Etheric/RTZ plane

[djed]

Etheric /RTZ
When using a method to go OOB I usually enter the etheric plane or 'RealTimeZone', this plane still has a fascination for me, but I can never stay in it for long as I seem to spontaneously go quickly into the astral plane. Is there a way of re-entering the etheric from the astral?

[NoY]

the easyest way is to go back to your body and then project again


:NoY:

[djed]

Yeah, maybe thats the easiest, thanks NoY 

[CFTraveler]

I concur.  When you're in the astral, (or having an astral experience, lol) become aware of your body, and once the 'I'm lying in bed (or whatever) consciousness comes in stay like that with your eyes closed, wait for vibes or something like that, and then do an exit attempt.
Even though I normally don't get exit vibes, if I do this I do get them.

[Summerlander]

Etheric /RTZ
When using a method to go OOB I usually enter the etheric plane or 'RealTimeZone', this plane still has a fascination for me, but I can never stay in it for long as I seem to spontaneously go quickly into the astral plane. Is there a way of re-entering the etheric from the astral?

This is spot on. You are a natural for inducing what I call Mode 1 OOBEs, which are harder to enter than Mode 2 projections. As you have accurately described, Mode 1 or RTZ projections tend to be short-lived as one quickly phases into Mode 2 (the astral or metaphysical realm) OR returns to the body.

A way to induce Mode 1 OOBEs directly is to separate from deep state sleep paralysis or spend sometime in the vibrational state. Another way, which seems to do the job, is to become lucid in a dream really early on and then erase the dream content Bruce Almighty style. This usually leads to darkness and the acquirement of physical awareness. Once back in the body, because of the dream interruption halfway through, you are likely to find yourself in deep paralysis or a violent vibrational state. Separation upon returning from a dream in this way is likely to lead to a Mode 1 OOBE. Sometimes one is spontaneously cannon-balled out...other times one can get stuck in the body...usually at the head while phantom limbs float out.

I hate it when I get stuck but this is a barrier that can be overcome with will power or a bit of practice.

[Rudolph]

Etheric /RTZ
When using a method to go OOB I usually enter the etheric plane or 'RealTimeZone', this plane still has a fascination for me, but I can never stay in it for long as I seem to spontaneously go quickly into the astral plane. Is there a way of re-entering the etheric from the astral?

How do you "know" when you are in the astral proper versus the RTZ? I am working on my own cues but I am interested in what others are trying.

I used to project directly to astral or at least distant and unknown places and I had to specifically make a game plan to explore the RTZ and I had to really focus and concentrate to get through a good exploration of my house and neighborhood. Now I rollout into the bedroom the vast majority of the time. I have to use effort and focused intent to phase into the astral or higher now. I don't think I have ever wanted to return to the RTZ from the more distant regions.   
Why do you want to do that?

[djed]

@ Summer

A way to induce Mode 1 OOBEs directly is to separate from deep state sleep paralysis or spend sometime in the vibrational state. Another way, which seems to do the job, is to become lucid in a dream really early on and then erase the dream content Bruce Almighty style.

I like that! Thanks Summer for your educated explanations.

@Rudolph

How do you "know" when you are in the astral proper versus the RTZ? I am working on my own cues but I am interested in what others are trying.

In the etheric plane the light is (for me) a dull gray/yellow, when I am in Astral it is usually normal daylight.

I don't think I have ever wanted to return to the RTZ from the more distant regions.   
Why do you want to do that?

I guess cos its eery and yet it is closer to the physical world and I am interested in remote viewing and yet etheric is clearer and am wonderig just how far I could get away from the physbod. It could be useful 

[Summerlander]

It also seems like sometimes Mode 1 and Mode 2 can overlap. What you term "higher" I'd term more abstract or more removed from this reality, Rudolph. I guess people have their own reasons and preferences when it comes to destinations in the OOBE state.

For those who are not aware of this, the US government is known to have funded research on ESP in the past and remote viewing is alleged to have been used to spy on the enemy. If this is true then it wouldn't surprise me if Mode 1 OOBE phenomenon was also looked at. I think remote viewing is a milder form of Mode 1 projections just like daydreaming is a milder form of Mode 2...when you daydream, the mind is focusing somewhere else and not fully focused in the waking state...that's the beauty...we can be in many places at the same time.

In fact, even Mode 2 OOBEs can provide crucial/useful information as there is a good possibility of telepathic links being established which would facilitate access to the enemy's mind. I have visited people before in this type and I either saw what appeared to be in the minds of the visited at the time OR saw slightly inaccurate replicas of what they were actually doing at the time (Mode 2 OOBE visits pretty much can give you the gist of what is going on plus the 'mental bonus').

These are certain observations I made while experimenting and conducting my own study. Mode 2 OOBEs appear to facilitate 'telepathy'. It is as though in that state one is capable of entering the imagination, dreams, the unconscious and other mind states that belong to others.

Mode 1 or Mode 2? Which one is your favourite? Take your pick!

[djed]

Mode 2 OOBEs appear to facilitate 'telepathy'. It is as though in that state one is capable of entering the imagination, dreams, the unconscious and other mind states that belong to others.

This sounds like the theme of the film 'Inception' (which seem too conveluted for me, it could have been done better imo)

[Summerlander]

Trust me, the real thing is better than Inception. Try to visit someone in an OOBE. You will find that more often than not the experiences make more sense to the visited than the visitor. Try it!

[Rudolph]

In the etheric plane the light is (for me) a dull gray/yellow, when I am in Astral it is usually normal daylight.

During the day the RTZ is bright like day for me and at night it is a sort of silvery sheen like double strength Full Moonlight.

What you term "higher" I'd term more abstract or more removed from this reality, Rudolph. I guess people have their own reasons and preferences when it comes to destinations in the OOBE state.

I think I'll stick with 'higher'. It is easier to say than, "abstract or more removed from this reality".

I wonder if those who deny the 'levels' and 'higher realms' do that because they don't ever go there... or at least not very often.

(and when i say 'there' I do not mean a place one travels to. It is all a state of consciousness and there is no 'travel' per se)

[Tee1234]

During the day the RTZ is bright like day for me and at night it is a sort of silvery sheen like double strength Full Moonlight.

I think I'll stick with 'higher'. It is easier to say than, "abstract or more removed from this reality".

I wonder if those who deny the 'levels' and 'higher realms' do that because they don't ever go there... or at least not very often.

(and when i say 'there' I do not mean a place one travels too. It is all a state of consciousness and there is no 'travel' per se)

Interesting topic, before I jump in..

When I enter the astral, there's a few different places I go. Some people have different names, Im curious to what you perceive these places as. What is the astral plane, RTZ...etc.. define the definitions in your words so I know where your comin from.

[Rudolph]

RTZ (real time zone) is also called etheric layer by some but I think it is the earth zone that I find myself in when I just rollout and do not project anywhere.

Astral is the next realm that has been described as having numerous layers, for a reason.

Then there is mental/causal beyond astral.

Then there is atmic which is just beyond the threshold of these regions of duality and then there are regions beyond/above that....

[Contenteo]

Awesome topic and posts everyone.

I love your analysis Summer. Props.

Note on the lighting. It is interesting the lighting is the same color, especially a dull grey-yellow . Whenever I visit the astral, I have vivid dramatic colors like deep red sunsets.

A note on the "Mode 1" OOBE. Yeah, I only got their once and I was flushed in vibrations and had phantom control over my whole body, it was an intense scary sensation. It only lasted temporarily before shooting into your "Mode 2" OOBE. I am relatively inexperienced in both RTZ and astral projections, but I can see what you mean by not wanting to go back to visit the RTZ once you are in an astral state. It is so soft and fun there, why would you want anything different  . But on the other hand, I definitely want an RTZ projection to go visit some people. That has some purpose to it, where the astral projection seems to have a more esoteric purpose.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[djed]

@Contenteo

But on the other hand, I definitely want an RTZ projection to go visit some people. That has some purpose to it, where the astral projection seems to have a more esoteric purpose.

After reading a recent article on Remote Viewing, describing the results as having very fuzzy vision and unclear reality, I thought that my experience in RTZ was much clearer and could be used by the military with far greater results. But of course one would have to be able to stay out longer and travel about a thousand miles. So I want to get some practice in! , who knows I might get a good job in the military! 
Cheers djed 

[Summerlander]

But on the other hand, I definitely want an RTZ projection to go visit some people. That has some purpose to it, where the astral projection seems to have a more esoteric purpose.

You are quite right there about Mode 1 and 2 in regards to visits. You can visit living people in both but while Mode 1 projections can provide a more rigid and accurate information about the physical realm (unless, of course, both modes start overlapping)...

Mode 2 is mostly focused on the mental side of things (which may still provide the gist of what the visited are doing in actuality considering that our subconscious registers everything as we go about our business in the waking state). I'd also say that Mode 2 is more appropriate in getting the OOBEr to share someone else's dream and also...this type of projection is more appropriate if one wishes to contact the dead.

To be honest, whatever type of OOBE you have is a great experience because the Phase state phenomena is so elusive and fascinating. The "Phase" here being used as a broader term to mean both Modes.

But of course one would have to be able to stay out longer and travel about a thousand miles.

You wouldn't have to cover the distance. You can teleport there like an electron jumps from one quantum state to another without covering the "in between". This is because, as strange as this may sound, we are already there as consciousness extends beyond the physical body, and this is what Mode 1 OOBEs seem to show us, especially with the phantom limbs and the mini teleports or mouse trails. Mode 1 OOBEs are often characterised by a 'naked' consciousness that seems to want to pinpoint its whereabouts or tries to narrow the perspective of whereabouts. It's like, when you are 'out', so to speak, it asks itself... "where am I going to be"...or more precisely..."where to focus?"

Movement therefore can be a grump to control here. Good luck with the practice though and I hope you get a good top secret military job. Find out what the terrorists are cooking up!

[Contenteo]

Absolutely, to both of you. 

Hah, I don't know about top secret job, but even if I am semi proficient at Mode 1 phasing, I think that will add a great deal of culture to my existence. I create purpose everyday and this would be a cool weapon in my personal arsenal.

I have a pretty solid grasp of the majority of place you can go after a phasing process and a small amount of experience to back it up. I like you term's of "Mode's", Summer, because for a newcomer "OBEs" and phasing sound like too totally different things, and the same thing all at once. You know what I mean. Very confusing. Especially when one is not too knowledgeable on the subject. Your way of simply calling them "modes", denotes that a process has occurred, in this case phasing, and these two phenomenon are just different results from the process. A much more representational faithful way of describing the phenomenon. Props.

As a intellectual capital accountant who describes processes all day, I encourage everyone who reads this to use this method to describe this to others.

I will also add this to the chart I have been creating. describing the whole process. You all are going to love it.

Props to Summer.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[djed]

I encourage everyone who reads this to use this method to describe this to others.

Agreed Contenteo,
Mode1 OOBE = RTZ(etheric), Mode2 OOBE = Astral. 
Thanks for the input guys. 

[Tee1234]

Etheric /RTZ
When using a method to go OOB I usually enter the etheric plane or 'RealTimeZone', this plane still has a fascination for me, but I can never stay in it for long as I seem to spontaneously go quickly into the astral plane. Is there a way of re-entering the etheric from the astral?

I dont wanna get your definitions mixed up so im gonna give my own to respond.

When I exit my body I am in the physical world. I can stand next to my body and watch myself sleep. Is that the RTZ to you..?
 
Anyway as I move away from my body I enter the other world where it resembles the physical but things are outta place. Sometimes it seems like I have like a 10/15 ft radius before it switches or tranforms to this other place where I call the astral.

Ive actually been tryn to stay in the Physical world, making it like a mission but no matter what I try to do it eventually changes. I have had a few experiences where Ive got outta my house and got farther away but it still eventually changed. If I make it my mission to stay in the physical then I do get some progress but It always ends in going to the astral. I can sometimes feel the change as well.

Once im in the astral I cant get back to the physical unless I wake. Ive gone traveling and came back to my room to see if my body would be lying in my bed, but it just doesnt work like that for me. Once I enter this other place -astral, im there till I wake. Ive tryed this for so long and done so many weird things/experiments like this.

Instead of classifying all these different places, I just break it down to 2 different places. When I exit, Im either in our everyday world where we are right now, kinda like a ghost I guess -or- Im in the astral, I consider this to be everywhere except where I am right now sitting here typing this.

I dont know how you induce an obe, but Ive been doin some other stuff lately as well. When I induce an obe, I use the vibrations. When I enter the vibrational stage it will last like 15/30 sec and when it finishes i'll leave my body. During this vibrational stage I can will myself to be somewhere and when the vibration finishes, and I exit, I will be there. During the vibrations I'll concentrate on being in my GFs bedroom, and when they finish and I exit, i'll be in her room. But its not the physical world, its the astral. You can do this for anywhere like a beach, the moon etc...

I cant seem to be able to do it, exit and be somewhere in the physical world though. Its always the astral.
So many times, I told my girl that I would project, go to her house and talk to her, but I can only seem to get to her house and it be the astral house. I had some goofy thought that if I got her permission first that maybe it would make a difference. But everytime I exited to be standing in her room it was her astral room.

As for the 2 places i go when I exit(our everyday world-like a ghost -or- the Astral), I'm definitely really intrigued by staying here as well. Ive been meaning to videotape myself sleeping and see if I can catch myself exiting my body. If I get tired enough, minutes from sleep, I can time it, -press rec- , induce the vibrations, exit my body and maybe put on a little show for the camera.  ...At least thats my crazy plan

[djed]

When I exit my body I am in the physical world. I can stand next to my body and watch myself sleep. Is that the RTZ to you..?

Hiya Tee, this reminds me of three experiences when I saw my body and it was normal daylight. This is unusual, as normally, for me, I first exit to the etheric plane/RTZ which I know as low light. The first two experiences one from sleep mode and the other from wake state. All three were were spontaneous. The third experience was after I had been following the Occult method presented by Melita Denning and Osborne Phillips in their book 'Astral Projection', I woke up and I was looking at the side of my head from just about three feet away, in natural morning light.
So I would be interested to know what kind of meditation and what method you use in your preparation to project into this 'Physical' state that you encounter, because it is not the norm for most people.
The Physical state is your body lying there, but I am acknowledging your other 'physical' differentiation to the RTZ by these three experiences of mine.

Anyway as I move away from my body I enter the other world where it resembles the physical but things are outta place.

I am guessing you are doing an occult method that is giving you this extra dimension as it did mine.

Ive been meaning to videotape myself sleeping and see if I can catch myself exiting my body. If I get tired enough, minutes from sleep, I can time it, -press rec- , induce the vibrations, exit my body and maybe put on a little show for the camera.

This can't happen, Tee, as you would only see the astral body from astral consciousness, and the camera can only film the physical.

Thanks for your interesting post,
Cheers djed 

[Rudolph]

If I make it my mission to stay in the physical then I do get some progress but It always ends in going to the astral. I can sometimes feel the change as well.

I think the only way to stay in the physical is to stay in the physical body. The moment you exit the body you are extra-physical and perceiving the surroundings according to what some might call energy states. Apparently your immediate RTZ locale closely matches your physical reality but for many projectors this is not usually the case. When you go to your GFs house what about it makes you say, "it is the astral house"?

I am curious about this 'change' in feel you mention. I have noticed a similar effect. Can you describe this a little more?

[Tee1234]

Hiya Tee, this reminds me of three experiences when I saw my body and it was normal daylight. This is unusual, as normally, for me, I first exit to the etheric plane/RTZ which I know as low light. The first two experiences one from sleep mode and the other from wake state. All three were were spontaneous. The third experience was after I had been following the Occult method presented by Melita Denning and Osborne Phillips in their book 'Astral Projection', I woke up and I was looking at the side of my head from just about three feet away, in natural morning light.
So I would be interested to know what kind of meditation and what method you use in your preparation to project into this 'Physical' state that you encounter, because it is not the norm for most people.
The Physical state is your body lying there, but I am acknowledging your other 'physical' differentiation to the RTZ by these three experiences of mine. I am guessing you are doing an occult method that is giving you this extra dimension as it did mine.This can't happen, Tee, as you would only see the astral body from astral consciousness, and the camera can only film the physical.

Thanks for your interesting post,
Cheers djed 

To induce an obe, I only have 1 method. I dont meditate, unless you wanna call my technique a type of meditation.

When im tired enough for sleep, I lay on my back, close my eyes, dont move and stay aware.  As my body falls asleep, I never lose my awareness and when the big vibration comes, I remain calm, let it finish and exit. I just sit up outta bed like I normally would, except im not using my physical body.

Its the only way I ever did it, no exceptions. Some people say they dont get the vibrations when they exit, or they used to, but now they dont or not any more. I always get them/it. I always did.

As for the camera thing, its just an idea. Maybe even if you cant see anything, I might be able to cause some kind of interference by touching it or screaming into the mic -who knows. Yes Im with you, its probably pointless but Im gonna try it anyway.

[Tee1234]

I think the only way to stay in the physical is to stay in the physical body. The moment you exit the body you are extra-physical and perceiving the surroundings according to what some might call energy states. Apparently your immediate RTZ locale closely matches your physical reality but for many projectors this is not usually the case. When you go to your GFs house what about it makes you say, "it is the astral house"?

I am curious about this 'change' in feel you mention. I have noticed a similar effect. Can you describe this a little more?

For me to answer this question you would have to believe me when I say that when I first exit, Im in the physical, not the astral where it resembles the physical. I could be standing there looking at my body. I stay in this place until the change, when I get farther from my body. Like i said, Ive experimented to see when exactly it would change and for the most part you can feel yourself crossover.

Ive stood there next to my bed and watched my body disappear, stuff like that, or turned around quickly and there would be a hallway where there would normally be a wall, stuff like that lets you know you switched to the astral. Sometimes If im paying close attention I can feel it. Its hard to explain, its like feeling a sound instead of hearing a sound. Feels something like static, like if you were to turn off the tv and touch the screen to feel the static, thats what you feel in your head, in your ears, very subtle. Another way to explain it would be the vibrations for the exit. Its similar to that, just way milder. You can even miss it if your not looking for it.

But yes Ive also exited right into the astral as well. Whether it be the other way I explained like the beach... or just simply bypassing the physical. But for the most part I almost always leave my body to be in the physical and shortly after I cross over.

You asked me about my GFs house and how I know its the Astral..? ..Cause things are outta place.

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

I too sense the drastic change from RTZ(or very close to it) to astral. It happens so suddenly. Just turning around quickly can cause the dimensional shift.

[Rudolph]

You asked me about my GFs house and how I know its the Astral..? ..Cause things are outta place.

Okay. That's what I was wondering... I think most here would say that is classic RTZ. Stuff outta place... missing stuff, extra stuff.... ALL standard in the RTZ.

When you get out of the swimming pool you are out of the pool. You might still be wet but you really are standing on dry land. What you are calling the 'crossover' may be more like an RTZ/astral breeze drying off the last few drops of physical-ness.