Evidence of Reincarnation?

[Killa Rican]

http://www.wimp.com/pastlife/

I found this video posted on another 'paranormal' forum.

It's 46 minutes long but its an interesting watch. It's about a little boy who began telling stories about himself in a different life at the age of 2.

What are your thoughts on this, And how would you react if this was your child?

[Xanth]

I've heard of such stories before.  Like one where a small child in, I think it was Ireland, talked about her "other family".  They eventually took her to another village nearby, where she recognized the landscape, the house she lived in, her husband and children from that previous life and recounted all the various stories about them.  Quite fascinating.

It doesn't explicitly "prove" reincarnation... it could be one of many other things.  It could be evidence that we're all intrinsically linked (we are ONE).
Regardless of what the basis behind all of it is, it's pretty cool. 

[Summerlander]

I agree with Xanth.

[ether2]

My opinion A Spirit liveing different lifes in different bodys

good luck

love all

[Ident]

I agree with Xanth, too. There is oddness in the world and it can be easy to jump to a conclusion consistent with one's own belief system when uncovering fresh data. I don't have any convincing explanation that this isn't evidence of reincarnation but I simply have to mark it as a datum and allow them to accumulate.

[Summerlander]

Good strategy!

[Volgerle]

for whoever is interested, this bilingual channel is FULL of these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDJConrad


just a little selection from those vids (there are many more, about 50, all the same topic):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcLT5EaOFtM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsyLs5mdvFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH2BJLq3wKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGT7rgSlf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThgQVCMtjpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZfEhUQTxRM


even T. Campbell and Buhlman, 'heroes' for many here in this forum  , are featured in interviews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkwdHpc42k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SACpJ3sJ3eI


Two of the most famous regression therapists, Michael Newton and Brian Weiss, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckdve9jkMoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTc4TmcUN4w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNSDaX4a6E

[Karas]

My proof of recarnation Is being here in this day and age. People say we are in the last days and if that to be true, then why are we all here now living in the last days? That wouldn't be fair on us cause were born where the world falls apart >_> so we must of lived before other wise we wouldn't be here now. Why can't we be in the roman days or something? So yea that's my Evidence ^^

[Summerlander]

Why can't we be in the roman days or something?

Because they are long gone...

[Rudolph]

Yes. Of course it is evidence.

[Summerlander]

How have you arrived at this conclusion?

[Volgerle]

Next to the channel which I linked above, I would of course like to recommend (since it is even much better) a study of the literature. But beware, there is of course a multitude of rather silly and overtly 'new-agey' stuff related to reincarnation on offer.

However, there are some very good research books on the market, too, even from a University.

My recommendations:

Actually, all works of Ian Stevenson.

Here's some info on him on this webpage. On the right, you find his books. Some say that "20 cases ..." is the best (I haven't read that one though). The biology books (about birthmarks and traumas) also seem pretty interesting and compelling.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html

Here is just one example by Stevenson of 3 cases in Sri Lanka examined posted as pdf by the Scientific Exploration Society:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_02_2_stevenson.pdf

But don't forget: his department at the University of Virginia has meanwhile many thousands (!!) of cases documented on file.

I also recommend the book by Jim B. Tucker, who is Stevenson's successor at this University (also featured in some of the films of the channel). In his book "Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Lives", Tucker critically examines all other hypotheses as well, 'normal' as well as 'paranormal' explanations. It is well done, I strongly recommend it.

I also recommend some books of the most renowned regression therapists. Next to Brian Weiss, I would especially like to mention Michael Newton who has made a very detailed and systematic approach of his client's acccounts, it is excellent research in my eyes.
If you like start with his book "Journey Of Souls", which is a very interesting read. Also, his newest one ("Memories of the Afterlife: Life Between Lives Stories of Personal Transformation") contains accounts of over 30 therapists from his institute around the world.

It gives you an overall picture that is all-in-all pretty consistent and coherent to me - moreover if compared with R. Monroe's and other APers accounts of 'the afterlife' areas.

Speaking of the expert and (more or less well-known) publishing APers, almost all of them leave no doubts about their conviction that we are consciousness that can make a 'repeated' experience in/as physical (and other) life forms. And that's what reincarnation is if we unveil the mystic and new-agey language: a repeated and repeat-able experience of a (as Campbell calls it) 'individuated' consciousness unit (which is, I also assume, is what we are). Would it make sense otherwise just to 'come here once'? Why give it only one shot?

Many APers even experienced their previous incarnations, some, such as Monroe, also wrote about them. But also others I read of, as far as I remember (in books or online), leave no doubts about it: W. Buhlman, B. Moen, T. Campbell, A. Taylor, K. Leland (he's on the AD-forum!), R. Stack., J. Ziewe (he's here on this forum!), R. Petterson, N. Newport, F. Dodson, ...

Here's an interesting talk by T. Campbell on the topic of "shifting data streams" : by reincarnating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RORIyVXBgQ

And how about F. Kepple and R. Bruce? Well, even they do support it ...!

Interestingly: I once asked R. Bruce about this in his forum. Then he still seemed more skeptical first, telling me he 'needs more data' and that he is not sure exactly "what" it is (well, who knows EXACTLY anyway?).

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?10851-Your-Past-Lives&highlight=past+lives

However, he now also seems to favour now the "simultaneous" model as well as Kepple does. (I also remember that N. Newport does so from his Oversoul course). Here is an article about this from R.B.:

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/teachingsrealizations/181-reincarnation.html

And last but not least, here is F. Kepple criticising the linear model, but thus revealing his own view of the 'multiple reincarnations' model in this paragraph (which actually is nothing revolutionary new: one time, one consciousness, one source, ...) :

"For example, the Monroe model is excessively individualistic. This makes it ideal for beginners, but each of us is a focus-personality participating in a simultaneous cycle of manifestation. As opposed to the reincarnational cycle that Monroe appears to support, along with mainstream religious and New Age models. Not that I actually know much about mainstream religion or New Age, but from what I gather they generally support the somewhat incorrect reincarnational model, as opposed to the correct simultaneous model." - F. Kepple (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html)

On a last note: Bruce and Kepple are often seen as opposing poles in their views (especially here), but isn't it nice and interesting to see now that they also have a few things in common, like here?

Sorry for the long post, but as you see, next to AP I really like this topic. It fascinates me. 

[Summerlander]

I see...

Thanks for the wealth of information! There seems to be something there...

I'm currently reading Campbell's "My Big TOE - Book 3: Inner Workings", perhaps I'll stumble upon this phenomenon in more depth.

I personally think that on some level of consciousness we are all the same mind.

[Rudolph]

How have you arrived at this conclusion?

Because it is.


1ev·i·dence
noun \ˈe-və-dən(t)s, -və-ˌden(t)s\
Definition of EVIDENCE
1
a : an outward sign : indication

[Summerlander]

Yes, I know what you mean. But it could also be evidence for other things instead of just jumping on the reincarnation bandwagon and your next post should say "such as what?"

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[Pauli2]

And how about F. Kepple ...? Well, even they do support it ...!

I don't think Frank supported reincarnations, as he did NOT support the concept of
past lives -> see this link where Frank wrote:


"So to fly directly in the face of the zillions of mystics who claim otherwise,
none of us can possibly have a "past" life. ...

We have never been them and we will never become them. Sorry to anyone
who ever paid good money for a "past life reading" and all that."

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Edit: See this link too:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/reincarnation_frank_kepple_vs_bruce_moen-t31327.0.html

[Volgerle]

I don't think Frank supported reincarnations, as he did NOT support the concept of
past lives -> see this link where Frank wrote:


"So to fly directly in the face of the zillions of mystics who claim otherwise,
none of us can possibly have a "past" life. ...

We have never been them and we will never become them. Sorry to anyone
who ever paid good money for a "past life reading" and all that."

---


Edit: See this link too:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/reincarnation_frank_kepple_vs_bruce_moen-t31327.0.html

Without reading the links (sorry, but I might do later) I think you miss the point here, because his argumentation is (as R. Bruce also does) that there is no "past" (as well as no "future"). It is about semantics and reality concepts to describe it (or the other way round: how you use semantics to describe your model). In this model: All is "now". And in the "now" you then have "multiple, simultaneous" lives/incarnations instead. This isn't so different from my quote of Kepple (and Bruce).

I still find this a bit of pseudo-intellectual hairsplitting, if you ask me, because they miss out on the "frame of reference" (which I have explained elsewhere) that makes "past" (life) the right or wrong terminology - depending on the angle (frame of reference) you choose to look from.

[Xanth]

Exactly Volgerle.

Franks particular beliefs revolve around there not being any form of "time" in the non-physical.  Meaning, as you said, that *ALL* multiple lives are being lived simultaneously, however they're a part of you, but they're not you.  But he certainly did have a concept of "multiple lives", just not in the "Past" tense.  They haven't already happened... they're happening RIGHT NOW and will always happen.

But yeah, that's all just from Franks perspective from my interpretation of his posts... it's not exactly my beliefs.

[astraladdict]

Can i ask? what are your belifes? Don't take it as dissing or anything. I'm honestly curious.

~astraladdict

[Xanth]

Dissing... hehe 

Honestly, I used to have an opinion on reincarnation... but I don't really anymore.

[astraladdict]

Dissing... hehe 

Honestly, I used to have an opinion on reincarnation... but I don't really anymore.

Late at night, that was the only words i could think of . Why don't you anymore?

~astraladdict

[Xanth]

Simple really, because I don't know. 

[astraladdict]

That.... says a lot?

~astraladdict