Our Creator - Almighty God (MUST READ)

[Vinyard]

Hello folks!
I read some posts here from time to time and I'm very interested in all this. I didn't know what forum section to use for my topic so I chose this one because it's somewhat related. If the topic should be placed somewhere else then a moderator could move it. My apologies if it's the wrong section.

Who are you?
I'm basically a normal kid at the age of 18 and I live in Sweden. I've been blessed recently because after years and years of living an unrighteous life I found my way to God at last. The change has been amazing. Before I found my way to Christianity I broke His laws and hated my life. Today I'm living a peaceful life and I enjoy every minute of it.

What's your story?
Back in February/March I decided to Google " World War 3 " just for fun. What I found was that a prophet called Baba Vanga predicted years and years ago that World War 3 would begin in November 2010. I decided to follow the media every single day to look for some signs that a war might be ahead. In August I started making some serious research and after several months I am now truly aware of what's really going on in this world.The globalists really wants to create a New World Order where everything will be monitored and controlled. They are years away from having it. I've been doing research about the FEMA Concentrations Camps in USA which will be used as soon as martial law is implemented in USA.

OK, so I basically got a HUGE section in my brain for all this and I'm so filled up with information that it could take me days to cover it all up. Somehow I started getting more and more interested in religion and at first I told myself that there's a God but religion is wrong. Months went by and I started doing more and more research about Illuminati/The Bilderberg Group/Vaccine dangers/ Chemtrails and I studied the Bible. What I discovered about the Bible was truly amazing. Everything was true. Every single word the Bible said was true. Every prediction has come true and some predictions are yet to come true. Even the fact that the Bible history spans for about 4000 years (AD), which would mean the world was created by God 6000 years ago, was true. The world is in fact 6000 years old even though billions of years is the common way to explain the age of the Earth. It's all lies from the pits of hell. The only thing you know about the age of the Earth is what you've heard in the books and television. Never did it occur to you to investigate on your own. Even the Carbon14 method is supporting a young Earth and C14 can NEVER give millions of years.

So that's my story. How I found God. Ever since that cold winter day when I typed in " World War 3 ", I've managed to get the real truth about the NWO agenda and I found my way to God. I've been truly blessed and my Lord above must really like me.

What's your purpose for this thread?
The purpose here is that I want to educate you. I want to strengthen your belief in God and religion. This is a psychic/spiritual forum I know that, we talk a lot about souls and after life but rarely do we speak about God. Ask yourself this. Who created your soul? There must have been a Creator. The Universe didn't create itself out of nothing. A creator did it. A designer. God created your soul. He created you. He knew you even before you were conceived and he promise you an eternal life as long as you call for Jesus and repent of your sins.

Let me get back to the talk about the Earth being a few thousands of years old. This is going to be hard to swallow I know. For years you've been told that the universe began 15 - 20 billion years ago and that you was created from bacterias 3 - 4 billion years ago. For years you've been told that. But you've never been told in school that the world is 6000 years old which the Bible suggests. Let's dig some deeper shall we?
I'm not going to give you the tons of facts I have stored but I can give you some basics, OK? Here's a link to Kent Hovinds' seminars. He's truly a great man and peoples' lives have changed after watching his seminars. http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150
PLEASE WATCH ALL HIS SEMINARS! PLEASE! THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO MISS! YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE I PROMISE!

Watch all of his seminars and I promise you that you will never see the world the same way as you used to do. I promise. If this doesn't strengthen your belief and make you religious then that's up to you but let me tell you this. We're all going to heaven one day and face our judgment. Most will go to hell. Most people believe hell is not a real place and more like a device used by the church to scare people. This is wrong. Can you honestly say that you know for a fact that hell is not real? If you watch the seminars above and come to the conclusion that God exists and created the world 6000 years ago you MUST come to the conclusion that hell exists. For God created hell not for man but for the fallen angels. And the wages of sin is an eternity among demons, horror, pain, suffering, grief, regrets and torture. Hell is real whether you like it or not and to avoid it you must pray the salvation prayer out loud. Get on your knees and pray out loud:

Dear Lord,
I admit that I am a sinner. I have done many things that don't please you. I have lived my life for myself. I am sorry and I repent. I ask you to forgive me. I believe that you died on the cross for me, to save me. You did what I could not do for myself. I come to you now and ask you to take control of my life, I give it to you. Help me to live every day in a way that pleases you. I love you, Lord, and I thank you that I will spend all eternity with you.

Amen

More information:
Some of you will probably laugh and forget all about this but some people who are not ignorant will at least give it a shot. You're free to do whatever you want and I strongly suggest that you study the Bible and the words. If everybody would follow the Bible and do what it says there would be NO sufferings in the world. Absolutely nothing! And still some people claim the Bible is bad. That's wrong... you're leaders are bad!
You see folks... the Illuminati and The Bilderberg Group are extremely smart. I have to admit it. So far they have managed to follow their plans precisely. I'd say the biggest mistake they ever did was to NOT fly airplanes into WTC 7 and Pentagon. If they did, 84% of the people in America wouldn't think that there's a cover up of 9/11.

The New World Order was born on September 11 and they are moving fast. Remember what I said about World War 3? That Baba vanga predicted the outbreak in November 2010. Well, North Korea attacked South Korea on Nov. 23 so I guess she was right all along. Of course the media won't report that a WW3 just started and the war itself hasn't officially started but the trigger was Nov 23. World War 2 didn't officially start until 1941 with the Pearl Harbor attack which the US government admitted to have foreknowledge and they also PROVOKED Japan to attack them. What can we expect in the future? Well... Israel will go to war with Iran and USA will join them. North Korea will most likely attack South Korea and Russia, China, USA and Japan will join. (I actually had a dream about it last night). The dollar will collapse within 1 year. The debt bubble is SO HUGE that it's going to break any minute. Never before has the debt been so great and massive. The collapse will make the great depression look like a picnic. The great depression was engineered just like the financial collapse in 2008 which we're in right now. It was all engineered and caused by printing to much money. Anyway... the dollar will collapse within 1 year and we will have wars all over the world. World War 3 will start and HAS already started. Forced vaccinations will kill many people and in 2015 the globalists will finally have an excuse to implement the New World Order because of the huge war. That's the perfect excuse. A one world government, one world religion, one world military and a global currency.
The RFID Chip will be injected in your right hand and it will be used as a digital one world currency. Money will not be used any more and without the RFID Chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The Bible says that whoever takes the mark of the beast in his right hand will burn in hell for without the chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The RFID Chip IS the mark of the beast and if you take it you will burn! Everybody will be forced to take this chip so be careful who you talk with.


Here's a couple of interesting links. Please do not remove these links mods. They're perfectly harmless and are very important and interesting.
Link #1: Kent Hovinds' seminars on Creation. Proof that the Bible is 100% right: http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150
Link #2: Bill Wiese, 23 minutes in hell: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648563944666093503#
Link #3: Mary K Baxter was in hell for 30 days every night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8FjG2GSapM
Link #4: Alternative media. http://www.infowars.com   -   http://www.blacklistednews.com    -   http://forum.prisonplanet.com

[Stookie]

I don't know... I heard satan made up that whole plot to throw people off the real story. A video on youtube explained it to me.

[Naykid]

 

[Volgerle]

Infidels, there is only ONE god. Pray, Bow Down, And Eat Pasta!

[Xanth]

Now THAT is my god.
I have that god for dinner quite often... along with his sister goddess, rice. 

[CFTraveler]

Infidels, there is only ONE god. Pray, Bow Down, And Eat Pasta!

Ah, a fellow Pastafasarian, I see!

[Micael]

Mean people 

[Xanth]

Mean people 

May the Spaghetti-god smite thee down!!! 

[interception]

I'd rather pray to the Spaghetti-god as well.

Because I love pasta.

As we all know, the Spaghetti-god did in fact create the earth 4 billion years ago out of left over holy meatballs. Yes he did indeed. It is a fact.  

[manwesulimo2004]

Hi Vineyard.

I enjoyed reading your story. You gave a nice, detailed introduction about how you "woke up" and started investigating and rethinking your current paradigm of life the universe and everything. I can empathise with you about how you are currently feeling because I too have undergone a dramatic paradigm shift in a short period of time and sometimes feel bursting to share my new insights with others. However: No matter how "enlightened" I feel or how sure I am about my new discoveries I try to keep reminding myself that (yet again) I might be wrong.

It's a shame that most of the replies so far have been so disrespectful and non-constructive, especially considering the fact you were actually making an intelligent argument as opposed to preaching mindlessly. But I know I can be this way too often enough. It's difficult to keep an open mind.



Anyway, getting down to what you said. Here are some things I would like to point out:

Back in February/March I decided to Google " World War 3 " just for fun. What I found was that a prophet called Baba Vanga predicted years and years ago that World War 3 would begin in November 2010.
[...]
Remember what I said about World War 3? That Baba vanga predicted the outbreak in November 2010. Well, North Korea attacked South Korea on Nov. 23 so I guess she was right all along. Of course the media won't report that a WW3 just started and the war itself hasn't officially started but the trigger was Nov 23. World War 2 didn't officially start until 1941 with the Pearl Harbor attack which the US government admitted to have foreknowledge and they also PROVOKED Japan to attack them.

From my experience I would guess that most Christians won't acknowledge the validity of such prophecies. The Bible condemns what I interpret to be "all things psychic" in many passages. Here's a quote from Deuteronomy 18 v9-13 (NIV):

"When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; because of these same detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God."

Baba Vanga claimed to talk to invisible beings (demons?), dead people and aliens. (Aliens are another topic which make traditional Christianity difficult to hold on to.) So if you are a Christian now: How can you accept or endorse Baba Vanga's work?

Even the fact that the Bible history spans for about 4000 years (AD), which would mean the world was created by God 6000 years ago, was true. The world is in fact 6000 years old even though billions of years is the common way to explain the age of the Earth. It's all lies from the pits of hell. The only thing you know about the age of the Earth is what you've heard in the books and television. Never did it occur to you to investigate on your own. Even the Carbon14 method is supporting a young Earth and C14 can NEVER give millions of years.
[...]
Let me get back to the talk about the Earth being a few thousands of years old. This is going to be hard to swallow I know. For years you've been told that the universe began 15 - 20 billion years ago and that you was created from bacterias 3 - 4 billion years ago. For years you've been told that. But you've never been told in school that the world is 6000 years old which the Bible suggests. Let's dig some deeper shall we?
I'm not going to give you the tons of facts I have stored but I can give you some basics, OK? Here's a link to Kent Hovinds' seminars. He's truly a great man and peoples' lives have changed after watching his seminars. http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150

What you're saying here is essentially that our society has been spoon fed "knowledge" (about the age of the earth) which we assume to be true despite the debatable evidence it is based on. I agree with you on this and think this is a very valid point but I doubt the evidence we have points so much more clearly towards a 6000 year old earth. Even if we assume this to be true this is only a tiny step towards accepting that the Bible has any shred of truth in it and extremely far from "proving" that anything else in this book regarding how the world was made, who or what God is and what He/She/It is like, where we go after we die and so on.

PLEASE WATCH ALL HIS SEMINARS! PLEASE! THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT TO MISS! YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE I PROMISE!

Watch all of his seminars and I promise you that you will never see the world the same way as you used to do. I promise.

Making promises like this is ridiculous. They severely taint your credibility and make me question how objective you are capable of being.

What I discovered about the Bible was truly amazing. Everything was true. Every single word the Bible said was true. Every prediction has come true and some predictions are yet to come true.

The Bible makes a lot of statements that don't appear to make sense. Leviticus 11 v20 (NIV):

"All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean."

Then there also quite a few things that the Bible doesn't seem to be sure of itself. Like after Jesus' resurrection when Mary and the others (different constellation of people in each of the gospels) reach the tomb is it empty or is there one angel or are there two? Also what's with genealogy of Jesus in Matthew 1 v2-17 as opposed to Luke 3 v23-38?

There is a lot to say regarding predictions in the Bible:

1. The Bible is not the only source to make predictions which have come true. There have been prophets and psychics from all kinds of religions (even many without a religion) which have made accurate predictions. Also predictions are made all the time by researches and scientists and housewives and just about everyone else which have turned out to come true.

2. Some of the predictions made are ridiculous. Here is a quote from Genesis 3 (NIV):

"So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,

"Cursed are you above all livestock
   and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
   and you will eat dust
   all the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
   between you and the woman,
   and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
   and you will strike his heel." "

This takes place in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve have eaten of the forbidden fruit, stand before God blaming each other (Adam blames Eve who blames the Serpent) and are judged by Him for their actions. I don't know what you were thinking when you read this but it is considered by scholars to be a prophecy about Jesus winning the battle against Satan! And it is actually used as proof that Jesus is the Messiah because he fulfilled 1337 (or however many) prophecies made about His coming.
There are many more examples like this in which I get the impression that some kind of meaning is superimposed into old texts in retrospect to make it seem like something was predicted from the beginning.

3. Many predictions are easy to make and/or very vague. For example Matthew 24 v6-7 (NIV):

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."

4. How can we validate the predictions from the Bible? Most of the evidence for them coming true comes from the same place: The Bible.

Ask yourself this. Who created your soul? There must have been a Creator. The Universe didn't create itself out of nothing. A creator did it. A designer. God created your soul. He created you. He knew you even before you were conceived and he promise you an eternal life as long as you call for Jesus and repent of your sins.

The argument that everything needs to have an origin or a creator of some source is actually fine with me. Inferring that this cause must be God creates a system which is complete and makes sense. The whole "Who created God?" question has always seemed to me like ridiculous teasing from people who refuse to get the point because by definition God is the source of everything, where it all began.
However, just because this system makes sense does not mean it must be correct because there are other equally plausible explanations. For example: Imagine a system with two, three, 100 or 1.000.000.000 "Gods". Maybe these "Gods" (we could also call them "souls") are infinite and don't require a creator (just like the one God in your belief system). Maybe they created the universe.

Once again, even if we assume that there must be a God it still doesn't imply that He/She/It must have any of the properties of the Judaeo-Christian God and it certainly doesn't support the concept of sin or redemption or believing in Jesus, etc.

If this doesn't strengthen your belief and make you religious then that's up to you but let me tell you this. We're all going to heaven one day and face our judgment. Most will go to hell. Most people believe hell is not a real place and more like a device used by the church to scare people. This is wrong. Can you honestly say that you know for a fact that hell is not real?

Can you honestly say for a fact that hell is real? If so, how do you know this?

If you watch the seminars above and come to the conclusion that God exists and created the world 6000 years ago you MUST come to the conclusion that hell exists.

Wait, what!? That's a collosal logical leap you are making there. If I come to the conclusion that God exists and that the world is 6000 years old that still doesn't imply anything about heaven, hell, sin, judgement, redemption or the afterlife.

If everybody would follow the Bible and do what it says there would be NO sufferings in the world. Absolutely nothing! And still some people claim the Bible is bad.

This is true for many belief systems such as Islam or Buddhism. This alone doesn't make the system a good one.

That's wrong... you're leaders are bad!

What do you mean by "our" leaders? Do you mean non-Christian leaders? I can assure you that there are also many bad Christian leaders.

What can we expect in the future? Well... Israel will go to war with Iran and USA will join them. North Korea will most likely attack South Korea and Russia, China, USA and Japan will join. (I actually had a dream about it last night). The dollar will collapse within 1 year. The debt bubble is SO HUGE that it's going to break any minute. Never before has the debt been so great and massive. The collapse will make the great depression look like a picnic. The great depression was engineered just like the financial collapse in 2008 which we're in right now. It was all engineered and caused by printing to much money. Anyway... the dollar will collapse within 1 year and we will have wars all over the world. World War 3 will start and HAS already started. Forced vaccinations will kill many people and in 2015 the globalists will finally have an excuse to implement the New World Order because of the huge war. That's the perfect excuse. A one world government, one world religion, one world military and a global currency.
The RFID Chip will be injected in your right hand and it will be used as a digital one world currency. Money will not be used any more and without the RFID Chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The Bible says that whoever takes the mark of the beast in his right hand will burn in hell for without the chip you won't be able to buy/sell. The RFID Chip IS the mark of the beast and if you take it you will burn! Everybody will be forced to take this chip so be careful who you talk with.

It's cool you made some specific, verifiable predictions. I'm intrigued to see how things play out.

Some of you will probably laugh and forget all about this but some people who are not ignorant will at least give it a shot. You're free to do whatever you want and I strongly suggest that you study the Bible and the words.

Thank you for this suggestion. It seems the Bible has had a great impact on your life and I'm grateful you are willing to share your experiences and your discoveries with us. Unfortunately time is limited in our physical lives so we can't look into each and every religion or belief system therefore I can understand why many people would ignore this suggestion.



Thanks again for sharing. I hope you keep an open mind and keep evolving spiritually. If you earnestly seek the truth I'm sure you will find it.

[CFTraveler]

I just wanted to make a couple of comments, as one who didn't take the above post seriously ( I actually read the Bible often, which is partially why I didn't take it seriously), and also becasue it reads as a recruitment post for a religious advertisement (that is, 'the Hovind Way').
First of all, the Bible doesn't say that the world was made 6000 years ago.  It is how it's been interpreted by medieval scholars, and the 'scientists' that put out 'evidence' for this being true are molding the evidence to suit their beliefs.

"When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; because of these same detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God."

Baba Vanga claimed to talk to invisible beings (demons?), dead people and aliens. (Aliens are another topic which make traditional Christianity difficult to hold on to.) So if you are a Christian now: How can you accept or endorse Baba Vanga's work?

I know nothing of Baba Vanga, so I have nothing to say about it, but   Deutoronomy is an OT work, but if you read the NT you will see that this is not as clearcut as it would seem.  Read 1 Corintians and you will see that there is another way to see this.

"
1 Cor
2:15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 2:16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:16Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 12:5And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord. 12:6And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all. 12:7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit withal. 12:8For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 12:9to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 12:10and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: 12:11but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will. 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 12:29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 12:31But desire earnestly the greater gifts. And moreover a most excellent way show I unto you.

14:1Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

It is very clear that he just told his followers that they could do most of what was previously prohibited.  The 'sorceries and divinations' are negative ways to portray "discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues, healings and casting of lots (divination with stones) and prophecy, which is the same as divination.  So why is it that contemporary clerics still cling to the OT edict while ignoring the NT allowances?  Power.  They don't want us to realize that The Spirit of the LORD dwells in us, and we are of God, as spelled out in the above example, and it wants us to "follow after love, yet desire earnesty spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy".

[interception]

I believe there are many paths and points of view. Christianity is one such path. It makes YOU happy, and that is fine. Christianity of course itself would argue different, it would claim it is the only path, but that's okay too: we will get along fine as long as you don't try to force your views upon others. Everything will be fine as long as they dont play power games.

I don't know, I happen to love my life without being a pure bible under the arm Christian.

Mixing religious discussion and conspiracy theories? Oh boy... bad idea, generally.

The earth is not 6000 years old. Use your brain. I'm sorry, but making such a statement has zero basis in fact. I did check out this Kent Hovind guy... he certainly believed what he was saying, but the more the man spoke the more I got the feeling I was listening to a very very blind man. I did change my life in so far as that he only made me even more afraid of these religious types who try to paint biblical stories on a scientific canvas.

You must feel really special too that your lord "must really like you". That's another problem I have with religions, this sudden, "I'm so special now" thing. Makes me sick.

"The purpose here is that I want to educate you". Don't, please. I grew up in a Christian home. I know this. Ive seen this and left to open my mind to other paths.

The Universe didn't create itself out of nothing. There is evidence that this may in fact be the case

"Most will go to hell". Again, you are trying to scare me. I don't like that. The whole concept of hell is flawed and just plain wrong on so many levels. Hell is not a good tactic to use once one becomes even a little bit more enlightened and start using ones brain.

[manwesulimo2004]

Deutoronomy is an OT work, but if you read the NT you will see that this is not as clearcut as it would seem.  Read 1 Corintians and you will see that there is another way to see this.

"
1 Cor
2:15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 2:16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:16Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 12:5And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord. 12:6And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all. 12:7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit withal. 12:8For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 12:9to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 12:10and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: 12:11but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will. 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 12:29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 12:31But desire earnestly the greater gifts. And moreover a most excellent way show I unto you.

14:1Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."

It is very clear that he just told his followers that they could do most of what was previously prohibited.  The 'sorceries and divinations' are negative ways to portray "discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues, healings and casting of lots (divination with stones) and prophecy, which is the same as divination.  So why is it that contemporary clerics still cling to the OT edict while ignoring the NT allowances?  Power.  They don't want us to realize that The Spirit of the LORD dwells in us, and we are of God, as spelled out in the above example, and it wants us to "follow after love, yet desire earnesty spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy".

Yeah, you're right. There certainly is another side of the coin but "magic" and "witchcraft" are condemned in the NT as well (even by Paul himself).

Galatians 5 v19 (NIV):
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelation 21 v8 (NIV):
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

The way I was brought up is that when Christians perform miracles they are done by the power of the Holy Spirit (which non-Christians don't have) and the acts are therefore acceptable. When people without the Holy Spirit do this kind of stuff it is considered "sorcery" because they are drawing their power from the devil.
Personally I think it's a cheap and sad double standard but I used to believe it too and there are many others who still do.

[testing]

 



"he's got the whole world in his noodles"

[grzazek]

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[ether]

The globalists really wants to create a New World Order where everything will be monitored and controlled.

yes globalists do want New World Order but most of those that think they will be the new order wont be period they above (Spirit World) and a few Spirit leaders (liveing) decide on that
monitored yeah but it already is anyway (not by human bodys) when people learn how and why things will change their actions mainly
controlled well it is anyway but people themselves will take controll consciously not mostly the clowns in governements honestly these clowns have had plenty of chances to prove their worth to be apart of the New Order and most with a big smile i say this Not Allowed period
the controll bit is the cause and effect of things apparently its called the samsara wheel, the minipulation of it in parts has already taken place not by governments just to prove it can be done: weather disease and death and other areas, a process is being built so as many many even billions in fact can take part in the minipulation of it, they (govs) have tried and tried and tried to get controll of this and no not allowed  , and guess what no government people and their familys and some of their friends are not allowed to take PART in this adventure at this point in time some never will  all because of a few clowns at the top of the chain trying to controll something they donot qualifie for, its all about creating awareness so people learn a little respect in the right areas.
as you can see i have a problem with their (govs) thought processes which of course is all recordered in the Akashic Records for all to see in time they have tried to cover this and NO not allowed
one of them said once thoughts are personall not at the top their not untill you can prove your intentions your thoughts are pure and in everyones best interest therefore you must have a broad range of understanding of the meaning of life which clearly they lack a great deal of
thats my two cents

good luck

love all

[kcsguniverse]

First let me say this I'ma strong Christian. Second let me say this I'm also in college to be a scientist. Carbon dating is only effective for biological materials up to 70000 years old. Theres Argon dating and a few other dating process. The methods used for this dating technique, the half life is always constant..

[Summerlander]

God...pffft!

[AmbientSound]

We are all the same soul, the same spirit, the same everything. Just different forms and perspectives of it. Everything is made of Light. Literally as well as figuratively. It would be thoroughly counterproductive if this one soul/spirit were to cast any part of itself into a pit of eternal suffering, pain and anguish.

[personalreality]

Well that was a fun read.  I feel dumber for having read it.

[urshebear]

Religions idea of heaven = my idea of hell

Its true that we all have ideas but nobody truley "knows"
I just really dont want to worship anybody and I dont like the idea of having to be someone I am not to please someone else "god"
I especially dont like to the thought that someone else can control MY happiness and MY destiny

To me, that would be hell

However
I do like alot of the bibles teachings and I aspire to be the best person I can be. most of us have personal morals inspired by the bible

[AmbientSound]

The illusion of separateness is the underlying root of most (if not all) suffering. Heaven is simply being one with the Universe.

[Summerlander]

For God created hell not for man but for the fallen angels. And the wages of sin is an eternity among demons, horror, pain, suffering, grief, regrets and torture. Hell is real whether you like it or not and to avoid it you must pray the salvation prayer out loud. Get on your knees and pray out loud:

Ok, I've kept quite for too long...

Are you serious? To avoid hell you must pray for salvation? What??? This is nonsense to me. How can you be truly deserving of a heaven if you are only praying because you fear hell? The Biblical God philosophy sounds made up to me. Made to control the populace. It's exploitation at its deepest in my opinion.

Liberation is not fearing what will become of you. This is so logical. The demons experienced during altered states of consciousness are nothing but manifestations of dissonant states of mind. It's purely psychological and they have no objective reality but in your mind. If you believe there's a hell, of course there will be a hell...in your mind!! no matter how good a person you think you are! Once you realise their true nature while you experience them, they simply vanish. It's the same with a child having nightmares because they cannot fathom so much of the world that surrounds them and fear comes easily. The nightmares dwindle as the child grows older and becomes more pragmatic.

As long as you believe in this New Age crap about demons and hells, you will find it hard to have pleasant OOBEs. I don't mean to offend anyone but it is as clear to me as daylight that religions like Christianity teach you to live in fear and exploit that.

And the Biblical God is so clearly made up by human beings. It's too human and the way He acts is ridiculous. If there is a god, it certainly isn't like the one described in the Bible.

You know what I believe? I believe that there is no God and that we, as a collective consciousness created this universe and possibly others. I've been in certain altered states of mind where I felt like the creator and the notion of a God just sounded ridiculous to me. Just another idea put out there. To me it is a bit like the concept of Brahman...the "ocean" and we are it but in this physical form we have massively narrowed down our infinite perspective to a finite one...now we can appreciate and be enthralled by our creation from a finite perspective...we are "drops" at the moment because we chose to be.

It's Brahman, the infinite, consciousness...the ground of all being:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

Without the Hiranyagarbha business, of course. I take what makes sense to me from certain philosophies but sift through the embellishments and 'fairytales' at the same time...

Oh yeah... I just want to mention that because some people have developed and held this belief since birth through no fault of their own because it is what they were taught, they may experience a great dislike for what I have said here and may attack me. I'll be surprised if this doesn't happen...

[Mustardseed]

Yes....keep on reading and consider these things my Young swedish friend .Many have come before YOU with the fire of wanting to lead these lost souls on the right path, only to later be thankful. You see the folks at this forum are very informed , so if you had hoped for a free ride i am sorry to disapoint you. I invite you to stay and chat and teach us some more. Maybe you can start by finding me some proof from the net or if you yourself have some, that the Jews even existed as a nation under David and Solomon, to make it fair and fun lets avoid speculation and using the Bible as a source . Please if you Can guide me i would love to know

Regards Mustardseed

[personalreality]

lol mustardseed.

"to make it fair and fun lets avoid speculation and using the Bible as a source "

awesome.