Re:The Facilitator!

[Seraphis1]

The Facilitator

In either Far Journeys or Ultimate Journey Monroe asks his Inspec for a meeting with an important being... when he is taken to The Facilitator... The Facilitator is very surprised Monroe found him... he claimed to be 1800 years old, stopped eating and sleeping very early in his incarnation and has had only one incarnation... who is The Facilitator? Monroe says to him cryptically... "You know no one believes you exist"... The Facilitator tells Monroe he won't meet him again... but, Monroe ask for his help with his work... the Facilitator says... "if I come, you won't recognize me..."

Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented...

Question for the board: Who is the Facilitator?

S.

[Pauli2]

The INSPEC was a future incarnation from Monroe's I-There, or possibly Monroe himself in some kind of future form either discarnate or otherwise.

The stuff that Monroe did when in OBE was somehow controlled by his I-There. And the I-There seemed to try to give Monroe some lessons. The reasons for not giving the pupil (Monroe) the answers right away was twofold:

1. Monroe would develop his self much better if he was to learn the lesson all by himself.
2. The I-There didn't know the "right" answer at all times and wanted to make Monroe discover the answers on his own in order to make him able to do completely new discoveries of Unknowns never heard before by the I-There.


Monroe's guides did not always tell the truth as things may become too simple and Monroe wouldn't have learned his stuff the most intriguing way. So... The Facilitator may or may not exists as Monroe was given the picture. It could even be the case that the Facilitator was created to satisfy Monroe's wish to meet an advanced human. Monroe would then enter a new path in his quest for discovering Unknowns.

Do you think the concept of the Facilitator was a little simple?

What was the Facilitator's goals? Purpose on Earth?

[personalreality]

The facilitator was a part of Monroe's mind that he wanted to meet and so he did. 

man that was so much easier than all the stuff you wrote pauli.  lol.

[Seraphis1]

Hi Pauli: I posted this in other places and was not able to find anyone who could respond due to the inscrutable nature of The Facilitator and his unique and almost unheard of status. I posted it here because this site seems to have advanced persons... to me this is puzzling and awesome... but maybe beyond comprehension.

The INSPEC was a future incarnation from Monroe's I-There, or possibly Monroe himself in some kind of future form either discarnate or otherwise.

Later information says that the Inspec WAS one of Monroe's personas... that's why when Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity and disappeared.

The stuff that Monroe did when in OBE was somehow controlled by his I-There. And the I-There seemed to try to give Monroe some lessons. The reasons for not giving the pupil (Monroe) the answers right away was twofold:

1. Monroe would develop his self much better if he was to learn the lesson all by himself.
2. The I-There didn't know the "right" answer at all times and wanted to make Monroe discover the answers on his own in order to make him able to do completely new discoveries of Unknowns never heard before by the I-There.


Monroe's guides did not always tell the truth as things may become too simple and Monroe wouldn't have learned his stuff the most intriguing way. So... The Facilitator may or may not exists as Monroe was given the picture. It could even be the case that the Facilitator was created to satisfy Monroe's wish to meet an advanced human. Monroe would then enter a new path in his quest for discovering Unknowns.

The problem with the idea that the Facilitator was not a unique and separate entity is that... The Facilitator at the time of the meeting says he was a professor at a real time University teaching... he said that he had been or juggled jobs such as cab driver and bartender... also Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented... d...

Do you think the concept of the Facilitator was a little simple?

My personal impression but of course a speculation (which is why I was curious about what people out there who might have more than speculation to offer might concur or give a definitive explanation of The Facilitator...) is that The Facilitator somehow in Roman times figured out how to create a light body... which is eternal. Somewhere in the literature produce by Robert Bruce he seems to be busy creating a light body to continue indefinitely in the physical world... When I told Robert I was not coming back he replied, ' that he could not understand why anyone would not want to be in the physical because this is where it is all happening...' So maybe The Facilitator made a similar decision when he Transcended... but, that he could do it in a single lifetime which blows my mind.

What was the Facilitator's goals? Purpose on Earth?

It could be just as simple a Robert Bruces's... the physical plane is where it is at. Everything is happening here... there are challenges and satisfying emotional rewards for creating in the physical which don't exist in the non-physical... what I don't like is the reaction... it has taken me 7000 earth years to get to a place where I can even contemplate freedom from the physical... I am not going to give that up. LOL!!  I want escape velocity... thanks to Robert Monroe.

S.

[Stookie]

If you compare it to Buddhism, after they've finished their own earthly tasks, they can choose to continue physical existence to help facilitate other humans. However, they tend to reincarnate. Like the Dali Lama. So in other words, I don't have a clue.  

There are a lot of things like that Monroe mentions but never finishes and leaves it wide open for interpretation. He either didn't understand it himself or did it on purpose for some reason I guess.

[Seraphis1]

If you compare it to Buddhism, after they've finished their own earthly tasks, they can choose to continue physical existence to help facilitate other humans. However, they tend to reincarnate. Like the Dali Lama. So in other words, I don't have a clue. 

There are a lot of things like that Monroe mentions but never finishes and leaves it wide open for interpretation. He either didn't understand it himself or did it on purpose for some reason I guess.

Hi Stookie: I think Monroe DID clarify and explain... the manuscript that he intended to publish as "Ulitimate Journey" was deemed unpublishable in that time and place by the mainstream publisher he was using so the y edited that book so it was more cryptic and uninformative than anything he ever allowed to be published... Joe McMonagle told me he has the original manuscript which is about a foot thick... and he has no plans to ever publish it... so whatever Monroe want to say will never be heard... but Monroe from the otherside got in touch with Bruce Moen and got him to publish something that was probably close to what he had to say... but unfortunately not clarifying Monroe's experiences.

S.

[CFTraveler]

Going back to the Facilitator theme, this topic is not unheard of in metaphysical literature (or legendary, if you will)- it is mentioned by Paramahansa Yogananda in his autobiography, and is supposedly met by one of his predecessors (been awhile since I read the book, but it was either his Guru or his Guru's Guru).
So you could say that the character already existed in the collective unconscious of at least one religious group.

[Pauli2]

Later information says that the Inspec WAS one of Monroe's personas... that's why when Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity and disappeared.

This is all described in Ultimate Journey, as I get it. Where do you get your info from? I got it that Monroe did develop in a different direction than the INSPEC had anticipated and therefore it could not help Monroe anymore as Monroe had to find things out himself. Where did you get the "Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity"?

The problem with the idea that the Facilitator was not a unique and separate entity is that... The Facilitator at the time of the meeting says he was a professor at a real time University teaching... he said that he had been or juggled jobs such as cab driver and bartender... also Oddly enough Monroe remembered The Facilitator as a flyer at the glider airfield he frequented... d...

This is a problem. some works can be done as Illicit Work, but in many countries you have to be born, get a social security number, etc. You just can't pop up as an unknown person and start working on many places. The Facilitator would have to alter a lot of physical world items to enter as a new human in society... And he would have to go out of scope in a similar way. He would have to age visible over the years, and so on.

My personal impression but of course a speculation (which is why I was curious about what people out there who might have more than speculation to offer might concur or give a definitive explanation of The Facilitator...) is that The Facilitator somehow in Roman times figured out how to create a light body... which is eternal. Somewhere in the literature produce by Robert Bruce he seems to be busy creating a light body to continue indefinitely in the physical world... When I told Robert I was not coming back he replied, ' that he could not understand why anyone would not want to be in the physical because this is where it is all happening...' So maybe The Facilitator made a similar decision when he Transcended... but, that he could do it in a single lifetime which blows my mind.

The "I" above is that you, Seraphis1?

After some hundreds of years the Facilitator should know it all, specially as he can astral travel and do other things like looking into people's minds, so I wonder why he would stay for 1800 years in the physical..? It would only be more of the same.

It could be just as simple a Robert Bruces's... the physical plane is where it is at. Everything is happening here... there are challenges and satisfying emotional rewards for creating in the physical which don't exist in the non-physical... what I don't like is the reaction... it has taken me 7000 earth years to get to a place where I can even contemplate freedom from the physical... I am not going to give that up. LOL!!  I want escape velocity... thanks to Robert Monroe.

Why do you think "7000 years"? Where did that number come from?

[Seraphis1]

This is all described in Ultimate Journey, as I get it. Where do you get your info from? I got it that Monroe did develop in a different direction than the INSPEC had anticipated and therefore it could not help Monroe anymore as Monroe had to find things out himself. Where did you get the "Monroe arrived at a certain state of consciousness the Inspec could not exist as a separate entity"?

As I recall one of the trainers at TMI told me this in a discussion... as I stated... Joe McMonagle says 'Ultimate Journey' is not Monroe's work... it is ghost written under the direction of the publisher.

This is a problem. some works can be done as Illicit Work, but in many countries you have to be born, get a social security number, etc. You just can't pop up as an unknown person and start working on many places. The Facilitator would have to alter a lot of physical world items to enter as a new human in society... And he would have to go out of scope in a similar way. He would have to age visible over the years, and so on.

This in not true. You are thinking in a human linear fashion. The Facilitator can potentially come and go as he desires... creating specific illusions... people wouldn't notice it. Remember Frank Kepple says that consciousness is 'one' everything is going on all at the same time... there is no linear time... there is only focused attention and shifting and changing your focus... if you know how to do it... it is childs play for a Transcendent. Everything in the universe has already happened and is happening all at the same time.

If you have read Bruce Moen's work you will note that when Monroe was interacting with different groups during a focus 34 session he split himself into hundreds of parts and was interacting with all the groups at the same time... this is not a problem for a light being... Avatar level being.

S.

[Seraphis1]

Quote from: Seraphis1 on Today at 18:57:09
My personal impression but of course a speculation (which is why I was curious about what people out there who might have more than speculation to offer might concur or give a definitive explanation of The Facilitator...) is that The Facilitator somehow in Roman times figured out how to create a light body... which is eternal. Somewhere in the literature produce by Robert Bruce he seems to be busy creating a light body to continue indefinitely in the physical world... When I told Robert I was not coming back he replied, ' that he could not understand why anyone would not want to be in the physical because this is where it is all happening...' So maybe The Facilitator made a similar decision when he Transcended... but, that he could do it in a single lifetime which blows my mind.

The "I" above is that you, Seraphis1?

After some hundreds of years the Facilitator should know it all, specially as he can astral travel and do other things like looking into people's minds, so I wonder why he would stay for 1800 years in the physical..? It would only be more of the same.

Yes the 'I' is me... But as to why The Facilitator stays in the physical plane if you will reread the material in "Ultimate Journey" you will note he says it's a challenge... much like Robert Bruce seems to get great satisfaction from being in the physical plane... only in the physical plane can you have a true 'objective' illusion... there is something to be said about it... if you can stand the "pain" part. LOL!!

S.

[Seraphis1]

Quote from: Seraphis1 on Today at 18:57:09
It could be just as simple a Robert Bruces's... the physical plane is where it is at. Everything is happening here... there are challenges and satisfying emotional rewards for creating in the physical which don't exist in the non-physical... what I don't like is the reaction... it has taken me 7000 earth years to get to a place where I can even contemplate freedom from the physical... I am not going to give that up. LOL!!   I want escape velocity... thanks to Robert Monroe.

Why do you think "7000 years"? Where did that number come from?

Well, when I was on the causal plane it was timeless... but I was chasing a female counterpart trying to get laid or the equivalent of getting laid on the causal plane... she ducked into a vortex and like an idiot I followed... next thing I knew I was in the middle of a great physical plane war... I eventually got laid in a physical sense but I don't thing I ever had a relationship with the one I chased into the vortex to my knowledge (tho I met her in this life... she was my psychotherapist who I almost made break her ethical code we did have a sexual bond but we both thought better of it.) I reckon the war happened about 7000 years ago.

S.

[Pauli2]

As I recall one of the trainers at TMI told me this in a discussion... as I stated... Joe McMonagle says 'Ultimate Journey' is not Monroe's work... it is ghost written under the direction of the publisher.

I've read it a little differently. Monroe included a quote to Nancy at start of every chapter and had great difficulties finishing the book. Someone (his daughter?) took over and finished it and together with the publisher they removed the quotes to Nancy as the quotes didn't fit into the rest of the book. Remember that Monroe was quite old at that time and not really healthy. The "ghost writer" didn't add/remove much to the book.

This in not true. You are thinking in a human linear fashion. The Facilitator can potentially come and go as he desires... creating specific illusions... people wouldn't notice it. Remember Frank Kepple says that consciousness is 'one' everything is going on all at the same time... there is no linear time... there is only focused attention and shifting and changing your focus... if you know how to do it... it is childs play for a Transcendent. Everything in the universe has already happened and is happening all at the same time.

Creating illusions can only be done to a limited degree in the physical. Eventually flaws would show up in the Facilitator's facade.

I don't believe that everything already has happened or is happening at the same time. If you have read Bruce Moen's work you will note that when the Planning Intelligence makes plans, it constantly adapts Events & peoples wishes in the ELS to match the linear Big Clock.

If you have read Bruce Moen's work you will note that when Monroe was interacting with different groups during a focus 34 session he split himself into hundreds of parts and was interacting with all the groups at the same time... this is not a problem for a light being... Avatar level being.

I don't remember that it was _hundreds_ of parts, and he still had to pull himself together to do the final interaction. Anyway, the multi-interaction could have been a regular R Bruce mind split, just done in the astral.

[Seraphis1]

I've read it a little differently. Monroe included a quote to Nancy at start of every chapter and had great difficulties finishing the book. Someone (his daughter?) took over and finished it and together with the publisher they removed the quotes to Nancy as the quotes didn't fit into the rest of the book. Remember that Monroe was quite old at that time and not really healthy. The "ghost writer" didn't add/remove much to the book.
[/qoute]

My source is Joe McMonacle who is currently in possession of the manuscript.

S.

[Seraphis1]

Creating illusions can only be done to a limited degree in the physical. Eventually flaws would show up in the Facilitator's facade.

I don't believe that everything already has happened or is happening at the same time. If you have read Bruce Moen's work you will note that when the Planning Intelligence makes plans, it constantly adapts Events & peoples wishes in the ELS to match the linear Big Clock.


I don't remember that it was _hundreds_ of parts, and he still had to pull himself together to do the final interaction. Anyway, the multi-interaction could have been a regular R Bruce mind split, just done in the astral.

3) Frank's findings concerning the concept of reincarnation
Reincarnation is a confusing issue. I used to subscribe to the notion that we all lived
sequential human lives, one after the other, as did Monroe. You will find that the
standard concept of reincarnation runs through his work. However I have now
come to the conclusion that this is not quite right. It is fair to say, from a Focus 4
perspective, that we all certainly do experience many, many human lives. The
difference is, we don't experience them sequentially, we experience them all
simultaneously. S

[Pauli2]

My source is Joe McMonacle who is currently in possession of the manuscript.

You may be more right than I am, as I only have read the publishing info on a forum.

If McMonagle only would hand over some part of the script to a publisher, I would be happy.

I still view it as a possibility that the Facilitator was some kind of "creation" with the possible goal to give Monroe yet another astral lesson. If the Facilitator is a real person, I guess s/he will stay physical until The Gathering, as the Facilitator already has been here for 1800 years.

Wasn't it also the case that the Facilitator appeared as neither man nor woman, which gives me the impression that the Facilitator could be several super-imposed personalities, or even the _full_ reincarnation of a (completed?) I-There. Would that make sense to you, that the Facilitator is not a single person, but a full I-There?

One interesting question is what kind of subject the Facilitator worked in as a professor? I would suspect that University subject to be either personal development or something for the good of man, like environmental or ecological improvements. Do you have any guess on the professor's direction or target students?

[Seraphis1]

You may be more right than I am, as I only have read the publishing info on a forum.

If McMonagle only would hand over some part of the script to a publisher, I would be happy.

MoMonagle said it was never going to be published... but Rosalind McKnight before she died and her last lecture to TMI students that I know of said that the book had UFO stuff in it and that a friend of Monroe's had an even more comprehensive and detailed account of aliens etc... but he also couldn't get published... unless McMonagle destroys the manuscript... his heir may have a different idea... he was Monroe's son-in-law and whoever inherits may be in the Monroe family.

I still view it as a possibility that the Facilitator was some kind of "creation" with the possible goal to give Monroe yet another astral lesson. If the Facilitator is a real person, I guess s/he will stay physical until The Gathering, as the Facilitator already has been here for 1800 years.

Wasn't it also the case that the Facilitator appeared as neither man nor woman, which gives me the impression that the Facilitator could be several super-imposed personalities, or even the _full_ reincarnation of a (completed?) I-There. Would that make sense to you, that the Facilitator is not a single person, but a full I-There?

The beauty of what we do is that as we get better and better at the non-physical stuff we won't have to speculate we will be able to get factual answers to our questions... from The Library and the CW's in the upper focus areas... my guess is that he simply transcended and then decided to stay in the physical plane and created a light body... this is what I thought someone out there with more experience and ability to access CW's might be able to get an answer for... but I guess you and I will have to do it.. LOL!!

He was male/female... the literature says that a transcendent is perfectly balanced between the male and female principle... Kundalini is the female energy locked in muladhara... when, she is released she rushes up the spinal column and achieves an orgarmic high plane sexual union with the Male principle in the Crown chakra... thus transcendence is achieved and the being is neither male nor female, yet both at the same time ... manifest and unmanifest... at this point one makes a decision to stay in the physical or depart...

By the way, the greatest conman of this century got a job at a hospital and actually rose to be the head of a surgery department for years and to my knowledge never got caught he simply decided to somethingelse as I recall the story... so it seems to be quite easy to do whatever you want if you are good at manipulating people.

One interesting question is what kind of subject the Facilitator worked in as a professor? I would suspect that University subject to be either personal development or something for the good of man, like environmental or ecological improvements. Do you have any guess on the professor's direction or target students?

I guess he was a philosophy professor... from what I remember of the text... but I no longer have 'Ultimate Journey' lost in moving etc...

S.

[Pauli2]

... but I guess you and I will have to do it.. LOL!!

Hmm... I will have to succeed in my OBE attempts at least once in that case, not just having short, random LDs.

I guess he was a philosophy professor... from what I remember of the text... but I no longer have 'Ultimate Journey' lost in moving etc...

Philosophy in the western world has become a language-understanding science. There is less metha-physics in philosophy than ever..

I too am without my Ultimate Journey, but hope to get it back soon.

[Pauli2]

This reminds me of the Tricking of Gylfi (Ganglere) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gylfaginning. The God Odin tricked the ruler on his astral travel.

Ganglere ends up on a true Lovecraft Plateau of Leng...

The "Facilitator" of that time had split into three; Hög, Jämnhög and Tredje. These names can be translated into English to mean; Tall, Equally Tall and Third. I would say Odin lacked some good fantasy when it came to inventing names.