how to go about talking about AP with people

[the8reader]

Just thought i would start a new thread on this subject. who all has talked about ap with people that new nothing about it? how did it turn out? good or bad? how did you start it out? maybe some of the problems that we face with the people well tell is that we come off crazy right off the bat. haha just looking for some info!

The reason being that i am looking for info on this is so i can start telling my kids at the place i work at how it works and how it can help them. I work with troubled youth, that are on all kinds of meds and they are always stressed about someting. I told one kid about it but not really in the same sense and he has been much calmer and not as stressed. So i just need a good way to tell them without sounding crazy. so just some insight.

[apsinvo]

It's difficult. In this day and age, anything outside of visible rigid reality is 'weird'. If you launch straight into OBE experiences, you can count the seconds on one hand before you are labelled as either a freak or mentally ill, especially amongst people who haven't experienced this kind of thing before. Well, I have talked to my fiancee, my family and some others about it in the past, and I usually open the door with LDs. "Did you ever have a dream where you knew it was a dream?" You can then go from there depending on the receptiveness of the audience. Some people say, umm, no, never. Others, will say yes. My brother actually said that often when he's had nightmares in the past, he knew it was a nightmare and kept saying "wake up" until he did. I obviously turned round and said, "whats wrong with you boy.. you make yourself wake up?" before telling him all about LDs Hope this helps!

[Bedeekin]

Since I discovered OOBEs I have never been shy to openly talk about them. I don't really care what people think.

You on the other hand are skating on a grey area because you are talking about involving a job.

The best way to bring it up in that situation is to steer clear of any connotations to the supernatural.

One way you could do it is by discussing dreams... lucid dreams... also it is worth bringing up Sleep paralysis as this is a pretty common thing amongst stressed teens and young adults.

One interesting thing I have found is that people taking SSRIs find it difficult to enter S.. also Diazepam and meth-amphetamines that are used to treat 'personality disorders' and the like aren't condusive with OOBEs.

[Summerlander]

One interesting thing I have found is that people taking SSRIs find it difficult to enter S.. also Diazepam and meth-amphetamines that are used to treat 'personality disorders' and the like aren't condusive with OOBEs.

CaitHT is bipolar. Doesn't she take SSRIs? Do you think she'd be projecting a lot more if she wasn't on the medication?

[Greytraveller]

Hallo the8reader
My advice is to talk to those youth on a one on one basis. Don't bring the subject of OBEs and astral projection up on a group level Because there are certain to be people who will be close minded and skeptical and that can immediately kill any meaningful discussion. So talk to as many people individually as possible. If a particular person is close minded or skeptical and refuses to believe, makes disparaging remarks etc then let it go and don't press the issue. Discuss OBEs at length only with people who show a positive outlook or who are open minded skeptics. That way you won't rub anyone the wrong way or waste your time.

Regards 
Grey

[Bedeekin]

Yes... glad you mentioned that actually.

We spoke for a while on Facebook before she managed OOBE.

She bypasses it by having morning experiences because she takes the medication last thing at night. She takes an SSRI.

[the8reader]

that is y i dont like takeing my meds. glad they only hb meds. i dont think they affect me since its easier to sleep when your bp is low.  as for the kids i was talking about, there are just a few here that want to do good and are just lost. they cant sleep, bad dreams ect... it has helped one kid out a bit but he has a hard time concontrateing but is getting better at that as well.

[Bedeekin]

It's really interesting actually.

I have often thought that OOBEs would be great for rehabilitating those with recovering spinal injuries... or those who are permanently paralysed.

[personalreality]

I, like our extraterrestrial overlord Bedeekin here, don't really give a $hit how people respond (or react).  It's my journey and I'm not telling them to follow, but maybe they would be interested and I inspire them.  Maybe they call me the devil, but what are they gonna do about it?

I gather that you really want to talk to people about this the8reader.  you should look at something like meetup.com and see if there are any local magic or AP or occult/mystic groups in your area, a place where you can meet people in person and discuss these things.  i wouldn't have come as far as I have if I didn't have a group of like minded friends growing up that would discuss this stuff with me.  It helps to talk to others about the feelings and insights you're having in your life.  It's good for everyone. 

[the8reader]

i just want to use it to help! not really talk to people about. i don't really like people haha. but i just think it could help some of theses kids that are so stressed and just lost i guess for a better word. if i had a group to talk to about this i prob still never talk about it. its kinda like pool for me. i will teach people pool and talk to them about it but never reveal all the secrets to the game. same as ap i will tell people just enough i guess to help them but nothing more. I'm at a strange point in my life to right now and i am trying to remedy that with meditation ap and what have you.

and now as i read this none of what i said makes sense wow. guess my brain is doing all the talking and I'm not even hear. o ya i member what it is, I'm a Pus*Y and cant speak my mind like i want to hahaha. to be honest if i had a group of friends to talk about ap with and they were my friends i would prob fine new friends. ima nerd in a way but also not a big nerd guess you could say i am a jock/assH***.

o wow rambaling again. Thing is i have never really been all that nice to people that are nerds,and talk about stuff like this... well one problem i ap alot starting from when i was young.. so i do fit in here but i don't haha.. so i am working on this whole being nice thing. starting with the kids at my work. not saying I'm trying to be mean right now just opening up sum. i do like this place and talking about ap but wouldnet be able to handle having friends that can do it to and would want to talk about it... idk got lots of growing up to do  and will get there someday. sorry for the rambaling.

[Summerlander]

It's really interesting actually.

I have often thought that OOBEs would be great for rehabilitating those with recovering spinal injuries... or those who are permanently paralysed.

If only Christopher Reeve was still alive, eh!

[Astral316]

It's really interesting actually.

I have often thought that OOBEs would be great for rehabilitating those with recovering spinal injuries... or those who are permanently paralysed.

I'm a mostly recovered paraplegic... meditation was next to impossible with chronic nerve pain and a number of medical conditions created by the injury. It was only after many months of recovery when I could get even begin training my focus again.

I agree though that "lucid dreaming" is the pc route to take with the subject.

[Re]

Yeah, through lucid dreams you approach the subject from a "not so weird" point of view, since it's something most people have experienced or have no problem accepting. You always have to be probing the person's suspension of disbelief though.

[personalreality]

i just want to use it to help! not really talk to people about. i don't really like people haha. but i just think it could help some of theses kids that are so stressed and just lost i guess for a better word. if i had a group to talk to about this i prob still never talk about it. its kinda like pool for me. i will teach people pool and talk to them about it but never reveal all the secrets to the game. same as ap i will tell people just enough i guess to help them but nothing more. I'm at a strange point in my life to right now and i am trying to remedy that with meditation ap and what have you.

and now as i read this none of what i said makes sense wow. guess my brain is doing all the talking and I'm not even hear. o ya i member what it is, I'm a Pus*Y and cant speak my mind like i want to hahaha. to be honest if i had a group of friends to talk about ap with and they were my friends i would prob fine new friends. ima nerd in a way but also not a big nerd guess you could say i am a jock/assH***.

o wow rambaling again. Thing is i have never really been all that nice to people that are nerds,and talk about stuff like this... well one problem i ap alot starting from when i was young.. so i do fit in here but i don't haha.. so i am working on this whole being nice thing. starting with the kids at my work. not saying I'm trying to be mean right now just opening up sum. i do like this place and talking about ap but wouldnet be able to handle having friends that can do it to and would want to talk about it... idk got lots of growing up to do  and will get there someday. sorry for the rambaling.

i understand perfectly well.

everyone has been mean to someone else at some time in their lives.  we can't help it, our society and our nature seem to encourage it.  you seem nice enough to me and i hope other people see the same. 

[Lexy]

yeah, lucid dreaming is actually sort of popular...it's when you talk about leaving your body that people think you are delusional. I remember asking people if they have dreams that feel like actual reality..they understood what I was talking about but it seems that it's something very rare for them. Plus they think of dreams as something that happens to them, not something that you can manipulate or control. The first time I brought it up to someone, I said I read a book about a guy who said he could project (Monroe) and asked if they thought that was possible. I got the usual delusional reaction. I think most people are more interested in earthly matters but it's true when someone is suffering they tend to think more spiritual, you might be able to help those kids. But if they seem disinterested, I would back off.