I fail to understand why I cannot phase

[Psilocybillus]

Hello, all. I have been creeping around these forums for quite some time and the time has come for me to ask some questions. Otherwise, how will I get better  

Anyways, phasing appeals to me because I have a very vivid imagination. Usually, when I try to phase my run-down involves me either Juggling a football (soccer) ball or jumping on a trampoline. And so when I practice I will lay down on my bed. I will get rid of all the itches in all my funky areas and I will quench my thirst and do what needs to be done. Then I just starting imagining myself doing one of the two run-downs stated. And I will immerse all of my senses. I can feel the ball hit my foot, I can taste the salt in my sweat, I can smell the grass and my armpits (only if my shirt is off  ), I can see everything that I would normally see, and I can hear the ball hit my foot, the birds chirping, and the wind blowing. I'm doing this correctly, right?

I ask because I can go up to 15, 20, 25 minutes without anything happening. It's supposed to become like the physical world, right? It's supposed to feel like I'm actually in my front yard on a Saturday morning and not like a conscious imagination? Well this never happens! What gives? I know that the first few times A person can have the "holy crap I'm not making this up" realization as Frank stated, but it never happens to me! More practice, I guess?

Also, does it matter if I imagine myself in third person or first person. I have an easier time imagining myself in third person and it really takes some effort on my part to visualize myself in the first person. Out of curiosity, what happens if I imagine someone else?

Thanks, guys and gals.

[Xanth]

Hi there Psilocybillus

Give the following three threads a quick read.
They posts in question were written by Frank, our Phasing specialist who is no longer with us on the forums anymore.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/use_of_imagination-t19304.0.html;msg166231#msg166231
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/good_rundown-t19647.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/in_the_room_away_from_the_body_yet_within_myself-t19403.0.html;msg166819#msg166819

Lemme know if you have any other questions after reading those.

~Ryan

[solarity]

I ask because I can go up to 15, 20, 25 minutes without anything happening. It's supposed to become like the physical world, right? It's supposed to feel like I'm actually in my front yard on a Saturday morning and not like a conscious imagination? Well this never happens! What gives? I know that the first few times A person can have the "holy crap I'm not making this up" realization as Frank stated, but it never happens to me! More practice, I guess?

Since you're interested in frank sometimes it would take him an hour or more even after all the experience he had to reach the mental state needed in order to phase. There actually was some one who had success phasing into f2oC by jumping on a trampoline, I believe it was Selski.

[CFTraveler]

She's probably the best phaser I know.  Not only is she fast, she is very discerning and 'aware' of every little thing in her nonphysical adventures.

[Tongo]

so how long does it take the average phaser to get to the right state?

[solarity]

so how long does it take the average phaser to get to the right state?

however long it takes, I can safely that from everything I've read it can from 5 minutes or so up to 2 hours and sometimes they can't even do it that day even if they're very experienced. So I would say it depends on the person at that time and the conditions set at that moment. I would in the end not even count time as a factor for it has no bearing on whether or not you will phase. Only the time at which you do it is reflected on your state at that moment due to your sleep cycle.

[CFTraveler]

however long it takes, I can safely that from everything I've read it can from 5 minutes or so up to 2 hours and sometimes they can't even do it that day even if they're very experienced. So I would say it depends on the person at that time and the conditions set at that moment. I would in the end not even count time as a factor for it has no bearing on whether or not you will phase. Only the time at which you do it is reflected on your state at that moment due to your sleep cycle.

I agree.

[Psilocybillus]

Hi there Psilocybillus

Give the following three threads a quick read.
They posts in question were written by Frank, our Phasing specialist who is no longer with us on the forums anymore.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/use_of_imagination-t19304.0.html;msg166231#msg166231
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/good_rundown-t19647.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/in_the_room_away_from_the_body_yet_within_myself-t19403.0.html;msg166819#msg166819

Lemme know if you have any other questions after reading those.

~Ryan

Thanks for those links  

One question: I wear glasses. Since sports are an easy run down for me to do, I usually stick with them. Here's the catch: When I play sports, I always have my glasses off. Do I have to look at things in my rundown as if I have blurry vision as I normally would or can I look with perfect vision? My blur is very hard to replicate as my eyes are on the better side of bad vision   What if I imagine myself putting in contacts and then going outside and performing the rundown?

[Bruce Wayne]

I would definitely recommend that you practice your phasing in the morning. I typically will practice phasing typically 6-7 hours into my sleep cycle. If you normally wake up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. When you go back to bed try your phasing attempt. I believe that Frank practiced his phasing in the morning. This will make your projections or phasing attempts much easier. Remember to just stay conscious and try to notice things. I often times will see little LCD screens drop down that I move my awareness towards. Projecting in the morning is so much easier.

[willowthewisp]

There's something confusing me. I thought that phasing consisted on noticing the images of the mind passively, while the rundowns Psilocybillus is describing require active imagination and a whole lot of concentration. So these are two completely different states of mind right?

"Well, nothing at first, there's not much to see really but blackness. But then, after a short while, I may see that perhaps one part of the blackness is not quite so black. Perhaps there was just a brief flash of something, then maybe a sensation of a movement somewhere else. Maybe I just heard someone call my name. Hmm, that's interesting, I might think, I wonder where that came from. But I don't get too curious I just keep noticing. I might see swirling areas of not quite so black as the rest. I might see flashes of this and that. As I am offering myself these images, my attention is steadily becoming more fixated within." (The Frank Kepple Resource)

[Xanth]

There's something confusing me. I thought that phasing consisted on noticing the images of the mind passively, while the rundowns Psilocybillus is describing require active imagination and a whole lot of concentration. So these are two completely different states of mind right?

"Well, nothing at first, there's not much to see really but blackness. But then, after a short while, I may see that perhaps one part of the blackness is not quite so black. Perhaps there was just a brief flash of something, then maybe a sensation of a movement somewhere else. Maybe I just heard someone call my name. Hmm, that's interesting, I might think, I wonder where that came from. But I don't get too curious I just keep noticing. I might see swirling areas of not quite so black as the rest. I might see flashes of this and that. As I am offering myself these images, my attention is steadily becoming more fixated within." (The Frank Kepple Resource)

Well, the general idea, as per the paragraph you quoted, is that as you're noticing, you're drawing your attention more and more into the depth of the field infront of you until that is all there is.  No physical... just blackness... you should, around that time feel a "shift" of some kind. 

[CFTraveler]

There's something confusing me. I thought that phasing consisted on noticing the images of the mind passively, while the rundowns Psilocybillus is describing require active imagination and a whole lot of concentration. So these are two completely different states of mind right?

"Well, nothing at first, there's not much to see really but blackness. But then, after a short while, I may see that perhaps one part of the blackness is not quite so black. Perhaps there was just a brief flash of something, then maybe a sensation of a movement somewhere else. Maybe I just heard someone call my name. Hmm, that's interesting, I might think, I wonder where that came from. But I don't get too curious I just keep noticing. I might see swirling areas of not quite so black as the rest. I might see flashes of this and that. As I am offering myself these images, my attention is steadily becoming more fixated within." (The Frank Kepple Resource)

Yep, with one you enter trance and use whatever comes up in front of you, and in the second type you imagine a place as you're going 'in', and then hopefully the image turns into a visual scene, or the hypnagogia will start anyway.
I'm not much for rundowns, I'd rather just wait and see what develops, but some people benefit from scene creation.