Help me astral project!

[mooncresentgirl]

I'm looking for someone who can astral project to my house and take me out of my body at night. If you can do this please respond back and we'll try this for some nights until we get it.

[personalreality]

you can't rely on external sources to achieve projection.

the more successful route would be to put the effort into training your mind and body.  it might take longer, but you'll be happier in the end when you can project on cue whenever you want.

[NoY]

if you sign up for a corse at hermeticuniversityonline.com
they pull you out at night and take you to the pyramids or a blackhole etc

it cost $20 when i went there

:NoY:

[mooncresentgirl]

NoY, did you get pulled out of your body also?

[2beOrNot2be]

I like the sound of this idea!...

Anywhere else you can get this done apart from hermeticuniversityonline.com? I read there site, but I don't trust when people mention magic, demons and the occult.

Cheers

[NoY]

yes they pulled me out lots of times

:NoY:

[krobin1533]

I am also learning ap and to me what you are requesting seams crazy! I wouldn't consider something like this until I tried everything else. Maybe it's just me but that just doesn't seam like a good idea. But like I said I would consider it if nothing else is working.

[Xanth]

The best idea is to just be persistent and learn to do it yourself. 

[personalreality]

I like the sound of this idea!...

Anywhere else you can get this done apart from hermeticuniversityonline.com? I read there site, but I don't trust when people mention magic, demons and the occult.

Cheers

if you're of that sentiment then you ought to believe it's all in their minds anyway, so if you don't believe it, it's not a problem.

otherwise, the word occult just means "hidden".  the occult and magic isn't inherently evil.  anything can be turned "evil" by the person using it.  so if you don't trust occult groups because it might be "evil" then your probably shouldn't trust science, politics, education, marketing, capitalism, religion, technology, on and on and on and on.  Anything can be "evil". 

most practitioners that are labeled "occult" or "pagan" or "magicians" are better people than you or I.  they tend to be more open, accepting and humble.  not to mention compassionate.  they are usually dedicated to a practice that they do every single day and these spiritual practices open them up to the greater reality, a vantage point that allows one to see our world from a more "sagely" perspective.  you would be achieving the same end by practicing astral projection, so you have a lot more in common with them than "normal" people.

but whatever you're comfortable with i suppose.  people just get the wrong idea about magic and the occult.  in my opinion, everything we do is magic, the manipulation of astral energies.  every choice we make, everytime we exert our will on our environment.

[moondreamer]

if you're of that sentiment then you ought to believe it's all in their minds anyway, so if you don't believe it, it's not a problem.

otherwise, the word occult just means "hidden".  the occult and magic isn't inherently evil.  anything can be turned "evil" by the person using it.  so if you don't trust occult groups because it might be "evil" then your probably should trust science, politics, education, marketing, capitalism, religion, technology, on and on and on and on.  Anything can be "evil". 

most practitioners that are labeled "occult" or "pagan" or "magicians" are better people than you or I.  they tend to be more open, accepting and humble.  not to mention compassionate.  they are usually dedicated to a practice that they do every single day and these spiritual practices open them up to the greater reality, a vantage point that allows one to see our world from a more "sagely" perspective.  you would be achieving the same end by practicing astral projection, so you have a lot more in common with them than "normal" people.

but whatever you're comfortable with i suppose.  people just get the wrong idea about magic and the occult.  in my opinion, everything we do is magic, the manipulation of astral energies.  every choice we make, everytime we exert our will on our environment.

Well said PR.

Just wanted to add that I have been pulled out by my guides (who I have a good relationship with) before, and you might try meditating and asking them for help.  This is a good step to learning to do it yourself.

[personalreality]

I am also learning ap and to me what you are requesting seams crazy! I wouldn't consider something like this until I tried everything else. Maybe it's just me but that just doesn't seam like a good idea. But like I said I would consider it if nothing else is working.

the problem is that if it does work, it's a short cut.  maybe in other pursuits that's not such a bad think (work smarter not harder), but in this kind of activity i don't think the short road is the smart road.  if AP is something you want to do for a long time (your whole life maybe?) then you'd do better to learn the skills involved so that you can have total control of your experience.

though, some people seem to need validation that AP/OBE/etc. is real before they can get over the hump and do it on their own.  but this is in the same vein as drugs and other artificial projection methods.  you might get there, but you'll probably be disoriented and you may even overshoot your goal and be lost.  the one redeeming quality of being assisted out of the body is that you would then have a guide with you to help keep you on track. 

[personalreality]

Well said PR.

Just wanted to add that I have been pulled out by my guides (who I have a good relationship with) before, and you might try meditating and asking them for help.  This is a good step to learning to do it yourself.

depending on your perspective, asking a guide to assist is different from asking a physical person.  for many, a guide is your own mind, your higher self, and in that regard, it's still you doing the work.  if the guide is autonomous, it's still a being that you have an intimate connection with.  so somehow i don't feel like asking a guide is the same as asking another person.  so i agree with you moondreamer, asking for the help of guides (or subconscious, higher self, whatever) is a good idea.  If nothing else mooncrescentgirl, you'd be implanting the idea in your subconscious mind by asking for the help of guides, which may be helpful in overcoming barriers.

[2beOrNot2be]

if you're of that sentiment then you ought to believe it's all in their minds anyway, so if you don't believe it, it's not a problem.

I often find people who try and 'force' beliefs/opinions onto others are often not convinced in there own. Otherwise why would they do it?

[Taoistguy]

if you sign up for a corse at hermeticuniversityonline.com
they pull you out at night and take you to the pyramids or a blackhole etc

it cost $20 when i went there

:NoY:

I;m fascinated. Did it work?
What happened?
Did you go back to them for another session?

[Jarrod]

I've requested the same thing at a few different places, including here.  I'm aware that developing the skills yourself is the only way to master it in the long run, but the first experience is very important for a beginner so a little assistance wouldn't really hurt anything I don't think.  And also, couldn't the assisting person try to find you in your dreams and help you to achieve lucidity rather than pulling you out of your body.  That seems easier.  I think a little assistance would really help if the person used the experience, and the memory of the experience, for practice and to motivate them, and didn't just rely on it like a drug.  I've also asked my guide(s) to help me become lucid while dreaming.  Never gotten a response.

[AlanRK]

Learn to do it yourself, that is all that really needs to be said. Is it difficult? Yes. Is it worth the difficulty? Well, since the astral is of infinite scope, yes X infinity.

[personalreality]

I;m fascinated. Did it work?
What happened?
Did you go back to them for another session?

from stories he's told me in the chat room it was successful, but he didn't stay with the group for too terribly long.