answer to rangestormer dillima

[Loki999]

Rangstormer the reason you have had little to no success in 10 months is that, the truth is that 99% of the people here have not had a concise OBE or Lucid Dream why, becuase you cant just learn how its to complex or not even real if one could learn OBE woun;t you think that astral projection would be all the rage but no very few people have ever really had a true astral projections and usually they are on drugs or just plain crazy
Unfortunately you have fallen for the self help book industry scam buy this book for $29.99 and learn Astral projection in 90 days written by some sketch self help Guru with a marketing degree! And to prove my point look at the threads on this forum piratically every single one deals with trying to achieve results but no successes with the same over used advice of relax more or some bu((s(iT that one should face their own fears and beliefs, give me a break people...ANY BODY CAN SAY THEY know HOW TO ASTRAL PROJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU REALLY Actually DONE SO "only you can answer that
Thank You
Loki666       

[Stillwater]

There are not more people doing this because it is hard. Why don't you learn Mandarin as a non-native? Why don't you develop concert pianist skills? Why don't you become an accomplished landscape or portrait artist? There are lots of cool things that few people can take up because there is tremendous effort and time commitment involved.

And in all of those previous pursuits, there is unquestioned consensus that they represent real and possible skills. Projection, however, requires that you have a mindset and have read information that has convinced you that it is possible, otherwise you would not have considered it. So the set of people who are both willing to put in the effort, and who believe it to be a tangible possibility are few.

[Astral316]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag... this is really a forum for compulsive liars. The regulars meet in a hidden lair outside Munich, sipping tea and discussing ways to deceive the internet's spiritual community. We need to lie you see, it's much like how vampires need blood. But you had to come along and be the Neo of real life... wrecking the game for all of us. Do you feel like a big man now? Huh? Ruining our fun? Well... do ya!?

[Xanth]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag... this is really a forum for compulsive liars. The regulars meet in a hidden lair outside Munich, sipping tea and discussing ways to deceive the internet's spiritual community. We need to lie you see, it's much like how vampires need blood. But you had to come along and be the Neo of real life... wrecking the game for all of us. Do you feel like a big man now? Huh? Ruining our fun? Well... do ya!?

Dude... what's the first rule of AP club?!  You don't TALK ABOUT AP club!!  *sighs*   LoL

[Astral316]

Dude... what's the first rule of AP club?!  You don't TALK ABOUT AP club!!  *sighs*   LoL

[Stillwater]

I tried to run with it... you just had to tell him!

We really need to step up our game. We can't be having everyone through us... I have books to sell! Have you seen the boxes in my guest room?

[personalreality]

Rangstormer the reason you have had little to no success in 10 months is that, the truth is that 99% of the people here have not had a concise OBE or Lucid Dream why, becuase you cant just learn how its to complex or not even real if one could learn OBE woun;t you think that astral projection would be all the rage but no very few people have ever really had a true astral projections and usually they are on drugs or just plain crazy
Unfortunately you have fallen for the self help book industry scam buy this book for $29.99 and learn Astral projection in 90 days written by some sketch self help Guru with a marketing degree! And to prove my point look at the threads on this forum piratically every single one deals with trying to achieve results but no successes with the same over used advice of relax more or some bu((s(iT that one should face their own fears and beliefs, give me a break people...ANY BODY CAN SAY THEY know HOW TO ASTRAL PROJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU REALLY Actually DONE SO "only you can answer that
Thank You
Loki666       

It's a hard practice to learn.  It can't really be taught.  It has to be done.

But, you sir or madam are a straight up willy and probably shouldn't post here anymore.  you're discouraging curious people.  you might not buy in to projection but you don't have to slam it or the people on this forum.  even if many people here don't have a lot (if any) actual conscious exit experience doesn't mean that they are charlatans and it doesn't mean that they don't know a great deal about the subject.  So, take your attitude and beat it.  If at some point you feel like participating in constructive conversation regarding reality and such topics then please come chat.  If not, do what I did and leave for a while.

right.

[CFTraveler]

Can I have a p?  Can I have an s?  Can I have an i?  Can I have a v?  Can I have an a?  Can I have an m?  Can I have a p?  And what does that spell?
*We need a cheerleader icon*.

[NoY]

psi vamp

they did apear to be on some kind of crusade. they are prolly just ticked that they have no tallent 

:NoY:

[Timandra]

[Ryuk]

Rangstormer the reason you have had little to no success in 10 months is that, the truth is that 99% of the people here have not had a concise OBE or Lucid Dream.
ANY BODY CAN SAY THEY know HOW TO ASTRAL PROJECT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU REALLY Actually DONE SO "only you can answer that
Thank You
Loki666       

I think someone is really,really jelly

[NickisDank]

I wish you could see how stupid you just made yourself look, but that's the fun in life

[Jarrod]

There are self-deluded and gullible people here because it's such a difficult and subjective pursuit and it's so easy for scam artists to take advantage of people who want desperately for something to be real but they haven't seen it yet.  Wo xuexi Hanyu, and I've had several spontaneous projections and lucid dreams.  Real practitioners with real experience do exist and the gullible spiritually hopeful need us to spend less time on forums and more time practicing what it is that we do so that they can have real teachers instead of self help marketing majors and interesting strangers to waste time on the internet with.

[Stillwater]

Wo xuexi Hanyu

Haha...

Wo shou yi dianr zhongwen, keshi wo shou bu hao. Wo zhi shi meiguoren!

And I can play some piano, but definitely not a concert pianist.

And can paint fairly well, but far from a master.

And the same with projection- I have done it, but all instances have come with great effort for me, and are few and far between. And as I said before, the same is defintely true of all of these things- it takes great time and effort to master them. Now that you are studying Chinese, do you see yourself knowing 10,000 Hanzi, or following a college lecture on Chinese literature in Mandarin anytime soon?

I think we can both agree that when something is hard, there are 2 people selling the "shortcut" for everyone who knows anything true.

[Jarrod]

I'm just an american too.  Maybe not college level Mandarin any time soon.  I just want to be able to understand and talk with Chinese people.  Mandarin and then Cantonese, that's my game plan.

I think we can both agree that when something is hard, there are 2 people selling the "shortcut" for everyone who knows anything true.

agreed.