Alcohol

[Parmenion]

I was always fond of a drink, too fond in fact.But now i find myself drinking very rarely.I find it interferes with energy work, concentration and visualisation, and totally prohibits AP.It has a detrimental effect on my memory too.

What you said about the night out...would you not have noticed that without alchohol?

Parmenion

[Adrian]

Greetings Parmenion

quote:Originally posted by Parmenion

I was always fond of a drink, too fond in fact.But now i find myself drinking very rarely.I find it interferes with energy work, concentration and visualisation, and totally prohibits AP.It has a detrimental effect on my memory too.

Parmenion

How right you are!

Anyone who wishes to make serious progress should certainly refrain from drinking any alcohol or caffeine (including cola and tea).

People should only eat vegetable based foods as well, and not eat meat of any description both from a Spiritual and progress point of view, as well as eating in absolute moderation for basic sustenance.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Secretseeress]

Alcohol makes you stupid.

Thats all.

Love and Light,
Secretseeress.

[Nerezza]

I have never tasted alcohol and I only drink water. However if I have to get rid of meat to attain spiritual enlightenment, well just leave me alone with my steak.[]

[goingslow]

I didnt realize not drinking coke would lead someone to spiritual growth.

Give me a break.  Some people think by following certain rules like no caffeine only act this way or that you'll suddenly be enlightened.  Sadly it doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous]

As far as drinking goes, alcohol IS a toxin. However, ANYTHING can be a toxin if you have too much of it- Iron, potassium, zinc, etc. To much carotene makes your skin turn orange.

As far as a vegetarian diet is concerned, humans have canines for a reason. In this world, both plants and animals have souls, and no matter which you choose to eat, you're feeding off their energy. If you wanted to get a REALLY healthy diet, you'd have to evolve and feed off of the sun's energy like the plants do. We are designed to die at some point. I think it is best to eat mostly plant foods but also eat meat. It is not so easy to become a vegetarian just like that. You have to slowly adjust, and find the right foods to replenish the nutrients you need to survive and function. Diets which are CENTERED around meats are not so good for your body, as animals contain a lot of fat and not as much energy as plants. When you're at the top of the food chain, you're at the bottom of the energy chain. The animal is using energy that has been handed down once (to plants) or twice (if they are eating othre animals). Now for you to eat an animal, you're getting 3rd or 4th-hand energy. Not very much left, considering how much was absorbed from the sun in the first place.

I don't think it's good to astral-project WHILE you are drunk, but I don't think it's totally wrong to drink either, as long as you don't drink more than you should (use your common sense). For me, a good buzz is enough. I once drank five beers in under two hours, and it really messed me up, because I'm a real light-weight. I lost track of how much alcohol I consumed, and ended up vomiting for a few hours that night and also for the majority of the next day. It was the hangover from hell. My head was killing me. It is easy to lose track of how much you've had, especially if you're like me and you don't drink very often. So just gauge it by how dizzy you are and how long it has been since your last drink. That's my advice.

Goingslow, I think you're right. The consumption of soft drinks and/or alcohol (and/or drugs for that matter) does not necessarily mean that a person won't spiritually advance.

People think drugs are what financially support terrorists (because that's what the government in this country says). That's not [always] true. Drugs support gangs and crime syndicate. Some drugs are even grown by people right here in our countries and are sold.

Terrorists could make any kind of money they wanted to. Many of them have very good jobs, I'm sure (like the ones who hijacked the planes for their evil plans on 9/11), which do not involve selling drugs. They are very smart people, but unfortunately, they are also very misguided. But that doesn't stop them from getting jobs in this country. There is no doubt in my mind that they probably have sleeper agents over here who are working in very high positions. With a moron like Bush in charge, I worry about our national security (not to mention our rights).

Anyway, I'm sorry for bringing politics into this discussion. They're always on my mind even though I try to stay away from TV and news in general. I'll tell you what. Once I learn how to successfully project, why don't I experiment and tell you how alcohol and my diet habits affect my abilities. I'll try doing things your way first. I've been trying for two years but have not been able to practice frequently. Practicing on a night before I have to get up early makes me very tired the next day. I've tried meditation and other things. I know I am doing something wrong. Any suggestions?

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

What people do not seem to realise, and Monroe for example discovered, is that all of these "substances" such as alcohol, coffee, tobacco, soft and hard drugs etc., not only affect a person at the time of consumption, but for many months afterwards. It does take months to completely detoxify your anatomy from these things.

There is no question that any of these substances will affect aspects of Spiritual growth, as well as lowering the vibrations necessary for Astral work, meditation etc..  Generally speaking, people enjoy their vices so much that they can be in denial about the effects of their consumption of these substances rather then give them up completely.

To progress Spiritually generally requires considerable discipline and will power, and above all knowledge of "self", and once people arrive at that point along the path, they will know beyond any doubt whatsoever that consumption of any of these substances is wrong and detrimental, and that the consumption of meat is also very wrong. No person has the right to take the life of any living creature, however large or small, no more than they have the right to take the life of another person, and just because of a perceived superiority.

Humans categorically do not need to eat meat to survive, and any vestigages of our anatomy, e.g. teeth remain from the primitive days of our history from a couple of millions of years ago. In the not too distant future everyone will eat a vegetarian diet, and will be as repulsed at the thought of eating animal meat as we are at the activities of the cannibals of not so long back that ate their fellow humans.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Tom]

Alcohol is against my religion. I drink it anyway at times. No, it is not a good thing exactly, but it is not that bad. Neither is caffeine. I do not say that they are good things; just that they are not so bad and that I choose to use them with awareness of the possible consequences. There is no reason to throw out either. As for people who eat meat, I will not take it away. Nor will I stop people from choosing tobacco. We all have free will to choose substances that are not good for us as long as we are ready to pay the price.

[Anonymous]

I agree Tom. "The body is a temple" is a phrase that, to me, is more of a suggestion than anything else. It's a GOOD suggestion, but a suggestion nonetheless. There are nice temples and there are crappy ones made out of sticks and thatch. But both are still temples, regardless of their condition. I am all for allowing people to do whatever they want to themselves. Just because we find it distasteful does not mean that we should stop everyone else from choosing to do it. As long as people are aware of and understand the possible consequences of their choice, then they should be allowed to choose without the punishment from fellow humans. In fact, to get on a wild tangent about this (briefly), I don't think it is man's place to punish anyone at all for any reason, be it the man-made judiciary systems of the world or the vigilance of other humans.

[Anonymous]

Adrian, you make excellent points which I also agree with, but I still believe that it is up to the individual to make these decisions for themselves.

I want to talk more about the consumption of foods. You state that it is wrong to eat meat because of the taking away of their lives. I think it is wrong to trap them and not give them a chance to escape (by making them live on farms, etc). but I don't think it's wrong to hunt them, so long as one's weapons aren't so powerful and accurate that they are 100% accurate. I don't think people should use guns. Also, I believe that the animal should be honored before being killed, and respected, as the Native Americans used to do. They would thank the animal's spirit for having been sacraficed.

[Anonymous]

One other thing- what about the plants? Are they not equal to us? They communicate telepathically. They are a great source of knowledge.

[seekenergyaz]

Hi

I don't drink much alcohol, but I hear you on that example.  Conformity is a big thing right now.  Not just among people considered to be on the political "right" either.  It cuts across it all, although each group seems to have its own set of styles and opinions to conform to.  Fail to conform and I suspect that you will not need alcohol to be standing outside looking in.  The peer group will take care of that by excising you from itself.  Of course it will be a lot more painful than the alcohol, which is why we get so much conformity.  Emotional pain is often a very effective enforcement tool.

quote:Originally posted by Lysear

Example, I was on a night out last night at the university club, I had a fair bit to drink. I just stopped and looked around and thought how ridiculous it all looked! Everyone dressed the same, dancing the same with the same haircuts and telling the same jokes. What is the matter with the world! can no-one think for themselves anymore! I'm not saying I myself am perfect, but I have a modicum of self awareness. I despair for the future of the human being.

Anyway, I'm just ranting, thats enough from me, what does everyone else think?

[seekenergyaz]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian


No person has the right to take the life of any living creature, however large or small, no more than they have the right to take the life of another person, and just because of a perceived superiority.

Hello Adrian

Does this mean that you are a fruitarian?  Otherwise you'd be killing the plants.

I've heard many people say that raw food veganism is the only way to go as well.

I'll take it all with a grain of salt until I know more from personal experience.

Perhaps we can test it though.  Is there anyone in this forum who eats meat who is successfull in projection?  To what degree?  

Those who are vegetarian, how strict?  Do you use milk or eggs?  Do you cook those vegetables or insist on eating them raw?  What effects have these things had projectionwise?

How about artificial sweeteners, preservatives, dyes, and processed foods?  They do their damage too.

What about pesticides, genetically manipulated food, and other stuff that is getting almost impossible to avoid?

While I'm at it, I am open to suggestions on how to best wean off of caffiene without becoming spacey (Attention Deficit Disorder).  That is the factor that always sucks me back to the use of the stuff.  One cannot be too spacey and still get on in life you know.

[Nay]

... yes I eat meat and have OBE's.. but only this past 6mo have I been trying to be conscience of the seperation.  I have also had countless waking dreams.  I drink some, but have found that it does hinder the experience..so when I do drink, I don't even try. Ok.. fixen to admit to something [xx(] But it is for the sake of Science..!! yes that is it...Science. I have smoked and had OBE's as well.  I really think it depends on the person [^] what you believe and how hard you believe it..


I Would rather have a mind
opened by wonder than one
closed by belief.
Gerry Spence

[wonderboy]

Wow, what a can of worms. . . alcohol is bad and meat prohibits spiritual growth. Perhaps on some level it does interfere with your energy development, but it certainly doesn't stop an aspiring projector from projecting or someone from meditating. (unless you're currently drunk) Here's one that's worked for me. Go to the bar, get a mean buzz on with your friends, set your alarm, wake up, get a glass of water (because you'll need it! maybe an aspirin too depending on how mean that buzz was) put your wave I CD in the player and sit down in your recliner and rocket out of your body. It has certainly worked for me in the past. I'm not suggesting that its an ideal way to project, or the only way that I do project, but if you're out there and you're going to drink anyway, give it a try. Heck even if you fall asleep, there is a good chance that your REM deprivation from alcohol will give you a decent chance at lucid dreaming.
Happy Projecting
Wonderboy

[Anonymous]

wave I CD? what is that? I'm not familiar with it. I've got a techno work on my computer that'll put you right into a trance no problem. Try projecting after a vigorous workout, like after your martial arts training or after a long run.

[wonderboy]

wave I monroe institute CD for achieving the focus 10 state. I couldn't agree more about projecting after working out, I'd suggest
running on a treadmill, when you get off after an hour or so it still feels like you are moving forward which has helped me project along with bike riding. The wind in your face and visualizing yourself propelling forward has also helped me in the past.
take care,
Wonderboy

[goingslow]

I dont think coke or tea will in anyway limit someones spiritual progression.  I think if they reach a point where they feel caffeine or tea is limiting them people will give it up.  But I see it helping people at the monk level not people trying to progress in other ways already with way more important things holding them back.

The person who started the topic did say they think alcohol makes you see the way things really are.  I dont think thats really true, it changes your perception which is what I like about it.. but I think it makes things less real than more real.

I have a drink every now and then.  I think people should give it up when its right for them and not because some doctrine says it inhibits spiritual growth.  I myself only drink once a month or so because I have noticed for me personally it has negative effects afterwards.  

I see no reason whatsoever to give up caffeine.  I believe if a person is trying to spiritually progress they'll there will come a point where they say "no more of ____".  Until that point I see no benefit of believing i should quit due to the fact some person wrote it stops you from progressing.

[Lysear]

I have decided after years of err.. research, that alcohol can be very beneficial. I believe that it does this by removing your inhibitions, and making you see things for how they really are. Example, I was on a night out last night at the university club, I had a fair bit to drink. I just stopped and looked around and thought how ridiculous it all looked! Everyone dressed the same, dancing the same with the same haircuts and telling the same jokes. What is the matter with the world! can no-one think for themselves anymore! I'm not saying I myself am perfect, but I have a modicum of self awareness. I despair for the future of the human being.

Anyway, I'm just ranting, thats enough from me, what does everyone else think?