Psychological Pathologies and Meds

[personalreality]

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/09/brave-new-world-psychiatry-pushing.html

psychiatric poisons

[Stillwater]

No joke.

The pharmaceutical machine is yet another arm of corportate culture pushing half-baked products to fill every invented need.

The FDA exists in name only, more or less as a platform to claim quality on medications railroaded through testing processes.

Our society is so quick to prescribe destructive mind-altering substances, and so reluctant to explore why the issues in question exist in the first place, much less how to help the individual deal with them in a healthy and slef-empowering manner. I am not saying all paranoid schizophrenics can deal with their problems on their own, but I am saying that dumping thorazine into their blood amounts to blatant avoidance of the problem coupled with indifference to a model of psychiatric care resembling a prison.

[Capt. Picard]

I agree, especially with the whole anti-depressant medications, isnt it possible most of these people are sad for legitimate reasons and not suffering from some disorder? Oxy Codone is another perscription med that was manufactured and distributed by major pharmaceutical companies and was advertised as a non-addictive replacement to morphine. While needless to say to anyone whos known an Oxy addict, it is extremely addictive, and from what I've seen, is the most widely used drug right now (other than pot/alcohol) at least here in canada I know several people who have ruined their lives with it. And it is so common and widespread and has a huge underground market right now, even though it only enters the market through people's prescriptions and crooked doctors.

[Xanth]

It all goes back to the root of evil in our world today... $$

I believe that most of the 'bad' we see today can be traced back to $$

[grzazek]

Does ADD exist?

[Xanth]

Does ADD exist?

Some say it does... some day it doesn't.

[personalreality]

no.

aside from serious psychotic disorders (like schizophrenia and the like, though even that is not what big pharma and their drs say it is), pretty much all mental disorders are "fake" or are things that don't need medication for.  Most mental disorders, like bipolar disorder or depression or generalized anxiety disorder are all habitual behaviors.

i personally believe that many of these disorders are heavily influenced by environmental and lifestyle factors.  lifestyle-wise, our lives are very different now than human lives have ever been in our known history.  for example, no one really has to go outside and work anymore, we have the ability to remain mostly sedentary, only going out for our jobs that often times involve us being even more sedentary.  we aren't getting out in the world, moving around and "exercising" our neural chemistry.  we have created a very limited range of neural activity, that is becoming increasingly hard-wired.  we just don't get the activity that we used to and i think that has a very big impact on brain chemistry.  we also have become much more social.  we have created very complex social networks that often increase the time we spend in highly charged emotional states and we get addicted to those chemicals.  this causes us to flood our brain with overly emotional states of mind which don't always conform to "accepted healthy social behavior".  not to mention the massive amounts of money to be made by big pharma.  that kind of ties it all together.

i separate this piece because i feel like it is done intentionally, and that is the constant bombardment with electromagnetic radiation.  you know, tesla discovered that all life on earth operates within a certain frequency range of electromagnetism and when one applies the proper em field they can literally manipulate the brain chemistry of any "living creature".  Hmmm.... imagine that.  So then it seems rather convenient that world governments build things like the HAARP array that can send EM signals up into the upper atmosphere, thereby enveloping large areas of the planet with this specific frequency range.  very suspect indeed.

most, if not all of these 'mood' disorders and other non-psychotic disorders can be easily managed with proper training.  it's just a bad habit.  i know that these days neurology has crept into psychology and choked out legitimate studies of the mind, but just because they say this is all biological in nature doesn't mean it's true.  the biological observations are the cause, they are the symptom.

[Capt. Picard]

I read somewhere that ADD and ADHD are actually related to a specific genetic marker. I believe they referred to it as the "migration gene" and they say it would have rose to prominence in a time when it would have been beneficial for tribal humans to not focus on one thing too much and to be always aware and on the lookout. For this reason along with common sense, I do not consider ADD or depression etc to be real mental illnesses but the pharmaceutical companies preying on people who are sad for legitimate reasons or simply have a slightly different working mind that can often be beneficial if they reach adulthood without being drugged for years.

[personalreality]

our ultimate conclusion is the same, so kudos for us.

[DH]

no.

aside from serious psychotic disorders (like schizophrenia and the like, though even that is not what big pharma and their drs say it is), pretty much all mental disorders are "fake" or are things that don't need medication for.  Most mental disorders, like bipolar disorder or depression or generalized anxiety disorder are all habitual behaviors.

most, if not all of these 'mood' disorders and other non-psychotic disorders can be easily managed with proper training.  it's just a bad habit.  i know that these days neurology has crept into psychology and choked out legitimate studies of the mind, but just because they say this is all biological in nature doesn't mean it's true.  the biological observations are the cause, they are the symptom.

Just a bad habit?  I was very happy until my wife was killed in car wreck.  Then my world collapsed and I became super depressed.  After a year of hell I finally broke down and went to the doc who gave me an antidepressent.  It helped greatly.

I hope you never have to learn how "fake" these things are when something happens to destroy your world.

[Capt. Picard]

Thats just it, you were sad for a legitimate reason. That does not equal a psychiatric disorder, you were sad because of events in your life, which is natural way to feel if that happens to you. Going on meds is a cop out as you are not really sick, and the emotional issues will resurface eventually until they are resolved. Youre backing up what we said and then disagreeing... I should also point out that these anti-depressants are just as harmful as many street drugs and are poorly tested before reaching the market. Surely you can understand that sadness after the death of a loved one is natural. You would have a psychiatric disorder perhaps if you were not saddened by this. Think about it.

[personalreality]

let me ask you DH,

did the doctor even suggest anything besides and anti-depressant?

group counseling perhaps?

emotional coping?

how about a good spiritual practice through which you could both understand and come to terms with your loss? 

the point is that meds mask the symptom, they don't fix the problem.  sometimes people go through experiences that are debilitating and in they can't even get started in a non-pharma treatment.  this is when meds help and is the only time people should be on them.  your case is a good example.  but telling someone they have "depression" and putting them on anti-depressants for the rest of their life instead of trying to reform the habitual thoughts that lead to constant "depression".

i am sorry for your loss and want you to understand that your situation is legitimate, just like the good captain said.  but i wouldn't expect you to stay in meds for the rest of your life.  that would be masking the pain and not dealing with it, which it turn creates a whole new host of disorders. 

[DH]

Well captain, cop out?  I think not.  I guess you can call it whatever you want, you seem to think you know me and my situation in life.  But you know nothing.  After I went on the antidepressant, I stopped crying every day and stressing out and actually began to focus on learning how to cope with the devastating loss.  It was a good tool which had its place in the healing process. 

PR, I asked the doc for it after getting no relief from anything else.  He told me it would only be a temporary relief while i got it together.  He was right.  I agree there is much abuse of drugs and much greed in the pharm and medical industries, but there are also some like me who are actually helped by caring skilled helpers.

You guys make some good points, but they are hard to take seriously when you don't seem to take some of us and our experiences seriously.

[Xanth]

I know that sometimes people don't give us their full life story here on the Pulse.

Especially in regards to sensitive personal things such as this.
Sometimes, some things are just better left alone.  

DH, if you wish you have this continued, please do so... otherwise, we'll just let this particular, personalized subject die.

[DH]

Fine, but sometimes altehttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?action=post;topic=31963.0;num_replies=13rnative viewpoints are don't hurt and i seem to be in the minority here.

[DH]

Wow don't know what happened to that last post, but  I tried to say:

Fine, but sometimes alternative viewpoints don't hurt and I seem to be in the minority here.

[CFTraveler]

Wow don't know what happened to that last post, but  I tried to say:

Fine, but sometimes alternative viewpoints don't hurt and I seem to be in the minority here.

FWIW, I agree with you.  It's a silent minority.

[Capt. Picard]

I apologize if I came off as offensive, but this has nothing to do with your experiences, its an obvious fact, being sad is not a psychiatric disorder. There are illegal drugs such as marijuana and MDMA which are less hamrful and more effective in overcoming depression most of the time then anti-depressants, but I bet you never thought if using those. Im ending this discussion because you seem to be emotionally compromised when discussing this issue. I won't even post the other half of this post since you seem to be so bothered by us discussing something you brought into the thread. Its too easy to just go on drugs to solve your problems, just imagine if everyone who has had a lost did that, civilization would collapse in no time.

[personalreality]

I think the distinction between lacking compassion and scientific neutrality should be noted.

No one is against you here DH.  In fact we have all said that in acute situations medication is helpful.  You experienced a trauma, bottom line.  That's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about diagnosis of long term mental conditions like depression or generalize anxiety disorder.  The point is that the medical/psychological/psychiatric community is more interested in giving bunk diagnoses for the sake of pharmacological profit rather than the health and well being of the patient.  Beyond that, I'm also saying that these chronic diagnoses are bull.  There is an epidemic of "victim consciousness" (similar to external locus of control) in the world today.  It's much easier to blame the world/God/disease/etc. for your problems than take responsibility for your poor behavioral habits.  SO for someone like you DH, you're a legitimate victim of a corrupted system of mental health.  You experienced a legitimate trauma and instead of providing you with tools for coping and meaning making, they give you drugs.  You're collateral damage.  Someone who really needs help but only gets something to mask the pain.  Most others are frauds.  They like the idea of being able to blame how sh*tty of a person they are on a mental disorder, it becomes a cop out. 

before you respond, if you're going to, please pay attention to what i said in regards to you.  ultimately, the point here is that the world of psychology is broken and is perpetuating unnecessary diagnosis of what are (IMO) 'fake' diseases and furthermore, it's getting people addicted to medications that are HORRIBLE for their health (these drugs aren't made to help you, they're made to break you) and giving people just another in a long list of excuses for being an assh0le.

[DH]

FWIW, I agree with you.  It's a silent minority.

Muchas gracias

[CFTraveler]

Muchas gracias

Spell it out.  What do you mean?

[DH]

Spell it out.  What do you mean?

That's Spanish for "Thanks a lot!" 

[CFTraveler]

Sorry.  For some reason I thought it was someone else who asked it. 
De nada.
Do you speak spanish?

[DH]

Sorry.  For some reason I thought it was someone else who asked it. 
De nada.
Do you speak spanish?

Un poco