Why wouldn't NEGs exist?

[CFTraveler]

Wait i dont understand the train of thought. Do most of the people only believe Negs Dont exist? Or other astral or spiritual Entitys in general dont exist? What's the deciding fact over choosing one over the other?

IMO, worldview.  I think the fear of some nonphysical entity existing outside of someone's control may be too scary or offensive to their worldview.
At the same time, the idea of negs being in 'someone's head' sounds a little too much like being told they're crazy, so there is also the fear of it being true.
So really, I think a lot of this is either a matter of upbringing, possibly religious or metaphysical worldview, or fear.

[Xanth]

I never encountered a "neg" but i did encounter a non-human entity and i KNOW for a FACT she existed "outside" from me. 

I speak of "negs" in the manner that people speak of "demons" and things that go bump in the night.
There are, most definitely, entities "out there" in other areas of consciousness.  Actually, I believe the "real" ones reside in the area I call Focus 3 oC.

[bluremi]

Habit of perception.  But ask any quantum physicist and (s)he'll tell you it is not uniform and unchanging, it just seems that way.
Provided the account is indeed of an objective nonphysical reality, the answer would be "Because of the uncertainty principle".  In solid reality, the uncertainty principle is very small, due to the slow frequency of what we see.  As frequencies become higher, the uncertainty principle gets bigger, until, if things get fast and/or small enough, the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know everything about an object's location, and this, according to Schrodinger's theory, is virtually the same thing as saying that it may or may not exist as what we believe we know about it.
If you apply this reasoning to the astral, you will see, that if you go with the perception that the astral is a state of high/frequency or what has been called 'quantum scale', then it would seem that the astral behaves exactly the same as matter would, given known physical laws.  Or hypotheses, anyway.

There's a lot of handwaving there. You're conflating a property of subatomic particles with our perception of the world. We don't perceive things at quantum speeds or scales, so drawing a line between the uncertainty principle and the transiency of the astral is a non-sequitur. You might as well question what happens to gravity or the strong nuclear force in the astral.

[CFTraveler]

You're conflating a property of subatomic particles with our perception of the world.

Because that's all I've got.  We can explain the astral in many ways, but IMO it's better to look at a model that most resembles what we think we know about reality.  If there is a correlation, then why not use it instead of inventing other possible scenarios?

We don't perceive things at quantum speeds or scales,

Not in waking reality while using our five senses- but if we consider the possibility that an astral projection is a projection of consciousness into or in synch with quantum speed or scales, it can be explained that way.  You don't have to buy it, but it is simply drawing from what we think we know about the physical.

so drawing a line between the uncertainty principle and the transiency of the astral is a non-sequitur

So you would think, but you followed it anyway.

[Killa Rican]

Ah, okay. Gotcha Xanth and CTF!

On To the topic about a shared consciousness though when it comes to other entity's I am ultimately convinced that they are other realms that co-exist with our "Reality". I know some may consider this subjective, but reason so was because I had an entity stay with me for a few months of my life, which other "Gifted" people picked up on her without me telling them of anything. There's really no explanation beside it. This was outside of an OBE though btw.

But just my 2 cents. Other realms exist beside our's, and our mind is the only way to objectively perceive them once we can learn to tame our minds.

[Xanth]

A shared consciousness...

As I said in another thread, I'm actually on the fence about that one.
I see two (yes, there could potentially be more scenarios here) possible scenarios...

The RTZ is a collective consciousness area created along with the physical.
and
The RTZ is simple a Focus 2 oC astral environment, which would make it a personal environment.

I see evidence to support both theories at the moment.  LoL
Which is why I'm rather confused and "on the fence". 

I mean, on one hand you have reports of people talking to and meeting other people in this RTZ.  This would seem to point to a collective consciousness-type area.
And on the other hand, you have reality fluctuations... which clearly denote Focus 2 oC behaviour.

I mean, I guess there could be a Focus 1/2 overlay experience happening, which might just explain that away...  but I dunno.

Anyways, sorry... just thinking outloud. 

[bluremi]

Because that's all I've got.  We can explain the astral in many ways, but IMO it's better to look at a model that most resembles what we think we know about reality.  If there is a correlation, then why not use it instead of inventing other possible scenarios? Not in waking reality while using our five senses- but if we consider the possibility that an astral projection is a projection of consciousness into or in synch with quantum speed or scales, it can be explained that way.  You don't have to buy it, but it is simply drawing from what we think we know about the physical.

I think you are trying to match facts to suit a theory, instead of the other way around. Starting from the assumption that the astral is at some level an objective reality is to throw the whole concept of a hypothesis out the window. David Warner's up to a similar thing in his "validation" journal, trying to prove his astral experiences are real instead of trying to find out whether they are or not.

[Xanth]

I think you are trying to match facts to suit a theory, instead of the other way around. Starting from the assumption that the astral is at some level an objective reality is to throw the whole concept of a hypothesis out the window. David Warner's up to a similar thing in his "validation" journal, trying to prove his astral experiences are real instead of trying to find out whether they are or not.

We gotta start somewhere...
Where ever *you* decide to start from will determine how you view things.

CFT has decided to start from her perspective.
I started from my perspective.
Other people started from their perspective.

None of them are wrong. 

[CFTraveler]

I think you are trying to match facts to suit a theory, instead of the other way around.

Of course I'm trying to match facts to a theory.  It doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss facts to suit it- it simply is one possibility of many.

Starting from the assumption that the astral is at some level an objective reality is to throw the whole concept of a hypothesis out the window.

No, it's just a different way to look at it, just as assuming it's a completely subjective reality would be.  
I'm not the one throwing hypotheses out the window, just suggesting one more possibility.
Cheers.

[bluremi]

Sorry if I sound militant. I've actually chilled out a lot since watching Inception, that movie has a very good understanding of subjective reality and what it means to an individual.