Erin Pavlina

APVirgin · August 08, 2011, 05:48:45

Hi All,

I have been regulary practicing AP now for about 5 months without a successful projectiion so far. I felt comfortable and without fear until last night. I stumbled upon Erin Pavlina's website and now feel fear about AP. Her site talks about 4 month battles with Demons etc. Is she for real? I now seriously having second thoughts and wanted some thoughts/opinions from the Astral Pulse bunch.

moker · August 08, 2011, 06:10:59

I don't know if demons exist.
But the life in the physical world is also dangerous, actually everything is dangerous if you think about it.

I don't say that you should not care about fear of danger.
But danger is always there you can't avoid it.

But the most excitement is in that what is not explored yet.
In the early days the exploreres went from Europe with ships to the other side of the sea to the East.
They could also stay at home, but they were curious about what was at the other side of the sea.

It is the same with Astral projection i think.
The other side of the sea is the Astral world.

You should ask yourself are you the type of person that likes to walk in front to create new roads.
Or are you the type of person who walks the roads when they are build and secured.

Orion- · August 08, 2011, 06:37:19

I can't confirm or deny the existence of negative entities. I don't have a lot of experience, but I know, that fear is not a good thing. Many things are based on perception. If you're afraid, you might see a totally normal thing as a negative and scary thing. If you have a lot of fear, you might attract possible negative entities.

If you have a deep deep fear of demons you might imagine demons, and they will feel real to you. But... they aren't. If you see them, I would suggest trying to switch perspective. Stop fearing them and ask them why they are there. Ask them what their goal is. Try to see what they really are, maybe they are not demons but are you just seeing them as "demons". If you still don't like them, you can ask them to go away or stop following you.

If you fear them you give them power. While I still strongly doubt that they can hurt you, fearing them gives them some power and control. By thinking "I'm afraid because they can do x or y", you sort of assume they can do those things and give them permission. And in the end, still they can't really harm you. The worst thing that can happen is that you wake up, like you had a nightmare.

Also I really don't think demons in the "creatures from hell" idea exist. I think that's just fear mongering.

Xanth · August 08, 2011, 08:49:55

Quote from: APVirgin on August 08, 2011, 05:48:45
Hi All,

I have been regulary practicing AP now for about 5 months without a successful projectiion so far. I felt comfortable and without fear until last night. I stumbled upon Erin Pavlina's website and now feel fear about AP. Her site talks about 4 month battles with Demons etc. Is she for real? I now seriously having second thoughts and wanted some thoughts/opinions from the Astral Pulse bunch.

Venture out into consciousness KNOWING you're safe and sound, and you will be such.
Venture out into consciousness with nothing but Love in your heart and you'll be fine.

Stookie_ · August 08, 2011, 11:28:41

Quote from: APVirgin on August 08, 2011, 05:48:45
Hi All,

I have been regulary practicing AP now for about 5 months without a successful projectiion so far. I felt comfortable and without fear until last night. I stumbled upon Erin Pavlina's website and now feel fear about AP. Her site talks about 4 month battles with Demons etc. Is she for real? I now seriously having second thoughts and wanted some thoughts/opinions from the Astral Pulse bunch.

If you heard about someone getting mugged once in Hawaii, would that stop you from wanting to go to Hawaii?

astraladdict · August 08, 2011, 11:31:16

A lot happens in the realm, but each experience is unique for each individual. Nothing can hurt you, have no fear.

~astraladdict

Lionheart · August 08, 2011, 15:54:35

Maybe her 4 month battles with Demons were her own Demons. If you go looking for them, you will likely find them, since thought equals action.

pondini · August 08, 2011, 16:25:20

i think each person's experience is unique to their mindset. you would have to be very fearful to see demons. before my first experience i was fearful because i had read monroe's books and some of it sounded pretty scary, yet i mentally stepped-up and never have had a scary experience. i really don't understand the benefit of her -as an experienced OBEr- posting negative stuff in abundance like that. a responsible and educated OBEr would know to not color another person's experience by pushing fear. just my opinion.

personalreality · August 09, 2011, 09:21:53

if i might quote nike for a moment

*ahem*

just do it.

APVirgin · August 09, 2011, 18:51:57

Hi All,

I just wanted to say thank you for all the encouraging comments and I do feel much better about the whole thing now. I do wonder why this person would want to put so many negative articles onto her site in the first instance. I have decided to shed my fear and as Pondini stated I'm stepping up.

daytona955 · August 10, 2011, 04:01:21

I too started out on this path by reading Erin's articles, and I must admit that I also shared some of the same fears. But what I have come to learn so far happens to be the same as what the majority of people on here have already told you. Just relax and go with it, nothing can hurt you.
I must admit I did find Erin's pages rather fantastical, and upon reaching the Astral Pulse I discovered a more practical and believable theory, that been the 'Frank Kepler Resource'. -

http://www.astralpulse.com/Frankel.HTML

Check it out, but remember this is still only ones persons view on it all and nothing has been proven.

Good luck!

Xanth · August 10, 2011, 08:44:57

That should be: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

pondini · August 10, 2011, 14:59:59

APV, actually, the kepple PDF works well in context to this thread; in the beginning of his travels he spent 4 years battling dragons, yet he chose to return to the battlefield each night. i'm not sure how much he learned during that time (the main purpose of OBEs, imho), but apparently fear took a back seat to the experiences, as he chose to continue pursuing them.

you have already shown impressive determination by renouncing your fears, something i believe most of us here can relate to. good for you, my man!

Xanth · August 10, 2011, 15:11:52

Well, you have to understand that that was what Frank thought the "astral" was all about.
After he expanded his awareness more he realized that it was only scratching the surface of what non-physical exploration was all about. It has nothing to do with "fighting", "demons" or whatever.

It is about conquering yourself. Mastering yourself. Growing yourself.

Volgerle · August 10, 2011, 15:54:42

Do affirmations beforehand that you only want to meet (or even better: be helped by) individuals that are

1. more advanced than you
2. are able and 3. willing to help you.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/facilitators/the-gateway-affirmation/#printpreview

And all will be fine.

bluremi · August 10, 2011, 17:25:06

When you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on
You see devils tearing your life away
But if you've made your peace
Then the devils are really angels
Freeing you from the earth

APVirgin · August 10, 2011, 18:59:45

Hi All,

Many thanks for all the positive comments. To add to this a month or so into my practice, I had an interesting dream.

I was wandering around in a bleak urban area that felt very grim. I entered into this building and could hear a not very nice voice. Being a dream I suddenly recall finding myself in a plane with the back end open escaping, like in war movies, and this horrible creature appeared. I just stood there facing it knowing that nothing could happen and that I had power. Weird, but when I woke, I knew I had nothing to fear.

I now realise this recent fear is just a silly set back and all thanks to those on here that have helped me realise this. I just need to actually experience the non physical now to realise there is nothing to fear and confront myself if need be.

Out of interest, what does it feel like to enter the mass consciousness and realise we are not simply our physical shells? If anyone would like to try and put it into words.

Summerlander · August 10, 2011, 19:17:47

Quote from: bluremi on August 10, 2011, 17:25:06
When you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on
You see devils tearing your life away
But if you've made your peace
Then the devils are really angels
Freeing you from the earth

You like Jacob's Ladder, uh? That cherub doctor was brilliant.

Xanth · August 10, 2011, 19:56:15

Quote from: bluremi on August 10, 2011, 17:25:06
When you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on
You see devils tearing your life away
But if you've made your peace
Then the devils are really angels
Freeing you from the earth

Very nice... I'm assuming from Summerlander that it's a quote?

Everything is perception.

mels8780 · August 17, 2011, 12:38:46

idk if I believe in spirits who are like, evil. As in evil by nature. I believe in people who decide to be bad though. I wont say bad things out there are all conjured up by you, because it sounds dumb. Its like saying its all good and the astral cant have bad people in it (well, not "like" saying it, it is saying that..lol). Ive heard encounters where people weren't expecting or thinking about A B or C. Ive also heard some things claiming it was easy to be safe though, with your thoughts, like hm conjure things, be confident

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