Vague possibility Palin will enter 2012 election clearest sign of impending doom

[Stillwater]

Well, not much to say. This MSN article gingerly treats of the possibility of Sarah Palin running in the 2012 U.S. election by stating that McCain rejects the certainty of the notion, lol. But in doing so, it also unwillingly asserts the idea that it is a possibility that she may.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39846252/ns/politics-decision_2010/?GT1=43001

It seems like this is the last person whom should ever be elected to such a position; she makes Bush seem like an honor student. But should she be given the chance, I have faith that the same vote-tampering, weapons of mass distraction, gerrymandering and electioneering machine that managed to elect Bush twice will place her firmly in the oval office.

At which point, before she takes command, Jesus will spring from the womb fully formed, and decapitate her during a CNN live interview, and the emissaries of the galactic trade federation will come steaming in from the Proton belt to destroy planet X, disable the HAARP facility, spank the lizard people, and bring in some good vibrations. Glen Beck and Michael Moore will shake hands. Sylvia Brown will predict the sun will rise that day, and it does. James Randi will reveal that he has laser vision given to him by the Buddha, but that he wasn't able to tell anyone, as he was forced by a coalition of the Illuminati led by John Kerry and Jerry Springer to propogate a campaign of disinformation about the glorious metaphysical reality he is the cenerpiece of.

I think I know what is going to happen afterall.

[Xanth]

ROFL!

If Sarah Palin gets the reins on the United States... that's checkout time. 

[Timandra]

[Capt. Picard]

Yeah its def a sign of doom but the democrats arent any better really, so basically what Im getting at, is we are screwed either way.

[Stillwater]

True. I don't really feel either of the two (there really aren't any more than that) political parties reflects my interests or what is in the interest of we here in the U.S., or the people of the world. They both treat the corporate world as a dangerous overlord which must be appeased, or will punish all, and don't stray from business as usual. What is needed now is something neither the radical conservtive party (Republican) or the moderate conservative party (Democratic) can willingly provide. Don't mistake my disgust for the one as praise of the other.

It is just that Palin seems like the most Romantic embodiement of what should never be in power, and is all the more likely to get it as a result.

If Sarah Palin gets the reins on the United States... that's checkout time.

I am working on my German Xanth... that is my ticket to Sweden, Denmark or Finland, until I got a foothold. Australia might not be a bad second if they won't have me there, lol, but the UK is too much like here now. 

[personalreality]

it doesn't matter.  one way or another this ship is goin down!!  WOO!!!

[Naykid]

I would take Palin over Obama ANY day. 

This man has become the liar in chief and it's an embarrassment how lacking in knowledge he is of how to run a country.  I don't know what people expected though.  The man was nothing more than a community organizer and was only a senator for like what... a hundred and fifty days before he decided to run for POTUS?  He had never ran a business, but Palin was Governor of Alaska for two years and Mayor of Wasilla Alaska for ten years.  IMO having experience is needed to be able to run the country.   If people would stop listening to media that is so far left we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. 

Just a week or so ago Obama came forward and admitted that there is "no such thing as Shovel ready jobs" Yet that is what he campaigned with for the stimulus package at the start of his presidency, he and others in his administration repeatedly insisted the investments would go to "shovel-ready" projects -- projects that would put people to work right away. As recently as August, however, local governments are still facing delays spending the money they were allocated from the stimulus.  Don't even get me started on Pelosi, Reid, and Barney Frank...  They were in control for the last two years of Bush's term, yet people continue to listen to the liberal media and blame Bush for everything, heck, Obama and thugs are still blaming Bush even though he's been POTUS for two years.  When is he going to take responsibility?


Here something I found that I really think makes people think... 

If George W. Bush had doubled the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had criticized a state law that he admitted he never even read, would you think that he is just an ignorant hot head?

If George W. Bush joined the country of Mexico and sued a state in the United States to force that state to continue to allow illegal immigration, would you question his patriotism and wonder who's side he was on?

If George W. Bush had put 87000 workers out of work by arbitrarily placing a moratorium on offshore oil drilling on companies that have one of the best safety records of any industry because one company had an accident would you have agreed?

If George W. Bush had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a TelePrompTer installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had stated that there were 57 states in the United States , would you have said that he is clueless.

If George W. Bush would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in Texas , would you have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical jerk.
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had misspelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoes as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

[Stillwater]

I would take Palin over Obama ANY day. 

This man has become the liar in chief and it's an embarrassment how lacking in knowledge he is of how to run a country.  I don't know what people expected though.  The man was nothing more than a community organizer and was only a senator for like what... a hundred and fifty days before he decided to run for POTUS?  He had never ran a business, but Palin was Governor of Alaska for two years and Mayor of Wasilla Alaska for ten years.  IMO having experience is needed to be able to run the country.   If people would stop listening to media that is so far left we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. 

Just a week or so ago Obama came forward and admitted that there is "no such thing as Shovel ready jobs" Yet that is what he campaigned with for the stimulus package at the start of his presidency, he and others in his administration repeatedly insisted the investments would go to "shovel-ready" projects -- projects that would put people to work right away. As recently as August, however, local governments are still facing delays spending the money they were allocated from the stimulus.  Don't even get me started on Pelosi, Reid, and Barney Frank...  They were in control for the last two years of Bush's term, yet people continue to listen to the liberal media and blame Bush for everything, heck, Obama and thugs are still blaming Bush even though he's been POTUS for two years.  When is he going to take responsibility?

Then I must reiterate that I made no comment about Obama whatsoever. Politics is not a binary game, however much Americans have been blinded into thinking so. Being ashamed of Palin does not mean I have any positive feeling for Obama, I can and do severely distrust both of them.

People are so indoctrinated into thinking that when some person criticizes one leader, it is because they support the leader of the other party. I think the reason for that may in part be what I call "election campaigning for president by default". Essentially the idea is to play up some of your own positive traits, but mainly to run all manner of attack adds to show the constituents why they can't possibly have the other guy, and what a monster he is. The purpose is mainly to have people think that regardless of who is running against him, they must be better than that scoundrel. The benefit of this is that the person running the adds can rely far less on their postive credentials.

Since people are so used to thinking in this way as a result of this and other techniques in the two party system, it seems it is easy then to think that a person's political arguments are taking the same form.

So I would say Nay, you can't defend Palin by saying that I must therefore like Obama, and point out his flaws. We know Obama is a corporate-owned buffoon. That does not redeem Palin in any way.


Palin has been campaigning by trying to appeal to the least common denominator. She asserts that being a woman is a positive feature that greatly impacts her ability to make good decisions, rather than taking the logical route of suggesting it is a feature which is irrelevant to her qualifications postively or negatively. Her greatest platform so far seems to be that, "Mama Grizzlies" need to rise and take what is theirs. While I have no idea what this means at all, it seems to be suggesting that she supports legislation that deals with children- which is funny, since she will cut education despite what her platform may or may not say.

She was governer of Alaska for a couple years, probably the richest state in the union, and she abandoned the position and the people of alaska she campaigned for.

It has been pointed out numerous times that her own education is lacking and that she has no grasp of even recent U.S. history, and has needed a board of tutors constantly cramming ideas such as the major events of WW2, or why the Korean War happened. You are not qualified to run a country if you have no idea where it has even been lately.


But I guess what I am getting at might be the idea that none of the people we have elected recently really have the total knowledge or abilities that it truly takes to run a country this complex. It really takes a very large board of people to do it effectively, and the idea that the constituents are electing one person, and not a whole council to the office is an antiquated notion perpetuated to oversimplify things to the point that people can get an emotional attachment to the one person.

[Stookie]

It is just that Palin seems like the most Romantic embodiement of what should never be in power, and is all the more likely to get it as a result.

Couldn't have said it any better. She's scared me from the beginning. And there is evil behind her smile.

[Naykid]

I simply will never understand the visceral...hate?.. that some ppl feel towards certain politicians.  I can't say that I've ever felt that Palin was evil..lol  I guess I'm evil because I certainly can relate to her.  She is a strong Mom who happens to get things done. I was also taught how to hunt as a child, and we killed our own chickens.  I think that turns some ppl off, I don't know why some find it uncomfortable for a women to have a role that is dominated by men.  I don't agree with all of her policies but they certainly out number any of Obama's agenda. I don't care for her talking about abstinence and then having a daughter that doesn't get it.  But as a Mom, I understand how hard it is to have your kids do the right thing.. I've been very lucky. 

I wasn't really directing my comment towards you Stillwater, though I did know you would comment.     I was not defending Palin, I was simply saying I would take her over Obama and then gave a list, an old list I might add, on reason's why I don't care for Obama.  So, I guess you can say I'm dogging on Obama more than promoting Palin.  I for one, would not want her as President, I have a few others in mind.  But if it was only her and Obama..?  Yep, I'd vote for her.   

Oh, I'm not a Republican either.  I just can't take in what direction this country is headed towards. 

[personalreality]

[Stillwater]

I simply will never understand the visceral...hate?.. that some ppl feel towards certain politicians.

No, not hate at all. She seems like an okay person. But I think she would be dangerous to have in power. You can like someone, but still not like the idea of that person having command over atomic weapons. I don't think my mom should have atomic weapons.

I don't know why some find it uncomfortable for a women to have a role that is dominated by men.

For me it has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has to do with her using the fact that she is a woman as a means of leverage, as though it is a special qualification. I think the most mature thing for her to do would be to make it clear that her gender has no bearing on her political platform.

But as a Mom, I understand how hard it is to have your kids do the right thing.. I've been very lucky. 

I agree. Her children should not reflect on her. They are their own people, and make their own decisions. It is a sad tendancy our political system has for judging politicians by the sorts of families they have. It is very aristocratic, in the worst possible way.

I wasn't really directing my comment towards you Stillwater, though I did know you would comment.

Oh, that's okay Nay. I sorta' had the feeling you were speaking in a general, more rhetorical fashion. I did not mean my response to be personal either, though it was meant to address ideas you presented personally. No worries at all, I just tend to meet ideas as I see them is all!

[personalreality]

I really wouldn't want to give anyone control of nukes.  Especially not my mom, lol.  She would blow up everyone but southern Baptist Republicans lol.

[Naykid]

More dangerous than the man that is power now??     In what way would she be dangerous?  I see that you don't want her around atomic weapons and I see that you didn't mention your Dad...so, you must think she'll slam her fist down on the big red button because she is in the throws of PMS.     But then you say this.

For me it has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has to do with her using the fact that she is a woman as a means of leverage, as though it is a special qualification. I think the most mature thing for her to do would be to make it clear that her gender has no bearing on her political platform. 

I am going to call your bluff.  I have no idea if you are a male or female, I should know after all these years on the same board,   but as a women I can tell you that we have to work twice as hard to get less than what men get in the work force.  And if a women acts strong, she is considered a b!tch but if a man acts strong, well, he's considered  a great businessman.  We are thrown into the rock and a hard place in the very beginning due to the very fact that we are female.  If gender did not matter we wouldn't be having this conversation.  You'd be ok with the fact that she feels that she has a special qualification and move on and not demand that she do the mature thing by denouncing it.

I think women and men alike would have a unique perspective on things especially when you have a child or children with special needs.   I have three children, the youngest having Aspergers and so once again I can relate to Palin.   My youngest may not be as severe as her son that has downs syndrome, but it is a daily challenge.   This builds certain character if you ask me.  I'm not tooting my own horn here,  I'm tooting Palin's.  You can't deny this women is hard working and devoted.  There is nothing evil or immature about that in my opinion.  The media has treated her unkindly, and unjustly because many people like her and that threatens their liberal view and ways.  And when people feel threatened, they lash out.   

Ok, I guess NOW I'm defending her.   

[Stookie]

She's way too conservative for me and my gut says that the way she stands in the public light is not who she really is. She also believes in "God's Plan" for america. No more christian conservatives in the white house please. Scary stuff. She also answers some questions in a very strange manner, like why she had crib notes on her hand during a press conference:

"If it was good enough for God, scribbling on the palm of his hand, it's good enough for me,"
(The passage, Isaiah 49:16, says, "See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands.")

And Katie Couric proved Palin's not a very quick thinker. I suppose the crib notes prove that as well. We need proper thinkers running the country, not someone who has to refer to a manual in an emergency. I don't know who that would be, but there's never a decent person to vote for because decent people don't get into politics.

It's not just her though, most politicians do that to me.

[personalreality]

man, woman, hermaphrodite, I don't care.  what i do care about is the "God's Plan" bit that stookie mentioned.  It's not just Palin (though she is a freaky christian.  isn't she one of those snake charmer christians?), it's all of them.  This is the biggest scam ever.  We're not supposed to mix religion and politics apparently, yet ever single government institution is saturated with christian ideals outwardly (and occult/satanic worship covertly, which honestly i think christianity is satanism/sun worship in disguise).  How hypocritical can a nation be?

[Naykid]

Yeah, I don't care for the whole religious thing myself.  More often or not religious zealots end up being hypocrites.

I don't know about that quote, I've never seen it. I'd love a link.  But I did see the Katie Couric thing and that is a perfect example of what I meant about the media not being fair. Some of those questions couldn't have been answered by even the most seasoned politicians. And Katie Couric had her liberal cat claws out before Palin walked on the set. I noticed that every time Obama was on they didn't even bother to ask him any questions that involved brain power or touch his questionable history.  They were too busy throwing soft-ball, feel good questions that would only highlight his already messiah persona.  I'm happy to see that the media is pretty much over the honeymoon stage.  Not all the liberal media..oh, like CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC. they all still have the tingle and the hatred for the right so they will continue to be bias instead of doing what's right.  No pun intended.  

It would be nice if the media would give both sides, without bias so we the people could make choices on facts that weren't manipulated. Look at the NPR bull with Juan Williams. And guess who gave him a job?  FOX News, those right-wing nut jobs, who hate every one especially black people, according to the left.    sarcasm off.

Left likes big Govt, Right hates it. Most Independents are going to vote right because of that very reason. I know I am.

[Stookie]

I don't know about that quote, I've never seen it. I'd love a link.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/08/2010-03-08_sarah_palin_defends_writing_notes_on_her_hand__god_did_it_why_cant_i.html
With video: http://www.mediaite.com/online/palin-defends-writing-on-hand-god-did-it-too/

And where she says the war in iraq is god's plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
And where she says the alaskan pipeline is god's plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9MMJESywA&feature=related

I realize she may not believe it and is just saying to sway the christian right to her side, but that's deceptive and manipulative which I don't go for either. At this point, there would be little she could do to sway me. The bad outweighs the good from my point of view.

[Stillwater]

This is what I was thinking of, Nay:

She's way too conservative for me and my gut says that the way she stands in the public light is not who she really is. She also believes in "God's Plan" for america. No more christian conservatives in the white house please. Scary stuff.

I think I am with Stookie on this one.

We ended up in a decade of wars, partially because we had a guy who thought he was doing God's work to punish the Muslims, who's states make up an "Axis of Evil" (among other reasons I will not go into now). There may be big social problems today surrounding the expansion of Islam, and militant aggression among radicals, but he went about it in the worst possible way. And Palin seems to be cut from the same mold, using quasi-religious ramblings to justify jingoist belligerence.

When you are called to lead a country who's actions can have terrible repurcussions for the entire world, I think that you need to offer up much stronger justifications for your decisions than that you read something in a holy book that gave you ideas. Saying it's God's plan seems like an excuse to say that you can do whatever terrible things you want, and it was all fated, since it was what God wanted all along.

I have no problem with a leader with religious ideas. But as the head of a secular institution, that leader needs logical secular reasons to suppport their actions.

And again I am with Stookie saying that I have not seen the person worthy of such an office yet, who is not waist deep in corporate affiliations, religious zealotry, pre-conceived notions of what direction the government needs to be taking, and is cool-head enough and judicious enough to consider what is in the best interest of the world's population at every turn. I think a person like that would not look very impressive at a podium, for one thing.

[Naykid]

Thanks for the links, Stookie.  Odd, stupid and egotistical thing to say, but evil?  No, not IMO.

Don't worry guys I'm not trying to change your minds about anyone and I don't think you have anything to worry about.  I doubt very much she will be elected POTUS.  Plus it's two years away.. I wouldn't use up too much energy worry about her.   I'm much more focused on what is going on today with the House and Senate.  I'm looking forward to Dems losing big time.  We need to start using term limits.  All these career, life time politicians have to go.  They stop working for the people and line their pockets and Union's pockets for special interest that is killing this country.

But anyways... 

[Stookie]

Thanks for the links, Stookie.  Odd, stupid and egotistical thing to say, but evil?  No, not IMO.

You're right, saying she's evil is a low blow. Really, everything I said was a little exasperated, simply because my personal feelings got in the way, much like the way the media does it.

But if there is one thing I do know, when talking politics on the internet, you're never going to have a consensus. I recently read an article about how every really big blow out on the internet eventually ends with someone referring to someone else as hitler, and that is the point where debate ends. At least we didn't go that far!

[Naykid]

   Yeah, I've had my head spinning, pea soup projectile vomit moments, believe me. 

[Stillwater]

Yes, you are thinking of Godwin's law:

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1989 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin_Law

[personalreality]

I don't understand how any of you can think that there is ANY value whatsoever in any of the political parties of the US.  They're all garbage, american government is garbage, it's all a scam and a waste of time.  In this sense, politics are a distraction, that's it.  It doesn't matter who you "vote for", it's all the same pile of bull crap and anyone who gets involved isn't doing anything but taking a big whiff of it.  How constructive is sniffing poo all day? 

[Naykid]

How in the world do you expect to change it, if you constantly ignore it because you deemed it a waste of time?  Who's sniffing poo at that point?   Let me get this straight... You are just going to allow others to speak for you??  That makes no common sense what so ever, IMO.  But I do think this is a good example of why and how our country as come to the place that it is now at.  

I saw something funny today on the news. Some chick was commenting on camera from the Colbert and Stewart Rally and she said,..people around the world love Obama, but in the USA, not so much.  Paraphrased, but really close.

I was like... Durrrrrhhhh.. every country around the world has a socialist ruling, except the USA and they are used to Obama's rhetoric.   Well... it won't be for too much longer if he has is way, but it doesn't scare ppl from other nations because they are used to having the Govt tell them when to wipe, but not the majority of Americans..nope, we just aren't quite ready for that kind of big brother thing.  I'm surprised that you, PR don't think more along those lines, especially with all the conspiracy stuff.