do astral kingdoms seem real?

[Xanth]

Thats right!  

If you're gonna research the OBE phenomenon properly you have to keep open the possibility  we're all dreaming while we OBE

We're all dreaming right now.  ^_~

[Fresco]

We're all dreaming right now.  ^_~

I have yet to fully comprehend the true meaning of that

[Greytraveller]

Xanth, you wrote

We're all dreaming right now.  ^_~

Could you elaborate a bit on that statement.
I thought/think that I am awake but am open to most possibilities. 

Curious 
Grey

[Xanth]

Xanth, you wrote
Could you elaborate a bit on that statement.
I thought/think that I am awake but am open to most possibilities. 

Curious 
Grey

Well, if what we consider to be a "dream" is just another state of consciousness in another area of consciousness... then, the next step, is assuming that when we're "there" we're the same as if we were "here" while awake.  So that would make THIS a dream just as much as we believe the "there" is a dream. 

Clear as mud?  LOL

Basically, I see consciousness as existing everywhere simultaneously... it's why I say that what we call a "dream" doesn't really even exist.  What we call a "dream" is simply another form of existing.

[Monk]

Ohh come oh, how could you deny that it exists? It clearly exists in our subjective experiences and in our perceptions 

[Tiny]

xanthorance is bliss...

[Xanth]

xanthorance is bliss...

Excuse me?

[Fresco]

I bet tiny and Monk had a little too much of the spiked eggnog last night 

I should know cause I plan on having much of the same this week 

[Monk]

Hey now... our self-indulgances are of our concerns only lol

[Xanth]

Yes, indeed.

I'd like to point out that if you have a problem with something someone has said or an opinion they hold... attack the "something" or the "opinion", not the person themselves.

Thanks.

[Fresco]

Yes, indeed.

I'd like to point out that if you have a problem with something someone has said or an opinion they hold... attack the "something" or the "opinion", not the person themselves.

Thanks.

Whoa, are you referring to me??! 
I was only kidding about the eggnog.  Drink away people!   I'm all for that.

Cheers 

[Xanth]

Whoa, are you referring to me??! 
I was only kidding about the eggnog.  Drink away people!   I'm all for that.

Cheers 

While I find eggnog quite revolting... no, I wasn't referring to you, Fresco.
Yur ma T Dot homey! 

[Fresco]

Yur ma T Dot homey! 

Fa real, dawg!!!   

[Greytraveller]

Xanth, you wrote

Well, if what we consider to be a "dream" is just another state of consciousness in another area of consciousness... then, the next step, is assuming that when we're "there" we're the same as if we were "here" while awake.  So that would make THIS a dream just as much as we believe the "there" is a dream.  Smiley

Clear as mud?  LOL

Basically, I see consciousness as existing everywhere simultaneously... it's why I say that what we call a "dream" doesn't really even exist.  What we call a "dream" is simply another form of existing.

A pretty clear and lucid explanation. And one that I agree with in principle. In practice, however, there are very difficult barriers to overcome to access certain levels or areas of consciousness. The Out of Body consciousness is one of the most difficult areas to access. That is why I delineate and divide these areas of consciousness as separate and unique.
One could claim that I see the glass as half empty while you see the same glass as half full. Six of one kind or a half dozen of the other. Same thing and different description. 

Regards 
Grey