Talking to guides whilst I am in a dream, not knowing what is taking place?

[Athymari]

Often I have woke up to find the last of a thought/sentance going through my head. I realise I am thinking it/it is there a second after fully awaking. After this first second, i think ' what/why was I just thinking that'.

This happens after the dream has ended and within the first second of feeling I am lying in bed. The blackness inbetween dream and being in bed. It is usually the last half of a sentance and it seems like i am talking to someone about something. The thought stops suddenly as soon as i am aware I am having it. I am 100% sure it is nothing to do with my dream. The thought in my head is me, but I can HEAR it as a voice as if someone (me) is stood in my brain talking.

Its almost like walking into a room hearing someone say something and they stop as soon as they are aware you are there listening.

I wondered recently if whilst I am trapped in my dreams a higher version/my subconcious is in constant communication is my guides.

This give me mixed feelings. Great! This is what I want and I am trying to achieve.....Though whats the point of learning if I do not have access to all this and its me, here now that wants to know and is working toward it without getting the results to then act on to continue. I am constantly trapped at the first stage, so to speak.

Its like wanting to learn Spanish. Though the language is trapped in your subconious, you can not get to. You know, but its useless as its not 'you' that knows it.

Anyone have any thoguhts on this? Have you known anything similar?

[daytona955]

I have had similar experiences upon awakening. I usually forget straight away what it was I was talking about or sometimes I completely fail to understand what it was!
I had an experience recently where I woke up and I remember going through a thought process and it made absolute perfect sense, but whilst I was awake and thinking about it, I all of a sudden couldn't make any sense of it what so ever, and then I completely forgot what it was I was thinking about! I think it might have something to do with the limitations of the physical mind? I imagine that upon waking my epiphany just dissolved because the thought processes of my brain could no longer cope with what I was contemplating, whatever i was!! Strange but intriguing.

[Athymari]

I have had similar experiences upon awakening. I usually forget straight away what it was I was talking about or sometimes I completely fail to understand what it was!
I had an experience recently where I woke up and I remember going through a thought process and it made absolute perfect sense, but whilst I was awake and thinking about it, I all of a sudden couldn't make any sense of it what so ever, and then I completely forgot what it was I was thinking about!

That is exactly what it is like for me. In that spilt second i hear it and all makes sense then suddenly it doesnt then I cant remember it. It seems as though there are two of me. The one doing the thinking or more like talking and the one listening in wondering what one earth she is talking about.. oh thats an interesting way to see it.

[Naykid]

I think this is normal and I have no idea what IT is..    I've heard stupid things whilst going to sleep and upon waking up since I can remember and most of the time it makes no sense what so ever, but like you Athymari, sometimes during it, it feels like it's the most important thing in the world.   

It might just be mind clutter.

[Timandra]

Often I have woke up to find the last of a thought/sentance going through my head. I realise I am thinking it/it is there a second after fully awaking. After this first second, i think ' what/why was I just thinking that'.

This happens after the dream has ended and within the first second of feeling I am lying in bed. The blackness inbetween dream and being in bed. It is usually the last half of a sentance and it seems like i am talking to someone about something. The thought stops suddenly as soon as i am aware I am having it. I am 100% sure it is nothing to do with my dream. The thought in my head is me, but I can HEAR it as a voice as if someone (me) is stood in my brain talking.

I am having this too, almost every morning, and sometimes during my meditations. To me, the sentences make sense and are usually advice, or insights or encouragements. Sometimes they are parts of sentences and I have no clue what it is about, it sounds like some advanced information about subjects, lessons perhaps. I always write down what I hear/remember and have already 2 notebooks full of them. (paper notebooks)

I wondered recently if whilst I am trapped in my dreams a higher version/my subconcious is in constant communication is my guides

This thought exactly has also gone through my mind.

This give me mixed feelings. Great! This is what I want and I am trying to achieve.....Though whats the point of learning if I do not have access to all this and its me, here now that wants to know and is working toward it without getting the results to then act on to continue. I am constantly trapped at the first stage, so to speak.

Its like wanting to learn Spanish. Though the language is trapped in your subconious, you can not get to. You know, but its useless as its not 'you' that knows it.

This is what I also am sometimes frustated about. I really want to get to know these subjects and get the information, and I get only little bits and pieces.
For me, I don't think it's clutter, but something like conversations with a guide, or lessons from a teacher or your Higher Self. 

Did you ask this question before? It sounds so familiar to me.

[Volgerle]

I have these experiences, too. One night when I was thinking the whole day before about energy work and energy healing, it happened that during a dream someone talked to me and the feeling of what was being said (I have no literal transcript of it, just the "feel" of what was being said) was something like "why don't you activate them?".

Then I woke up because both of my hand palms had started with electrical energy sensations. Since then I can do energy work even better with my hands. Now, that was strange.

Another strange and more recent story of me waking up and muttering a strange "mantra" that seemed to be saved "over into the waking state" can be found here:

http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22759

Still, I haven't learnt anything from it so far. It remains a riddle to me.

[Athymari]

I can never remember what the sentances are. I think the most recent one I remembered for a few seconds but its gone now.

I believe you are right Timandra, I have asked this before ages ago. Though this sudden realisation of what it might be had me thinking.

I do not believe it is mind clutter also. There is a distinct difference between this and normal thoughts.

[Naykid]

I guess I'm not understanding.  When I hear snippits of what seems to a normal conversation, once I wake up, it is garble.  So, I just think of that as mind clutter.  Now, if I hear something that makes sense, that's a different story.

[Athymari]

At frst when you hear it you can understand words. but then it fades rather like a memory of a dream fades.

[daytona955]

I guess I'm not understanding.  When I hear snippits of what seems to a normal conversation, once I wake up, it is garble.  So, I just think of that as mind clutter.  Now, if I hear something that makes sense, that's a different story.

That's the whole point, for some reason it doesn't make sense?? I think it's because you are thinking about it with your physical mind?? Maybe?

[Naykid]

That's the whole point, for some reason it doesn't make sense?? I think it's because you are thinking about it with your physical mind?? Maybe?

Yeah. lol  Maybe we are describing two different things.  I mean, I've had instances where I'm almost awake and I can hear or I recollect that I heard a conversation, or music, and with that the feeling of it making sense, then I wake up completely and can barely make sense of it. 

Perhaps what is happening is...and this is a stretch mind you, that while in the astral I am having a true conversation with some entity but it's not with the normal language I'm use to and once I'm completely in the physical, it doesn't register.   

I'm not sure what you mean about my physical mind. lol  I hope I'm using my using it,....it's the only one I know of. 

[Athymari]

Yeah. lol  Maybe we are describing two different things.  I mean, I've had instances where I'm almost awake and I can hear or I recollect that I heard a conversation, or music, and with that the feeling of it making sense, then I wake up completely and can barely make sense of it. 

Perhaps what is happening is...and this is a stretch mind you, that while in the astral I am having a true conversation with some entity but it's not with the normal language I'm use to and once I'm completely in the physical, it doesn't register.   

I'm not sure what you mean about my physical mind. lol  I hope I'm using my using it,....it's the only one I know of. 

I beleive Nay means that your physical brain can not retain the knowledge so it lets it go. Like when you are learning to remember dreams it begins to fade until it bits and pieces and does make sense, then its just a blur.

[Naykid]

I beleive Nay means that your physical brain can not retain the knowledge so it lets it go. Like when you are learning to remember dreams it begins to fade until it bits and pieces and does make sense, then its just a blur.

Yes. 

[daytona955]

I'm not sure what you mean about my physical mind. lol  I hope I'm using my using it,....it's the only one I know of. 

I haven't a clue what I was on about either, sorry Naykid. From now on I'm banning myself from this site when I've had a too much to drink lol! 

[Naykid]

I haven't a clue what I was on about either, sorry Naykid. From now on I'm banning myself from this site when I've had a too much to drink lol! 

Yeah, drinking and posting can lead to misunderstandings.  I've read this thread a few times over the past couple days and this morning is the only time I've noticed that I had a grammar mistake in my comment, even when Athymari explained what I meant, I still didn't see it and I've been sober for some time now. 

[CFTraveler]

I think it was Bruce Moen who said (and it makes sense to me, which is why I'm pointing it out) that we have two kinds of dreams- the 'picture' dreams, which are most of the time the ones we remember, and in other parts of the cycle is the processing dreams, which are verbal, and consist of processing whatever we perceived, and how he describes it is that you 'relive something', and then your verbal brain chatters things by making associations, so that they can be retrieved later by those associations- and if you wake up while this processing is taking place, it sounds like chatter to you, although there's a method to the apparent madness.
Since it seems complicated, I'll make up an example:
I see my cat playing with a ball.
So I produce the image of my cat playing with the ball.  Then later, the verbal processing goes on like "cat" "furry" "warm" "meow" "play" "happy" "hungry" "bites" "claws" "fangs" "ball" etc. etc.  If you hear it it sounds like the cat runs  the furry fuzzy cuteness warm and fluffy meow loud wants to go out happy meow purr like a swarm of bees sounds soothing hungry gushifoods crunchy kibble thirsty water refreshing.... bla bla bla.....
So the purpose of this is to create the 'hololgraphic' memory that gets cross-indexed in many places in the brain, but it you didn't wake up in that time you don't realize you do this.
And, IMO we do this all the time, we just don't realize it because the process is done fast, and we use our conscious mind at a slower speed, and our attention is not on it.
But when you meditate and change your brainwave pattern, I think this is what we hear when we hear the snippets of the above.

ps.  BTW I don't mean to say I don't believe we have guides or that we talk to them- but I think that sometimes our guides communicate with us through us.  Kind of sort of.
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[Athymari]

I understand what you say, but this isnt gibberish. Its a proper sentance.

[Naykid]

Thank you for that CF!  That is exactly what I was trying to convey but I didn't even know it.  And I am not saying it wasn't a guide either, it could have been that.  I was just talking about the garble that I sometimes deal with.. now I know why.

Thanks again, CF.

[CFTraveler]

I understand what you say, but this isnt gibberish. Its a proper sentance.

You can have proper sentences too- it's part of the processing.  The thing is, that it could be a guide.  It's kind of tricky.

[Athymari]

What about talking to guides whilst actually asleep. A few times I have called out, verbally and metnally asking for my guides but I have yet not noticed them. I think maybe i am walking up to soon afterwards or maybe the dream in getting in the way and I cant see them.

[Xanth]

What about talking to guides whilst actually asleep. A few times I have called out, verbally and metnally asking for my guides but I have yet not noticed them. I think maybe i am walking up to soon afterwards or maybe the dream in getting in the way and I cant see them.

Are you talking about becoming lucid in your dreams and asking from there?
In my opinion, that's perfectly valid. 

I will suggest though that you keep trying... try to remain as open as possible, they could be talking to you in some form of nonverbal communication.
Communication might not come in the form of a 'person' standing infront of you talking.  It could come as a feeling... a distant voice... even memories flashing before you.  It could literally be anything... so just ask out, then remain open to whatever comes. 

[Athymari]

had a hell of a two days. how do you tell whats real from your imagination in terms of seeing things unravel in your mind/ seeing images against your eyelids from. I do not mind whilst in a trance, but simply geting comfy in a dark room and simply letting your mind clear. I do not mean various images but something when writen our becameas a full 'something happened'. I guess it was a journey/guided mendiation turned journey.

If you need more i can write and except from my diary to give you a clue. I write it as i saw it.

[Timandra]

It happened again this morning! I woke up and during the process, I heard a conversation. I tried to remember at least one sentence but when I was fully awake it all faded away. Except one thing, I knew what it was about. Someone was discussing an episode of Star Trek with me!  Lol!

[Athymari]

Star Trek?? LOL

Are you fan? Is there any reason you may be thining about it?

[Timandra]

Yes, I'm a huge fan, especially "The next generation" and "Voyager". It wouldn't be weird for me talking about it with someone.    Although I haven't thought about it for a long time, because it's not on tv at the moment.