Another 'Phasing' question(s)

[Firmitas]

Hi everyone,
I apologize for the frequent questions. Even though I just joined this forum =\

Anyway, As mentioned before in a previous post, I just started the phasing process and everything about this process seems to make perfect sense to me. Of course this is still a sense of doubt in my mind simply because I have yet to experience it.
There are 2 concerns on my mind,

1 is that I read some of Frank's posts about phasing (thank you Xanth for posting them ) and about the "consciousness cone". The bottom of the cone being your C1 and the top being the astral border. I have been listening to monroe's Gateway Experience CD's (only track cd 1 track 2 so far) and i can reach F10 (mind awake body asleep) fairly easily however, I cant stop the little REM eye movements! I actually end up thinking about how i need them to stop more and it just gets worse and eventually my eyes start to strain
I was actually able to let go for a few seconds and I felt my consciousness rise for a second, but sadly my eyes moved again after that and I returned to normal. I read on a few other posts about the 3D stereogram pictures that help your eyes relax and ive been doing them, so hopefully that will work. Other than that, any suggestions?

The second question is going to be a little hard to phrase so please bear with me.

In the Gateway Experience, I read on several posts about peoples' process of phasing. Like Franks for instance where his resonance tuning takes place on top of a pyramid, his declaration takes place with two people in white robes as he places his hand on an orb etc.
As I have a pretty vivid imagination, I was able to construct a pretty good process for myself however, at no point to I actually "see" my process. I mean I can see it in my mind but I dont ever Phase into it as suggested in previous posts. Am I just supposed to keep imagining and try to consciousness rising process?

Again I am very sorry for the length of this question.
To be honest, getting into the astral plane is the only thing I can think about recently and I just want to make sure im doing things right.

Thanks a lot,
Firmitas

[rem]

Maybe you just need to keep trying.. im new too  and havent experienced obe, but like any other skill takes time.. you wont be able to play " sweet Child o' Mine" just by having the Tabs or Music sheet, you need to build your way up practising, how many times have you try it? o: just curious

[Firmitas]

thanks for the reply,
In total I would say at least 20-25 times. Which I realize now that maybe thats not a lot. I pick up things fairly fast so It might just seem weird for me to not get this right away. (hope that doesn't sound like im bragging haha)

-Firmitas

[Firmitas]

Also Im sorry I just remembered the other thing i was going to ask,
If my chakras are blocked or arent all functioning right, could that prevent me from projecting?

thanks again,
-Firmitas

[justin35ll]

Sounds like you are doing very well just keep at it and it will happen sooner or later. You remind me of myself when I first started. It was the only thing on my mind and I was also doing the gateway series which is very helpful. I actually just started again.

As far as your chakras don't worry about it too much

[TofuAttack]

my problem with phasing is i get saliva buildup in my mouth to the point where i might start choking on it and i have to swallow it periodically.... sounds silly but i cant really phase with this happening.

[Ruu]

my problem with phasing is i get saliva buildup in my mouth to the point where i might start choking on it and i have to swallow it periodically.... sounds silly but i cant really phase with this happening.

Same as me

Luke~

[blis]

I have been listening to monroe's Gateway Experience CD's (only track cd 1 track 2 so far) and i can reach F10 (mind awake body asleep) fairly easily however, I cant stop the little REM eye movements! I actually end up thinking about how i need them to stop more and it just gets worse and eventually my eyes start to strain

Sounds like you might need to get a bit deeper into your trance. Thats the one thing I dont like about the Gateway cd's; they only give you a set amount of time to do things before Bob comes on talking about what to do next. It'd be much better if they gave you the tones by themself as well so you could practice on them for as long as you need.

I'd suggest practicing going to focus 10 without the cd sometimes. When I was trying the hemisync thing and not quite deep enough I would repeat to myself, "deeper 10, deeper 10..", and try and feel myself getting heavier and sinking with each repetition.  Ultimately you need to forget about your eyes so that they can have little REM twitches without you even noticing. Try going on to the other tracks on cd1. It'll give you more stuff to do to distract your attention from your eyes.

In the Gateway Experience, I read on several posts about peoples' process of phasing. Like Franks for instance where his resonance tuning takes place on top of a pyramid, his declaration takes place with two people in white robes as he places his hand on an orb etc.
As I have a pretty vivid imagination, I was able to construct a pretty good process for myself however, at no point to I actually "see" my process. I mean I can see it in my mind but I dont ever Phase into it as suggested in previous posts. Am I just supposed to keep imagining and try to consciousness rising process?

From what I hear Frank was damn good at phasing but I doubt even he would be fully 'phased' into the scenario at that point. The resonant tuning takes place before you're even in focus 10(If you're humming you're body cant be asleep).

Dont expect to see things as if they're real at this point. Focus 10 is just the starting point. It's just about getting your body 'asleep'.

Note: I'm not claiming to be a hemisync expert. I never went past focus 12

my problem with phasing is i get saliva buildup in my mouth to the point where i might start choking on it and i have to swallow it periodically.... sounds silly but i cant really phase with this happening.

Prop you head up with a pillow. You might drool all over your chest but its better than choking. If you can let your mouth hang open it'll start to dry out like when you're sleeping.

[Xanth]

Hi everyone,
I apologize for the frequent questions. Even though I just joined this forum =\

Anyway, As mentioned before in a previous post, I just started the phasing process and everything about this process seems to make perfect sense to me. Of course this is still a sense of doubt in my mind simply because I have yet to experience it.
There are 2 concerns on my mind,

1 is that I read some of Frank's posts about phasing (thank you Xanth for posting them ) and about the "consciousness cone". The bottom of the cone being your C1 and the top being the astral border. I have been listening to monroe's Gateway Experience CD's (only track cd 1 track 2 so far) and i can reach F10 (mind awake body asleep) fairly easily however, I cant stop the little REM eye movements! I actually end up thinking about how i need them to stop more and it just gets worse and eventually my eyes start to strain
I was actually able to let go for a few seconds and I felt my consciousness rise for a second, but sadly my eyes moved again after that and I returned to normal. I read on a few other posts about the 3D stereogram pictures that help your eyes relax and ive been doing them, so hopefully that will work. Other than that, any suggestions?

Yup, each time you think about your eyes, you're bringing your awareness back to your physical body... this ruins all the effort you've been putting into it.
You need to just forget about your physical body.

If you're doing the "noticing" exercise, engage your mind 100% in whatever you see...
If you're doing the "mental rundown" exercise, engage 100% of your senses within the scene you're creating...

It's all about DISASSOCIATION from the physical.  ANY bit of "oh hey my eyes are... " BAM!  You just screwed yourself. 

The second question is going to be a little hard to phrase so please bear with me.

In the Gateway Experience, I read on several posts about peoples' process of phasing. Like Franks for instance where his resonance tuning takes place on top of a pyramid, his declaration takes place with two people in white robes as he places his hand on an orb etc.
As I have a pretty vivid imagination, I was able to construct a pretty good process for myself however, at no point to I actually "see" my process. I mean I can see it in my mind but I dont ever Phase into it as suggested in previous posts. Am I just supposed to keep imagining and try to consciousness rising process?

Again I am very sorry for the length of this question.
To be honest, getting into the astral plane is the only thing I can think about recently and I just want to make sure im doing things right.

Thanks a lot,
Firmitas

In MOST cases, you are not going to "see" your visualizations... at least, not until you're deep enough and entrenched within them that they become astral environments.

In this case it sounds like you're doing a mental rundown... just keep absorbing yourself more and more into the scene.

[Xanth]

my problem with phasing is i get saliva buildup in my mouth to the point where i might start choking on it and i have to swallow it periodically.... sounds silly but i cant really phase with this happening.

Do you drink a lot of soda by any chance?
Try drinking some water 1 - 2 hours before your attempts... see if that helps.

[TofuAttack]

Do you drink a lot of soda by any chance?
Try drinking some water 1 - 2 hours before your attempts... see if that helps.

i dont drink soda at all, i usually drink green tea or oolong tea at night though.

[Xanth]

i dont drink soda at all, i usually drink green tea or oolong tea at night though.

Well, I know that soda has an adverse affect of having mouth troubles like saliva production.
But, I don't know what Green Tea or Oolong Tea would do. 

[Stookie]

I drink green and oolongs in the morning and night with no problems. Oolongs have more caffeine but only about half what coffee does. Green is about 1/3 the caffeine of coffee. (depending on how strong you make it of course).

The saliva and breathing problems lessen as you become more comfortable with the trance state. It's a good sign that you're beginning to reach trance, and that is making you more aware of things you're normally not aware of and exasperating it. As far as I know, it's just a matter of becoming comfortable in a new state you're normally not conscious of.

[BlueTone]

I just wanted to drop my two cents in real quick, Because I'm very excited about the progress I've had lately.

William Buhlman calls this the " Target Technique " . Its VERY Similar to Phasing, However its slightly different. Choose a location that you are very familiar with. a location and path that actually DOES exist. Not imagination. Then run through the location slowly and thoroughly, interacting with multiple objects fully. Let me give an example of what i do.

I start every process outside at the edge of my driveway, at my mailbox. I imagine my hands sliding on both sides, feeling the rough grain from the black plastic. I reach up with my right thumb and place a comfortable grip on the Metal ring to open to door. Opening the mailbox, i find a stack of flash cards. I pick up the Flash cards, and begin reading them in the sequence. They read; " Congratulations. You are Out-of-Body and are beginning to highten your awareness. " I flip two the next card and it reads " 10 " Then " 9 " Etc. Slowly drops down to 1 and then the ending card is back to the beginning, That i read again, and place back into my mailbox for my next session.

I then walk to my front porch steps, Grab on to both side rails, admire the splintering wood, and take 4 slow steps until i can reach the door. I grab onto the door knob to my house, again, admiring the smooth cool silver metal, I open the door and step in. Once i get into my living room, I walk a complete circle around my living room making some form of thorough interaction with just about everything.

Now, While i do this, I try to keep a very small amount of focus on the actual direction and distance of where i am. Sure I'm 90% completely indulged into what I'm doing. But a small amount is still feeling that I'm actually " 20 Feet to my left " Kinda thing. Hard to explain, But if you try it, You'll understand what i mean.

I can stay in deepening trances for several hours without falling asleep, Or staying too alert. Its a Very beautiful and effective way to Phase. I feel its more Legit, Because its an actual place that I'm not only familiar with, but i can throw my awareness in the accurate direction.

If anyone else is willing to give this a try, I'd love to hear their results. I'll continue to post my own as well. Trust me. Do this for at least 60 Days, Daily practice. Its -WELL- worth it =D


~Ryan

[CFTraveler]

I learned a similar tech from Scott Rogo, in his book Leaving the Body.  It's probably the only tech that had some effect when I tried it, years ago.

[Seraphis1]

I learned a similar tech from Scott Rogo, in his book Leaving the Body.  It's probably the only tech that had some effect when I tried it, years ago.

Hey CF did you know that Scott Rogo was murdered in a home robbery?

S.

[CFTraveler]

I probably read about it years ago, but I didn't remember at the moment.

[Seraphis1]

I probably read about it years ago, but I didn't remember at the moment.

Hi CF: Funny thing happened on the way to the forum... I had a conversation with Rogo in my morning session... he told me to tell those people who are still trying to find his killer to stop... he has forgiven and moved on... there was a lot more but, I was absolutely shocked and didn't record the conversation but remember the murder was quite sordid... but I do remember his instruction...

S.

[CFTraveler]

I had an idea that it was sordid, and probably of a personal nature, made to look like a robbery.  But I really don't know what I'm talking about.