After life.

[rem]

Hello, i have a question.. if everyone goes to focus 3 after dying .. then does our actions here on the physical even matter? i mean.. if im good n kind to pep or if im a son of a grump to the world and the pep.. either way we all go to the same place?.. if so then why bother trying to be good, if there is no ultimate consequences?

[Xanth]

Hello, i have a question.. if everyone goes to focus 3 after dying .. then does our actions here on the physical even matter? i mean.. if im good n kind to pep or if im a son of a grump to the world and the pep.. either way we all go to the same place?.. if so then why bother trying to be good, if there is no ultimate consequences?

That's the entire point I've been trying to relay.

No... your actions only matter here with learning and experiencing during THIS lifetime.
It's my belief that very little of what you do now has any bearing, what-so-ever on your next lives... should that concept come into play.

[rem]

talking about next lives.. are we like forced.. to go on into the next life after we die? or do we have a choice of sticking around in focus 3 as or maybe 4 as long as we want?

[Xanth]

I fully believe in the complete freedom of choice in the non-physical.

[mon9999]

I fully believe in the complete freedom of choice in the non-physical.

This is also what I believe in, being forced to do something against one's will is not from higher frequency

[grzazek]

The only reason I don't play God and kill people myself is because of the physical consequences associated with such actions. But if it were up to me... Well, we are overpopulated to a great degree.

[Pauli2]

If you are bad and lack PUL you will most likely go to one of the many Hells or at the best to a Hollow Heaven. If you have any locked-in religious belief (for example Christianity) you will most likely go to a Hollow Heaven (which is a kind of Hell, but it will not be obvious from the start).

If you are filled with self-hate you are also in the risk of going to a Hell.

[rem]

so whats the difference between hollow heaven and heaven... or hollow hell and hell?

[personalreality]

Morality shmorality.  And PUL shmeeUL.

Its not about "karma", its about how limited you've allowed your perception to become.

[Xanth]

so whats the difference between hollow heaven and heaven... or hollow hell and hell?

MY OPINION:
The difference is that none of those concepts exist outside of your belief that they do.

They exist in an area of consciousness aptly labeled by Robert Monroe as the "Belief System Territories".
This is an area of consciousness where all belief system "areas" have been completely constructed by the beliefs of those people (individual or groups) who believe the same thing.

For example... when you die and you are a devout Christian who expects to see the "Pearly Gates" where you'll meet whoever the dude is who you're supposed to meet there, where by you then are "judged", then that is *EXACTLY* what you're going to encounter.

Get it?

[Stookie]

IMO all of this is way over-simplified. We have no idea what kind of responsibilities are in store for us afterwards. If we knew, we wouldn't be here in a physical form that forgets. To me, F3 doesn't seem like a fun place to "rest". It's another illusion. And "The Park" that Monroe mentions doesn't make any sense to me, never has. What if the idea of a "park" to me is super boring? Or what about people that died well before the concept of "park"? Seems like more of a modern construct. Anything that resembles the physical in any way must still be illusion of sorts. Isn't that what we should be getting away from?

I suppose the point of F3 is to be somewhere comfortable until you are ready to move on. It's just I can't think of a "comfortable" situation for myself. I want to go beyond another illusion, beyond space and time.

[blis]

I believe everything you do has consequences. Not some cosmic referee doling out punishments - just cause and effect. All of your thoughts and actions become an indelible part of you for eternity.

Who knows what the consequences of any particular action will be in regards to what you become. I try to put my trust in my higher self and follow my instincts. If something feels wrong, I take that as a message that the consequences of that action wouldnt be beneficial to me.

[Pauli2]

And "The Park" that Monroe mentions doesn't make any sense to me, never has. What if the idea of a "park" to me is super boring?

The idea of Focus 27 is that noone shall impose her/his believes on anyone else and also not destroy what others have created.

It's a place to fully experience PUL.

Or what about people that died well before the concept of "park"?

Those people created the "Park", before there existed one in Focus 27, several thousand of years ago. They needed something better than the BST Focuses.

[Xanth]

The idea of Focus 27 is that noone shall impose her/his believes on anyone else and also not destroy what others have created.

It's a place to fully experience PUL.


Those people created the "Park", before there existed one in Focus 27, several thousand of years ago. They needed something better than the BST Focuses.

Is that Bruce Moen's view on this?

[Pauli2]

Is that Bruce Moen's view on this?

I can't be sure, but I assume so. He has not objected to anything declared by Monroe. After all, they come from the same I-There, so in fact, they are the same Self.

[Xanth]

I can't be sure, but I assume so. He has not objected to anything declared by Monroe.

Understandable.

After all, they come from the same I-There, so in fact, they are the same Self.

That's a matter of opinion really. 

[Pauli2]

That's a matter of opinion really. 

Opinion and opinion. Monroe told Moen so after Monroe died.

[rem]

Well then it doesnt really matter for those who believe in heavens and hells.. cause they will end in heaven and hell anyway.. cause they believe so, and they will be satisfied even though its like a fake heaven.
( well, the ones in hell.. wont be oviously xD )

[horaciocs]

From my experience (purely theoretical) I find that, once you die, you lose the vehicle that constrains you inside this dimension. From then on, you're a piece of conscience that will experience something that matches what's on its mind. Therefore, I think that it won't be any worse than what is experienced here on the physical.

If you're aware of the non-physical, have a positive attitude towards life and don't have a load of emotional issues that cause you distress, I believe you'll either go somewhere where you can plan your new incarnation or somewhere that matches your present state of mind, probably feeling perfectly well.

Emotional issues and a negative attitude are hell on their own. You don't have to die to experience hell. The difference when you die is that you lose the vehicle that traps your mind and keeps you from instantly experiencing every single thought that crosses your mind. You will become your emotions, suffering continuously unless someone comes in and breaks your thought process for a second.

The physical gives us an opportunity to analyse our emotions and plan our experience before it actually happens. You may be suffering, but you can put that aside and work on a solution. If it weren't for the physical, you would be immersed on your emotions, which would make it much harder for anyone to learn anything. That's what makes the physical experience so unique, it's a chance for us to meticulously look through our emotions and learn how to control them. It's a necessary step for anyone aspiring to evolve, there is no evolution without emotional control. (Control, that is. Emotions are good)

The afterlife, after all, depends on your state of mind. I don't think your focus levels matter that much (or even if they apply at all). I think that what you will experience is the point here, and it depends on your conscience alone (biased by your beliefs). Regarding reincarnation, I think you never reincarnate unless you want to. Once rid of the physical, you will notice the importance of the experience to your learning and will probably want to reincarnate, though.