Noy's suggestion

[Naykid]

I think Noy's suggestion was a great one!  But seeings how Adrian is gone for long period of times and there are basically only two moderators, I think it would be fine to add a sticky here in the chat and name it something like...  Conflict Corner..  and have a basic warning that if you don't want to hear something you don't like... DO NOT ENTER. 

I've been on sites where they have things like this and when bickering or whatnot shows up in a thread, they move that particular part into the specified area.  I think this would be quite nice to have because I for one hate it when I'm cut off simply because someone doesn't want to hear me out.  I don't think many people like that feeling of not being heard.

Suggestions....comments?

[manwesulimo2004]

I like the idea. But I'm not a very active poster so I suppose my opinion has little value.

[Xanth]

I'll basically give my two cents here...

I'm opposed to the idea. 

Although, it a good idea, definitely, HOWEVER regardless of the "disclaimers" and "warnings" that is put on it people WILL enter it and they WILL get offended and they WILL respond to it...

I think it's just better to nip it in the bud... but as I said I did bring it up in the moderator forum and we'll see what everyone else has to say about it. 

[Naykid]

I'll basically give my two cents here...

I'm opposed to the idea. 

Although, it a good idea, definitely, HOWEVER regardless of the "disclaimers" and "warnings" that is put on it people WILL enter it and they WILL get offended and they WILL respond to it...

I think it's just better to nip it in the bud... but as I said I did bring it up in the moderator forum and we'll see what everyone else has to say about it. 

That's the whole point.  It's would OK to respond, in the designated area.  Not everyone is made of glass and some ppl don't mind a debate.  I guess you could say that if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.    I mean as long as people aren't calling names, and saying stuff like they wish they would die..etc.  I don't see what the problem is.  When I was a moderator, some people harassed me everyday, but I didn't cry foul and delete or ban them.  One guy said he was going to kill Frank and me both he was allowed to stay and express his feelings.  Of course everyone thought he was koo-koo for cocoa puffs and the date came and went and all was fine.  Some even thought it was a good laugh. 

I'm just saying.  It's seems like walking on egg shells around here lately, and I was hoping to get rid of that feeling.   Like right now, I'm expressing my opinion and I feel like this thread is going to be locked.

[Xanth]

I guess I just don't think it'll end up that way. 

But as I said, regardless of my own personal feelings regarding it... it's up for discussion in the moderator section.

[Naykid]

I guess I just don't think it'll end up that way. 

But as I said, regardless of my own personal feelings regarding it... it's up for discussion in the moderator section.

hehehe, you never let it play out before seeing.    But thanks Xanth, I do appreciate that. 

[personalreality]

the problem is that a place like that would quickly turn from critical analysis to sh*t talking.  it would be nothing but people talking crap about other people.  how is that productive for personal growth?  i guess if you're that emotionally disturbed and really need to put other people down to feel good about yourself then maybe it's some kind of growth.  i don't really see how something like that would be a benefit though.  it would just be a place to banish people when they're knocking a thread off track.

some people might want a place like that but only because they're tired of watching other people derail threads over personal vendettas....

i think it's a bad idea.  it's giving people permission to forget about compassion and be cruel.

[Pauli2]

All attempts I've seen on "war zones" and "bullsh*t areas" has turned out crap. Really crap. Same goes for anonymous confessions areas, where people tend to attack each others instead of confessing. AP is not intended for crap, so we could leave that out.

[Naykid]

No, no... you are misunderstanding me.  It would not be allowed to sh*t talk ppl.  

Ok..let give an example.  For like right now for instance, I think your are talking between the lines and are referring to how you think I'm am... Like the passive aggressive comment yesterday, yet it is you being passive aggressive.  See.. I'm not offended by what you have to say, and I hope that you won't be offended by what I have just said.  

No ones been put to death or called names.    It's OK to have debate and discussions.  I think it takes more compassion to be open to other people's criticism than to get all ticked and then yell foul.  How can people learn if they can't even learn how to listen to others without getting upset?  I think it's a great lesson when you can receive criticism and learn from it not hide from it.  There are reasons why we get upset at people's actions and words and I'm not talking about just here, but in our lives.  It's physically painful to face our own faults.

I'm not looking for a section of forum so I can bash you or anyone else.  I just want an open and fair debate without the fear of being censored, deleted or banned.  Maybe I'll be able to express myself better later.  Perhaps my higher self, or guide will give me some.  

[Naykid]

All attempts I've seen on "war zones" and "bullsh*t areas" has turned out crap. Really crap. Same goes for anonymous confessions areas, where people tend to attack each others instead of confessing. AP is not intended for crap, so we could leave that out.

OK.. this is good! 

Now may I counter that with I mean no offense, but you are on the IRC chat everyday with Xanth and PR who curiously enough both feel the same way.  See?  That's my point.. it has seemed that some kind of little clique has formed on the boards and it is making it difficult for others to have a different opinion than said few.  Now normally I wouldn't even been able to get this far with my opinion because part of the 'clique' had already deemed it unnecessary and stupid and Xanth would have locked it.

THIS is my very point.  I'm not out to slander or hurt, I'm out to be heard without censor.  And I've been trying to say that for awhile but keep getting shut up or out.  I'm actually very easy to get along with.   

[personalreality]

This right here is the epitome of the problem.

Criticism is more than welcome in the normal forums, that's what this place is for.  But some people don't seem to understand the difference between critical analysis of theories, techniques, experiences, etc. and people.  You want to call out the flaws in the way individuals perceive their reality.  The pulse should be about critical analysis of data, not people.  I can't count the number of times a thread goes south because some people would rather criticize the poster/member and not what they posted.

No matter how much someone might think that a forum like that would help, all it really is going to be is a place for people to criticize other people and not our thoughts and theories.  I don't want to be a member of a place like that. 

Oh yea, there wasn't really anything "between the lines" of my passive aggressive comment.  It was supposed to be ironic.  I was calling out your passive aggression by being passive aggressive.  Just a bit of fun.  I thought we'd all have a good laugh over it, no ill intent.

[Naykid]

This right here is the epitome of the problem.

Criticism is more than welcome in the normal forums, that's what this place is for.  But some people don't seem to understand the difference between critical analysis of theories, techniques, experiences, etc. and people.  You want to call out the flaws in the way individuals perceive their reality.  The pulse should be about critical analysis of data, not people.  I can't count the number of times a thread goes south because some people would rather criticize the poster/member and not what they posted.

No matter how much someone might think that a forum like that would help, all it really is going to be is a place for people to criticize other people and not our thoughts and theories.  I don't want to be a member of a place like that.  

Oh yea, there wasn't really anything "between the lines" of my passive aggressive comment.  It was supposed to be ironic.  I was calling out your passive aggression by being passive aggressive.  Just a bit of fun.  I thought we'd all have a good laugh over it, no ill intent.

SEE?  Isn't it great that we can speak to each other without having the thread locked?  I think it's wonderful.  How bout we just agree to be able to speak our minds without having anyone banned, deleted or censored and then we can forget about the idea of a separate section?  Cool?    I do find it interesting that you think I'm passive aggressive.  I'm not passive about anything.    I'm pretty much in your face, hence this whole conversation.

[Tiny]

I will try to behave this time      




For the peace, I will make every member here who wants it a gif of his/her favorite scene for free!!
Just send me a link to the video and the clipping (like 1:03 - 1:05)



kind regards,

Paul

[Xanth]

SEE?  Isn't it great that we can speak to each other without having the thread locked?

Well, if we're being honest here...

The members job isn't to question the rules.
The members job is the FOLLOW the rules.

Threads get locked because of many reasons... none of which you need to be privy to. 

I think it's wonderful.  How bout we just agree to be able to speak our minds without having anyone banned, deleted or censored and then we can forget about the idea of a separate section?  Cool?    I do find it interesting that you think I'm passive aggressive.  I'm not passive about anything.    I'm pretty much in your face, hence this whole conversation.

Because some people just can't handle that kind of openness.  They'll happily take that freedom and LITERALLY tinkle on everyone using it.  THAT is why it hasn't happened in the past and probably why it won't happen in the future.

And I don't mean to be blunt here... but the Astral Pulse isn't a democracy.   

[Naykid]

Well, if we're being honest here...

The members job isn't to question the rules.
The members job is the FOLLOW the rules.

Threads get locked because of many reasons... none of which you need to be privy to.  
Because some people just can't handle that kind of openness.  They'll happily take that freedom and LITERALLY tinkle on everyone using it.  THAT is why it hasn't happened in the past and probably why it won't happen in the future.

And I don't mean to be blunt here... but the Astral Pulse isn't a democracy.    

Why can't I question the rules?  That doesn't seem very fair or gracious, which I think should be one of the attributes a moderator should have.  I don't see why you are so uptight about being a moderator.  

Threads get locked because of many reasons... none of which you need to be privy to.  

I don't think this would have bothered me so much had you left out the weird wink.  What does that mean anyways?  You say something and then wink, I don't get if you are being rude or trying to be funny.  It's like I'm some child and you are patting me on the head and telling me to leave it to the adults.  That's IT!  It comes off as condescending, now I see why I dislike it when you use the smilely for evil.  

I do not mind you being blunt Xanth, in fact I prefer it.  It helps me to get to know everyone better too.  I don't agree that this forum is only for scientific banter.  We are all humans and we should learn all aspects of it from each other.  I've learned today that I can communicate in not such a harsh way if I just take a moment to myself first.  Meditate on it, if you will.

It's sad that you don't think that Adrian wanted people to feel they could express themselves.  Why can't this be a democracy?  Doesn't the very definition mean, "The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community"...?  Or do you think Adrian created this site so he could just stand on a pillar of gold and make everyone listen to his beliefs without question?  I don't know.. I'm thinking Adrian didn't have that in mind, that's not the impression I got from the conversations we have had over the years.

I still think this is wonderful and refreshing to be able to even have THIS conversation.  I don't think it would have happen 24hrs ago.

Thanks again for not locking it.  

[NoY]

Well, if we're being honest here...

The members job isn't to question the rules.
The members job is the FOLLOW the rules.

Threads get locked because of many reasons... none of which you need to be privy to. 
Because some people just can't handle that kind of openness.  They'll happily take that freedom and LITERALLY tinkle on everyone using it.  THAT is why it hasn't happened in the past and probably why it won't happen in the future.

And I don't mean to be blunt here... but the Astral Pulse isn't a democracy.   

Booooooo!

[Naykid]

 

Silly Noy. 

[Xanth]

ROFL!

Tinkle...

I gotta change that.  >_< LOL

And Nay, if you want to question the rules you PM the moderators.
If the moderators are unable to answer your question or provide an answer to the extent to which you would like... then you PM Adrian.

You don't do it publically.
You of all people should know how this works by now. 

[Naykid]

Yeah, the tinkle was put up in the word censor one day when Frank was bored or something.    I used to say tinkle instead of p!ss. 

Xanth I don't want to question the rules, you missed my point.  I thought it was a little rude when you said

The members job isn't to question the rules.
The members job is the FOLLOW the rules.

it sounded very arrogant and uncalled for.  Just pointing that out. 

And there's that wink again.

[Xanth]

You may take it however you wish, Nay.

If you wish to question the rules... try PMing a Moderator and if that doesn't net you the desired results, PM Adrian.
It's really just that simple.

If you're here on the forums, I'd like to think you're here to help people learn how to Astral Project... NOT to discuss what you believe proper moderator code of conduct is.