Times of *when* my OBES occur
   
Time Statistics   Sub-Total
   
Morning   
12:00 AM - 12:59 AM   1
1:00 AM - 1:59 AM   1
2:00 AM - 2:59 AM   9
3:00 AM - 3:59 AM   15
4:00 AM - 4:59 AM   8
5:00 AM - 5:59 AM   11
6:00 AM - 6:59 AM   19
7:00 AM - 7:59 AM   28
8:00 AM - 8:59 AM   45
9:00 AM - 9:59 AM   65
10:00 AM - 10:59 AM   58
11:00 AM - 11:59 AM   55
   
Total   315
   
Afternoon   
12:00 PM - 12:59 PM   32
1:00 PM - 1:59 PM   16
2:00 PM - 2:59 PM   5
3:00 PM - 3:59 PM   0
4:00 PM - 4:59 PM   3
5:00 PM - 5:59 PM   0
6:00 PM - 6:59 PM   0
7:00 PM - 7:59 PM   2
8:00 PM - 8:59 PM   2
9:00 PM - 9:59 PM   0
10:00 PM - 10:59 PM   0
11:00 PM - 11:59 PM   0
   
Total   60
   
How many OBES per year since 2005. Now, I have been projecting since 1987 w/o fail but never recorded the data like I do now. On the average, I would say that I have been out-of-body over 2,000 + times in my life.

Yearly Statistics   Total
   
2005   61
2006   113
2007   102
2008   88
2009   73
2010   25

The next one is important.

Experience Types

MISC (Dream with OBE)
40   

Dream to OBE
182   

False Awakening
114   

Full Wide Awake OBE
167


Now, I know that this data is used for tracking and not relevant to validations.. But it is because you will start to see trends along the way, methods to help better assist with reaching those validations etc.

I will pull a few pages from my book that I am working on right now "Invisible Light" for this thread group to read up on. To show that these validations are real and not just mind tricks. There is so many times that these sort of experiences happen I can finally say and back this up with my data I have recorded vs heresy.

Chapter IV

In many out-of-body experiences of the near-death patients it has been confirmed that the events reported is shifting in and out of conscious physical awareness. When the patient who flat lines  on the operating table for 30 seconds in their experience spiritual time does not exist, it is in the now stand still, past, present, future exist all at once. When the patient returns to the physical time orientates itself and is now in synchronization to what we are accustomed to. 

It’s truly a difficult feeling to grasp and what the spiritual side feels like while we are so chained to physical time. The more one does project, learn about the trance state and can shift their conscious into the soul body, the feeling is easier to understand and how time does not exist. Conducting experiments with audio and video equipment is just another way to give the researcher a better idea and understanding what the differences are.

On October  22, 2007 a few twenty years later.. I conducted another video experiment. This time I was successful without having to face the same challenges that I did back in 1993. I still had a few trials with failed attempts with capturing the OBE but it didn’t take me long to nail the recording and experience. What was interesting in this experience is that it produced couple of validations and how my three Scottish terrier dogs connected with me during the OBE.

Here is the experience
Date: October  22, 2007
Time:  10:15 AM – 10:20 AM
Subject:  The Bravest Face

OBE Journal (Validation)
 
I started tracking validations, coincidences, and synchronicities since July 14, 2005 based on my out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Here are the results as of October  23, 2007—broken down into three categories:
Classification Type
Sub-Total
 
 
Validation
26
Synchronicity
14
Coincidence
16
 
Total
56

This is not the first time that I have had an out-of-body experience, which validates physical and spiritual correlation. In this particular experience there is no question or doubt that can be argued as “coincidence”. With careful precision of video and audio recording, there is honesty and allowing the experience to naturally occur. My detailed accounts are hard to ignore or suggest that it’s a brain fabrication of just lucky odds.
Many people that I communicate with about the research of OBEs ask if our consciousness survives physical death. I find that if we try to put the scientific “prove it to me” hat on and ask for proof, when the skeptic should be proving it for one's self. Being open with a sincere heart and doing the work one's self is the key to success that will unlock that question. I have invested over twenty years to this research and state with confidence we will survive physical death.

But again I stress to the reader, skeptic, beginner to advanced projectionist you have to do the work yourself and give it fairness. By the way, just having one or two experiences will not cut it and is not fair. Produce the OBE a couple hundred times and experiment, record the data and statistically track it. Once you give it fairness but also still challenge it as well – you will start to see the needle pointing more towards the validation of life after death survival.

October  2007 had not been the greatest for projecting in comparison to last year. I was able to project twenty five times in October  2006 and, this October , I was barely able to pull three OBEs out of the hat. There has been a lack of energy, due to changes in work with computer upgrades and recovering from this last summer’s house projects.
No matter how many experiences one has, quality rules over quantity. In this experience that I will share, I was able to video tape, communicate with my three Scottish Terriers “Leroy Brown, Kya, and Spirit” and obtain an OBE precognitive validation.

A few weeks ago, I asked for a sign, turning inward with prayer and honesty. I didn’t go looking for the sign, as it arrived unconditional this month and found me. The first sign occurred where my wife, Katie, and I met a couple attending a Christian workshop where there were metaphysical instructors. The second sign arrived when Katie and I were driving with the GPS guide “Tom Tom” to the metaphysical instructor’s home address. We didn’t arrive at the location intended, but at a foster care home called St. John’s in Grand Rapids, Michigan. My wife had a volunteer assignment a week before at St. John’s home but unfortunately this assignment was cancelled. We eventually found the metaphysical instructor's home, just a quarter mile down the road in a condominium park ironically having the same street name.

The sign that occurred this morning was an incredible gift and definitely left me stunned—receiving validation. A few days prior to this OBE, I was doing a radio interview on a show called APSR Productions and talking with the interviewer, 'Old Hip'. The question was asked from 'Old Hip' about videotaping your physical body during an OBE and how animals would respond. I explained to the radio host from past OBEs, I found on various occasions that my dogs would pick-up on my presence. They would start to bark and eventually this would lead to me being pulled back to the physical body.

So, this morning, I awakened early at 7:30AM to be with my wife, Katie, and see her off to work. It’s been a long time since I have been up early and watching my wife leave for work. I decided to conduct this experiment with the video camera recorder aimed at my bed and inviting my Scottish terrier dog, 'Leroy Brown', to snooze with me while trying to achieve the OBE. I actually had no faith that anything would come of this since my energy was low and the lack of OBEs, this month, were bleak.

I went back to bed at 8:30AM and awakened at 10:24AM after a couple hours of sleeping. There were various times I would awake but immediately fall back to sleep. When the OBE false awakening finally occurred I didn’t realize that I had projected. My thoughts at the time were sluggish, but very clear, conscious and alert. Upon awakening I noticed Leroy moving closer to me and I started to pet him and rub his tummy. I felt uncomfortable with Leroy because he was rolling around, moving closer and I did not want to rub any lower. In one motion, I rose to my feet with Leroy noticing the other two dogs, Kya and Spirit, running ahead of me. All three dogs ran up the stairs from our basement bedroom into the front living room.

I followed the dogs and when I arrived immediately, I noticed one of the dogs, Spirit, urinated on the front living room carpet, which I wasn’t too happy about. I let the dogs out for a bathroom break and to play in the backyard. When looking outside the house, it was raining, damp, cold, overcast and gloomy.

Turning away from the doorway, I traveled back into the kitchen looking at the dinner table. I was looking at my work schedule with days scribbled signifying being checked off. One particular day that I was looking at and thought to be the current day showed 3:00PM with writing underneath. I looked away from the paper and looked back at it still showing 3:00PM.
It still didn’t register that I was out of body nor did I question my current status. I continued into the front living room watching the TV. I saw a stunt man sky-diving and landing on a jumbo jet cock-pit. Still, I didn’t think much of it and made my way downstairs to the front door. Opening up the door and looking outside, I admired the beauty of the morning day, then immediately losing consciousness returning back to the body.

When I had awakened, I knew that I had projected, but took a little awhile to process the information. I narrated the experience while the video camera was still rolling and also to mp3 audio using the pocket PC. Along with checking on the dogs, Kya and Spirit, they were in the kennel and there were no signs of accidents. Last, it wasn’t raining outside—only a bright sunny October  morning with slight cloud coverage.

I found it interesting how my three Scottish terriers reacted during this experiment, especially, when no sounds were present inside or outside the house to arouse them. I reviewed the video tape, which I’ve documented the sequence of events below as followed:

Video Camera Taping Sequence:
Time
Description

08:30AM - 10:16AM
Drifted to sleep in the basement bedroom along with Leroy Brown, my Scottish Terrier dog.

10:16AM - 10:18AM
The first two minutes, no sounds are heard in the house or outside, only snoring at times.

10:18:05AM
Leroy Brown briefly awakens and returns back to sleep.

10:18:15AM
Ten seconds later, noises can be heard from the upstairs. The two dogs, Kya and Spirit, can be heard rattling the cage.

10:18:32AM
Leroy Brown finally wakes up from the other two dog’s rattling the cage.

10:18:46AM
My head moves slightly.

10:19:12AM - 10:26AM
Awakened and narrated the OBE during video recording.

I tried once again going back to sleep and was able to project, but out of a dream becoming fully conscious of the spiritual world. In this particular experience my three Scottish Terrier dogs were not present. Geographically, I found myself riding down the street in a car, stopping at the neighbor’s home next door to my parents 200 miles from my current home. I opened the door, let myself into the home and became conscious while looking at my hands, then losing it and returning back to the physical. Reviewing the video for this run, Leroy kept sleeping and the other two, Kya and Spirit, were quiet with no noises in the house.

October  24, 2007 - The next morning, I conducted the same experiment with Leroy on the bed and the two dogs, Kya and Spirit, upstairs in the kennel. Videotaping once again, I was trying to place my consciousness into the trance state for this session. I drifted in and out of consciousness, but for the most part the two dogs upstairs kept rattling the cage—making it difficult for me to enter the trance state.

After a couple hours, I gave up trying to project because the dogs were making too much noise upstairs, rattling the cage. I decided to separate the two dogs from each other—wanting to have Spirit upstairs and Kya downstairs. When I opened the door to the kennel and only trying to let Kya out, Spirit immediately pushed herself through the door and escaped. Now, both Kya and Spirit were running in the house away from me while I started to chase after them.

Kya and Spirit ran from the upstairs to the downstairs with me trailing five seconds behind. When I finally reached the bottom of the steps into the basement, I looked towards my left and saw the two dogs cornered. Immediately I noticed that Spirit urinated on the carpeted floor. Frozen with chills running down my spine, I remembered in the OBE, Spirit urinating on the floor. I walked up the steps to the front door opening to find that it was raining outside just like in the OBE—leaving me stunned and in complete awe, silently praying to God and giving praise for showing me this validation!

Key Findings & Comparisons of Physical & Spiritual Validation

Leroy, Kya, and Spirit did not bark during the OBE, but acknowledged a presence on video and audio recording.

Dogs ran up / down the stairs.

Spirit urinating on the carpet floor during the OBE.
The weather outside was raining during the OBE.

Second time that I projected, the dogs were not in the OBE or in contact with me.

Viewing the work schedule and reading the numbers which didn’t change. The numbers remained static.

Five minutes before monitoring Leroy’s, there were no sounds inside or outside the house.

Time and duration of the OBE were in close approximation of each other.

The OBE was natural, not controlled scientifically and false awakening.

The OBE was precognitive, catching a brief window into the future.

Fact – record keeping, being consistent, open, and honesty has proven results for past validations. This experience was not coincidence due to past proven record keeping.

--- End of Experience


The end result is this: if you take the time, develop some sort of tracking scheme, do it whole heartedly and not skew or contaminate your results - it will come. Might take some time but it will present itself, be very hard to ignore it's legitimacy after so many occurences. It also shows too in the more one projects, you will see the same patterns, actions and how things are carried out. In other words, create a test in the astral world and execute it 10 times - then record the data to see what happened each time.

Also, just projecting in itself, getting use to the otherside and how it operates is something else. You really start to learn about the fluidity, workings and mechanics. You won't see random occurrences but static. These all count towards validations.

So in a nutshell Jay12341235 and others - do this work and then come back to me in a few years and tell me how this has helped. I did my research and work - now its your turn!

DW