What are Deja vus?

[Athios]

Oh yes, forgot to mention my own experiences. [|)]

Most of time, when it happens, it just get feeling (or know) that this particular event has happened before.
Not something like it, not something I remember from memory, not something I remember from dreams (I know since I can remember my dreams when I wake up), but this exact thing.
They happen anywhere at anytime, but most of the time it includes me reading or watching something, or talking to someone.
About 60% of the time, the feeling is really strong and lasts 5-10 seconds; and ~25% of the time, the feeling is pretty weak and lasts only 2-3 seconds. Sometimes, though rarely, it's strong enough that I can actually accurately predict what is going to happen next. For example, I'd know that that guy is going to say a particular sentence...

Ah yes, and here are the statistics for occurences I got from asking my friends:
1 - twice a week      <-- my close friend, and he's not exaggerating
2 - twice a month     <-- I'm in this group
1 - 10 a year
1 - 2-3 a year
2 - Never happened before

[fredhedd]

some people believe the universe will collapse in on itself and then expand again infinitely.  if this happens we will be born again and do the exact things that we are doing now/then forever.  since we would have already experienced everything that we are about to do, we get the feeling that we've already done it.  i thought i already told you this?

[PeacefulWarrior]

First of all i don't agree with the idea FredHed pout forth (and it doesn't sond like he believes that either).  I annot say for sure what the deja vu feeling represents, but I do have an opinion:

I think we often times see the future in our dreams or suring OBE, actually I believe a part of our soul (higher-self) knows, like God, everything (omnipresent) and I think sometimes we tap into that part of ourselves and thus we get THAT feeling which is indescribable and often times wonderful (and even scary).

I myself have had dreams which have come true and the feeling, even in the dream, was similar to deja vu.

Welcome to the forums!

-Dan

[Athios]

fredhedd
"i thought i already told you this?"  []  Hahahaha! Nice one!
Although, I personally don't agree with this type of explanation, since it always comes to the point of "If everything's already been done before, what's the point of doing it again?" [xx(]


PeacefulWarrior
Having dreams come true sounds really cool! [8D]
But as for deja vus, what would be the point of having them in the the first place? You don't get that feeling until the event is already happening, so it's not like you can change anything...

Plus, almost all of the times I get a deja vu, it's for some 'ordinary' event. Like seeing some guy that I don't know walking down the street. I mean, I don't see any prophetic value in knowing about that... []

[Child of the Forest]

Sylvia Browne said something about Deja vus that makes sence. Before we come to this planet, incarnate for this lifetime, we write ourselves a "chart" of the things we wish to accomplish and or lessons we wish to learn; things we wish to enhance spiritually. This does not mean we wrote down every single thing that is going to happen to us, but it means we write certain people into our lives certain situations that will help us grow spiritually by learing those specific lessons and accomplishing those certaiun things we chose to come here for. Sylvia says that deja vus are like litte signposts rminding us that we are still on the right track. It can also be remebering writing somthing on the chart. Or perhaps also they can be memories of similar experiences you had in a past life, hence getting a weaker version of that feeling.

deja vus are exciting to get, especially when they are strong ones and you are able to predict what will be said next.

Have you ever had dream deja vu? Like where you are in a dream and remember haviong that samne exacvt dream before, but never actually did? Like getting that feeling in a dream?

[Nay]

[] My thoughts exactly 'Child Of The Forest' !! I was going to explain that myself until I read your Post..WELL SAID[]

[sora]

As Athios said, deja vus aren't always prophetic. For me, they never are. I get them quite often, in spurs (sometimes I'll get two in a week or two in a month). I guess the theory of signposts makes sense--thinking harder on it, it makes tons of sense--but I can imagine why I get deja vus during school.

When I deja vu, it's not normally that I hear someone say something or that I'm reading something, it's normally in class at school. One of my more memorable expreiences is in French class. We were all seated in a circle, about to read out loud a childrens' play written in French. Everyone was kind of chatting, and suddenly, I knew that I had experienced this situation before, yet I knew I hadn't. The seating arrangment, the gibberish one of my friends was spouting for the sake of talking, the noise level--everything!! Irritated by this feeling (I had recently had one or two deja vus and they drive me nuts) I tried to escape it by turning away and focusing away from the class. I looked at the writing on the board. It was still a deja vu!! The "last time it happened" (as I refer to it) I had looked at the board then. Unfortunatly, last time the date was different, yet I knew there never had been a last time! Even more disturbed by this extended deja vu, I looked over at the other wall. And there again, I had the deja vu feeling, yet once again in the "last time" that never happened, the writing on the wall was different.

Normally I can end these extended feelings by talking about it to someone, yet when I turned and interrupted my friend, still going on about something unimportant, the feeling only ceased for a moment and once again I had felt that I had already told her about this deja vu before.

Now, it's bad enough that I couldn't escape the feeling, but what's even weirder is that date written on the board was different last time. But there never was a last time!! So in my personal experiences, this completely demolishes the idea of having seen it in a dream or vision of some sort. (I'm not saying that it's not possible, but in this situation it wasn't).

So... where do we get these annoying feelings? One of my friends, an expert on clairvoyancy, physic phenomina, (and forces of demons, dark and evil, which she isn't actually supposed to have told me) once suggested I might be physic. But she told me to hold up my hand. I did, and she looked at it (I can't figure out what she was looking for) and told me I wasn't.

Deja vus drive me insane!!

[cainam_nazier]

I have several ideas on what "could" be hapening durring a DV.

1.  Re-calling a previous, and at the time precognative, dream.  This would in some cases explain the small differences often reported.  Mostly with written word variances because of the difficulty reading in dreams.

2.  Past life memory, as stated in above post.
3.  Endless loop theory, as stated in above post.

4.  Brain stumble/down load problem.  I see this as a real possability but many will dissagree.  It is popssible for the brain to some what trip over it's own functions.  What I am suggesting is that for what ever reason the brain does this and it creats down load problems with the memory.  I suggest that when this happens the brain requires a "warm boot", and it would be during this process that the DV occures.  It would seem logical that, if this were to happen, that the brain might need a quick refresher to figure out whats going on again.  So a short bit of memory is replayed, and thus is created the "feeling" of having already done some thing.  The differences of between the two memories would be a case of lost or damamged information as a result of the stumble.


another one I thought of.
5.  A mind split.  Under this I suggest that for what ever reason your mind wonders and you actually experience a mind/consiousness split.  The feeling of the DV would come from not having done it before but that you are in one instance experiencing one event from two different perspectives.  The mild confusion that sets in durring a DV would most likely come from the intergration of the two memories when there is only room for one.  So I suggest that unlike with lost memory from AP, this memory gets layered.  This layering effect would make you able to recall both experiences but as a combined unit and not as seperate memories.  This also could explain some of the differences between the two memories as some information could get altered durring the down load due to the multiple memories.

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[Athios]

Child of the Forest
Thanks for your response! Btw, who is Sylvia Browne? []
Anyway, I think that explanation seems quite plausible (it fits with my current idea of life/afterlife), but you'd really think I might've chosen some more significant 'signposts', like buying a car, picking a major, getting a job... []

I haven't had any dream deja vus. In fact, I don't have too much going on with my dreams, other than them being really crisp and clear (like watching a DVD movie). The most I've gotten are a few spontaneous but short (~10 second) lucid dreams, a few significant dreams (that make me think about my current life/situation), and tons and tons of false awakenings (which get kinda annoying [|)]). I think I had a dream with three false awakenings in it. Man, that was so confusing.
I also found that I could access memory of my dreams while still dreaming. For example, during one lucid dream (the strongest one), I could retrace my path I took earlier to leave this university kind of place (but woke up soon after that).
And there was one time I was in a dream (half-lucid), and I could feel myself sleeping on bed! Wow, I guess I do have a lot going on in my dreams... []

sora
Hahaha... thanks for sharing your experience! That actually sounds a little scary not being able to get rid of a deja vu feeling. But at least it's not something bad happening (and feeling that it's happened before)... []
Anyway, I think the different dates really would actually be an indication that it may be from a dream experience, as cainam_nazier explained.

cainam_nazier
The 'brain stumble/download problem' would not explain how you'd be able to predict that something would happen based on your deja vu experience...
Btw, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'it creates download problems with the memory.' Do you mean during the process of storing memory of what is currently happening? But still, even if you were to have problems, I don't see why storing memory for an insignificant event would have higher mental 'process priority' than what is currently going on in your life.

re: mind split
WOW! I mean... I don't know what to say... After you think about it, that actually seems really possible. It makes a lot of sense that your mind would be wandering, especially when you're doing unspectacular or monotonous/repetitive stuff.
But isn't it odd that you'd get such a mind split (of this magnitude) so often? I mean, to daydream and such is normal, but to have your conciousness divided so much that you'd get an OBE integration-type thing going on (while awake!)?
I guess it's possible, but my friend doesn't do OBE or energy stuff (and doesn't recall having any such experiences), and yet he gets deja vu twice a week! Wow... I guess I have to think about this for a while...

[Parmenion]

What does it mean when you are progressively experiencing more frequent deja-vu's? For example, i hardly ever had them prior to my interest in esoterism, maby one a year.Since I started learning about various spiritual and occult topics I have been having them on a more regular basis.Three in the last seven days.My own thoughts are that it is either a sign of development or a sign of increased awareness to the non-physicall. Or both. However, there must be a better explination. Anyone?

Parmenion

[sora]

cainam_nazier
The mind split idea is really amazing in a philosophical way. It really makes you think. Of all your ideas, I think I believe the one about your brain's computer malfunctioning, but I'm not sure.

Parmenion
In your case, cainam_nazier's suggestions on your mind's computer and on your mind splitting both could work with you situation. In the case of your mind breaking down and needing a reboot, you could say that your brain has had more and more reason to reboot. After all, as you learn more about spirits, you have more to think of, and are therefore more likely to crash the system with too much information.
If deja vus are caused by a sudden mind split, perhaps you have more occuring because you're beginning to discover a part or aspect of yourself and this is causing you to see something "experience one event from two different perspectives", as cainam_nazier suggested.

Either way, I guess it could be theorized that you're mind has had more to conquer because you have been paying more attention to the non-physical, something that your mind may not be used to.

There are a million other answers; maybe none of us will ever discover the write one...

(oooh... it sounds so... mysteries. odd. normally i like to run around and yell and act like a foolish moron. [] optimism is so much fun!)

[lateralus897]

cainam_nazier, I am very much intrigued and interested by your mind-split theory. As sora said, it really does make you think. A question though (if this is just something you got off the top of your head dont worry about it), are you saying a projection that we are unaware of has happened during a deja vu? Or maybe your astral body has wandered down into the rtz and just wandered into the area you are currently occupying?

[cainam_nazier]

Athios

quote:The 'brain stumble/download problem' would not explain how you'd be able to predict that something would happen based on your deja vu experience...

This is true, it doesn't.  But I feel it is still possible for "some" occurrances.

quote: But still, even if you were to have problems, I don't see why storing memory for an insignificant event would have higher mental 'process priority' than what is currently going on in your life.

Wether you are aware of all the details or not your brain records ALL information it receives on a 24/7/365 schedual.  Basically it never stops.  You may not always be able to consiously access that information but it it there.  The stumble that causes the DjV would not mean that the memory is any more important, I feel as it is just re-played as re-orient the brain as to what is going on around you.

quote:But isn't it odd that you'd get such a mind split (of this magnitude) so often? I mean, to daydream and such is normal, but to have your conciousness divided so much that you'd get an OBE integration-type thing going on (while awake!)?
I guess it's possible, but my friend doesn't do OBE or energy stuff (and doesn't recall having any such experiences), and yet he gets deja vu twice a week! Wow... I guess I have to think about this for a while...

First off, It could be argued that your friend would not need to be into or knowladgable of OBE's, energy work, or any thing spiritual to be able to willingly or even unwillingly have a projection experience.  Most will say that every one, every where, projects every night.  That's one arguement any way.   But in truth I would have to know your friend and how they think, you know, spiritually and such.  
Ultimately the only way we would be able to study this at all would be to have people like you and your friend try a few things, because of frequency of uit happening.  If you really want to test the mind split idea then next time it happens try letting yourself slip into it.  Let go as you would with projection attempts.  See what happens.  If the length of the DjV increases then that would rule out a brain stumble, because my feeling with this is that you have have no control over what is going on.  If you can maintain, or even seperate out the memories from two different "halves" then the mind split idea would need more investigation.



Parmenion

I know that I have only ever had 2.  It could just be like with projection.  Some can start as soon as they decide to, with in the same hour, but yet others it has taken years.  One of the great misteries of life I guess.

lateralus897

quote:are you saying a projection that we are unaware of has happened during a deja vu? Or maybe your astral body has wandered down into the rtz and just wandered into the area you are currently occupying?

Yes I did think of it off the top of my head but it was one of those really cool ones where you get everything in one shot.  More like a sudden realization, so I will answer the question.
  It would be more like a projection occurring or starting to occurre.  But an actual mind split into two seperate points of consiousness.  Hence the often duality of the event, and the creation of the two seperate memories then being hammered together.

[Athios]

cainam_nazier

quote:Originally posted by cainam_nazier


Wether you are aware of all the details or not your brain records ALL information it receives on a 24/7/365 schedual.  Basically it never stops.  You may not always be able to consiously access that information but it it there.

Yeah, i remember there's this syndrome-like thingie that would make a person remember every single detail about everything that's happened in their life, and they never forget anything. I guess that's plain proof that what you're saying is correct.
As for the brain-stumble thing... is this supposed to be a physical thing? Or a metaphysical thing?

quote:Most will say that every one, every where, projects every night.  That's one arguement any way.

Yeah, I agree with that, just kinda forgot, hehehe......

quote:next time it happens try letting yourself slip into it.  Let go as you would with projection attempts.  See what happens.

Yeah, I already asked my friend to try that.
If you've read sora's post above, her deja vu just went on and on... I just don't think you're brain would be that screwed up... []


Parmenion
Maybe why you're getting more deja vus depends on what you think they are...
For example, if you believe they are signposts, then it means you're getting more signals that you're on the right track. If you believe they're something else, then it will mean something different...

lateralus897

quote:are you saying a projection that we are unaware of has happened during a deja vu? Or maybe your astral body has wandered down into the rtz and just wandered into the area you are currently occupying?

Don't you have to physically super-relaxed to get any kind of projection? You know, that's the point of the relaxation and trance exercises, right?

[Parmenion]

Another one today. Some of these deja-vu's i remember as being dreams, some having happened years previous. What got me thinking though is the last two ive had. I was working both times with someone ive just started to work with and in unfamiliar situations.Today i recalled that i had dreamt these things quite a while ago. The belief i am now leaning towards is that i am beggining to move coser to understanding and communicating with my higher conciousness or "God Head" as a certain author calls it. Hope I am correct.

Parmenion

[cainam_nazier]

Athios

quote:As for the brain-stumble thing... is this supposed to be a physical thing? Or a metaphysical thing?

I spectulate that it is a physical problem.  Be it a chemical build up or a miss firing of cells I am not sure.  It is currently virtually impossible to test since the occurrances are impossible to predict and therefore study.


Parmenion

It could be either a closer connection with your higher self or simply remembering the "at the time" precog dreams.

[Athios]

Here's another reason I don't think it's recalling previous at-the-time precognitive dreams. Related to this topic:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3989

That happens quite often with me as well, maybe once a month. And there have been times where I've recalled dreams from more than 3 weeks ago! And the two experiences, delayed dream recall and deja vu, definitely feel very different. []

Being a biochemistry student, I just can't really accept the brain stumble explanation. I've tried thinking of it, but somehow it just doesn't fit. I mean, if such a problem were possible with the brain, certainly there'd be some neurological/psychological dysorder that is related to this, right? But I haven't ever heard of any.

Anyway, I am now somewhat convinced that deja vu is due to reintegration of some sort (it feels right). But the thing is, I can't figure why... [xx(]

[KP]

Today I saw a black bird.  I had been thinking of birds the other week and it is what was pictured in my head, and the exact thing replayed when I saw the bird today.  I was lucky to remember it but I know it was from then.  

Reminded me of watching a movie when suddenly a scene from the trailer comes on which has already been seen.

[SiN]

Just thought I'd contribute my 'experiences' with Deja Vus, even if this topic is old.

I've been remembering Deja Vus since I was little, but didn't really think much of them. When they happened I would either be upset or ecstatic. For the being 'upset', when I was younger (earliest memories are when I was 6 or 7) a lot of the deja vus would happen at certain times and had some strange 'coincidences' with the number 7.

Offtopic, but this number has been like a plague to me...or I treat it like one, anyway. Everything in my life seems to be centred around that number...

Sometimes, though I'm finding this is happening more often, I'll get the same deja vu 3 or 4 times! This is disturbing...but I notice that when I get my deja vus, a lot seem to happen when I need a 'push' or reminder to stop whatever it is I'm doing or to get started and stop being lazy.

I have no idea, though, why I'll get 3 or 4 of the same or why I'll get a deja vu that I remember having a year before! It's shocking, really.

I started getting a lot more after I started doing AP work. During the first two weeks after starting that class (it's a once a week class, btw) I would sometimes get 3 in a day, almost every day. It stopped after awhile, though. I'm somewhat grateful of that.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think they've ever seemed unimportant. Yea, sure, if you get them when you're at school and you're going to be having a test and you realise "Hey, this happened before!" it must suck terribly ~_^.

[Psypunk]

I just got done writing a movie script on this topic (deja vu...loop theory, etc..). I think since it is such a perplexing topic, there is a good chance that it will be made into a movie..basically the main theme of the movie will be "Dreaming is the theater of our soul and waking life the theater of a false reality"

[Mirador]

I've read some literature on it, and most of what goes for 'dejavu' is pure crap. A bonafide dejavu experience is an overpowering sensation and certainty that you've 'been there before' and at the same time you can't place it in time or space. My suggestion, don't dwell on it! there's not much you can do with it.

[Psypunk]

Wow...what a great thought...If something is hard to understand, don't think about it... Someone skipped Philosophy class one to many times.

[bomohwkl]

Athios's observation of Deja Vu is most likely correct. It is no from the dream, then what the hell is that. Unfortunately, little scientific research is done on the human consciousness and astral body. What I can say it is the fragment of your preview of your life before you decided to reincarnate for this life. The erase of what you see isn't 100.00% completed.Thus, you some sort feel that you have experienced that before.
Here is an extract from Thiaoouba Prophency

.......after accepting to live that life, all details of it were erased from his memory. He passed through what certain Nagas have called 'The River of Oblivion' - this happens whether one accepts or rejects a possible reincarnation. Of course, there is a reason for it.

'If, for example, you remembered that, around forty years of age, you would lose your wife and two cherished children in a car accident and that you, yourself, would be confined to a wheelchair, the knowledge could tempt you to take your life rather than face up to your troubles, or it might lead you to behave badly in other spheres. So, the 'film' is erased, in something like the way you 'wipe out' a tape recording.

'Occasionally, by accident, the machine does not erase everything and you can hear brief portions of what should have been erased. Of course, my analogies are fanciful when I speak of 'films' and 'tape recordings' but I hope they give you an idea of what I am trying to explain. In reality, the process involves electro-photonics, which mean nothing, yet, to people on Earth. This, in fact, occurs often in the 'films' that the Higher Self shows to an Astral body, which is why most people say, on several occasions in the course of their lives 'I have seen that before' or 'I have heard that before' and they know what the very next action or word will be. In English, people call this feeling 'deja vu'.'

[goingslow]

Mirador is obviously in charge of time management. Every post pretty much is him telling you whats a waste of time.  Apparently you lose time from eating and watching TV if you think of certain subjects too much.  

I find it pretty funny when he says "you're wasting time commentng shut up and listen" some people dont know how to take their own advice.

[Athios]

I was wondering about KP's response. Did you actually get that deja vu feeling when that happened?

More importantly, since you do remember where and when it happened before, does that then actually count as a deja vu experience? What I'm getting at is, perhap there has been stuff happening (and maybe we've even heard about them), that could clearly explain and demonstrate what's going on during a deja vu. But maybe it's just that we don't recognize these events as being a deja vu experience?  []

SiN
I'm not sure I can understand having 3-4 times of the same deja vu... Cos that would mean that you're actually the exact same thing 3-4 times?? Are you sure you're not just remembering something like it that happened before? What exactly were you doing for/during those repeating deja vus?

Psypunk
[:O] If there were a movie like that, I'd definitely go watch it, hehehe...

Mirador
How do you know there's not much we do with it if we don't even know for sure what it is?  [}:)]

bomohwkl
Sheesh, is there anything that book doesn't talk about. Sigh, I've yet to read it. My friend finished it in two days, I on the other hand have a much shorter attention span.  [|)]
Plus, I seem to get a mysterious headache whenever I feel like reading it, hehehe...