First attempt at LD to AP!

daytona955 · March 15, 2011, 16:56:21

Thought I'd share my first attempt at trying to project from a lucid dream, it didn't quite go to plan...again!

Over the past couple of months I've become a little better at LD so I thought to myself, next time I'm lucid in my dream I'll try to project and see if it works. Amazingly, as soon as I became lucid (last night) I remembered this and immediately thought - wow lets try to project. Straight away my dream landscape was sucked away from me and I was completely aware of being in my bed, paralysed and in complete blackness. I thought okay then, I may have come back a step but lets try to separate.
As I tried to move my arms it felt as though my duvet was made out of lead and I just could not get up. I then realised that I shouldn't be able to feel my duvet so I must be awake! This led straight into a false awakening scenario. My wife sat up beside me and asked me what I was doing, so I just lay back down again and then I woke up for real...DOH!

Never mind, I'm getting closer to that conscious projection!

NickisDank · March 15, 2011, 20:10:07

Very close, I hate false awakenings so much lol their so convincing at the time

djed · March 21, 2011, 04:10:06

Hi Daytona, I reckon you were already projecting and went back to the physical, experiencing sleep paralysis, body still asleep and you awake. I believe Lucid dreams is AP, but dream induced by becoming aware that you are dreaming.

Xanth · March 21, 2011, 09:23:17

Quote from: djed on March 21, 2011, 04:10:06
Hi Daytona, I reckon you were already projecting and went back to the physical, experiencing sleep paralysis, body still asleep and you awake. I believe Lucid dreams is AP, but dream induced by becoming aware that you are dreaming.

In my opinion, djed is quite correct.

A lucid dream is what I call a "non-physical lucid awareness experience". It means that you were already out and projecting.
At which point, as djed pointed out, you returned to the physical to begin a classic separation obe.

dayglowdaisy · March 21, 2011, 15:01:12

interesting! the experience I had last week with a dream conversion was pretty cool, I have been hoping to have another really soon. Unlike you I came out of the lucid dream and into my room, but was floating over my body already so I didn't have to separate. I feel like I have the most lucid dreams when I am having "trouble" falling asleep or in the early morning before getting up.

On that note, anyone ever try using those lucid dream masks and had any results? I am curious.

daytona955 · March 21, 2011, 19:47:29

Quote from: Xanth on March 21, 2011, 09:23:17
In my opinion, djed is quite correct.

A lucid dream is what I call a "non-physical lucid awareness experience". It means that you were already out and projecting.
At which point, as djed pointed out, you returned to the physical to begin a classic separation obe.

Frank talks about the 'Training Ground' being very close to the LD focus. I think next time I find myself in that scenario I'll try and go there, as long as I remember!

Thanks for your input folks.

Quote from: dayglowdaisy on March 21, 2011, 15:01:12
On that note, anyone ever try using those lucid dream masks and had any results? I am curious.

Not heard of them, think I'll Google it.

Xanth · March 22, 2011, 09:32:22

Quote from: daytona955 on March 21, 2011, 19:47:29
Frank talks about the 'Training Ground' being very close to the LD focus. I think next time I find myself in that scenario I'll try and go there, as long as I remember!

Thanks for your input folks.

Not heard of them, think I'll Google it.

He later figured out that what he initially called the "training ground" turned out to be, in his opinion, the "astral".

daytona955 · March 22, 2011, 11:06:39

Ah....

I'm still reading through Frank's PDF's, are his conclusions to this included there?

Cheers.

Xanth · March 22, 2011, 11:51:00

Quote from: daytona955 on March 22, 2011, 11:06:39
Ah....

I'm still reading through Frank's PDF's, are his conclusions to this included there?

Cheers.

Well, realize (and this is something that took me a while to figure out) that his conclusions are only his... they don't really help you find your own conclusions, because believing in his conclusions can only ever equate to a "belief" for you and never a "known". You can only have your own experiences.

So... while Franks methods for initially Phasing into the non-physical are solid. They've been known to work... they work for others, they work for me...
Franks conclusions WHILE out of body, are his own.

With that said... have your own experiences and form your own conclusions. We're here to help you get into that Phased state initially... where you go from there is entirely up to you.

daytona955 · March 22, 2011, 12:02:44

Yes your right, thanks for that Xanth.

LucidTraveler · March 23, 2011, 22:41:12

Good luck on your attempts..., but I which I knew what you were talking about. People talk about transitioning from a LD into AP, but perhaps I am missing something... how exactly can you do that?

I have had LDs before, but I am not an expert in the field. With that said, I have been trying to perform some astral travel. So far, I have gotten to the state it where feels that my physical body is basically paralyzed and my astral body is floating away. The feeling that I get during this state is worlds apart from the feeling that I get when I LD.

If you can educate me about how you plan to go from LD to AP then that would be much appreciated.

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