Whats it like from a lucid dream to an OBE?

[Gummage]

I talked with some guy online today in a spiritual room who told me he frequently used to use the path of a lucid dream to enter into the astral realms. I thought for a while before I really knew about AP that they were infact lucid dreams but many accounts I have come across seem to state for the most part that clarity and consciousness is significantly higher when you are in an OBE/AP rather than a LD.

What are you experiences with the transaction from a LD to an OBE? does your clarity and consciousness suddenly go off the meter? I am wanting to see how it changed once your in the astral or RTZ from a LD.

I am looking at this angle now to OBE as I have not tried this yet.

[spatialreason]

I've been a lucid dreamer for most of my life. Originally I found the idea of moving from LD to OBE quite attractive. Later in my life, I started having true OBE experiences, which is the physical experience of separating from your body, rather than just becoming randomly lucid. I am very very tempted to say that to go from LD to a true OBE would be very very difficult to initiate consciously, unless someone can really explain to me how in the heck that could possibly work... I have no reference for this potential so I am unsure.

What I do know, is that during an LD there are varying levels of awareness. I always refer to lucidity as a position on a spectrum, as you practise your awareness during an LD (no longer behaving automatically/conditioned/hypnotised) you can infact increase your astral experience, and experience much more realistic dreamscapes. So, I believe that it is possible, once you start working on having actual OBEs, that your lucid dreams will naturally focus on the more realistic OBE-like experiences, and I have also noticed that the LDs that I now have are very OBE-like (using the physical spirit-body) and being projected automatically to places very important to my development as a child... but I definitely didn't do this on purpose, it just seemed to happen. Sorry if that was no help.... uhhh!! But don't give up on this idea, as it seems very possible!! I am just unsure how to do it consciously.

EDIT:

The more I think about this, the more possible it seems to actually induce. Here is my reasoning....

An OBE is the physical experience of being mind awake body awake, to mind awake body asleep, and physically experiencing the separation from your body. If you are in an LD, you have already avoided this possibility by falling asleep, the fact that you are dreaming indicates this. So to OBE from an LD, technically, you would have to slighly waken yourself up (hopefully not to quickly or too much) and try and catch yourself waking up, so that you can get into a vibrational state. Once in the vibrational state, you can induce the OBE. I have noticed often that when I wake up from an OBE/LD, I am instantly in a vibrational state, so this sounds very possible, you just need to wake up as gently as you can, as to not excite yourself too much and destroy any potential for vibrations you might get when you are awake. When you wake yourself up from the LD, remember to meditate strongly.... then I can see this working for you.

[Astral316]

I've done this several times though they were all pretty much a fluke. Anyway, it feels like a light switches on in your mind... your awareness comes to life. At that point you can remain in the environment... dream characters and themes may disappear leaving you with bare etheric surroundings, as I've had happen in the past. Or... a lot of people end up in the void and project from there.

[spatialreason]

It's very interesting to me that you mention being surrounded in bare etheric surroundings, as I have had that happen before when trying to increase my awareness in an LD. So I think you're definitely on to something here.... I also edited my last post with another suggestion that I was thinking about which may help you as well....

[CFTraveler]

I've done this (LD to OBE) a few times- to go from a LD to an RTZ OBE become conscious of 'being in body' and wait to feel yourself in bed (or wherever you are) then keep your eyes closed, and soon you will get separation symptoms.  Then do an exit technique and the separation will be easy.  However, the OBE most probably won't be long.
To go from a Lucid Dream to a projection to the astral, simply start flying up, and you will feel a shift, and you will find yourself more than likely in a collective area.

[Gummage]

To go from a Lucid Dream to a projection to the astral, simply start flying up, and you will feel a shift, and you will find yourself more than likely in a collective area.

What you mean a collective area? will you be more conscious than normal?

[spatialreason]

When you go higher in the LD realm (whether it's flying or walking up a set of stairs), you usually do get more aware, and the experience can quickly change in profound ways. Also, looking in a mirror can definitely trigger highered conscious awareness of the experience. Sometimes the dream will seem to melt away, and you will find yourself in a space where you can actually see and hear (and sence) a lot better. If you naturally project to a more hypnotized (or confused/cloudy) sort of LD, the mirror will definitely come in handy. It will (for beginners mostly) have a profound affect on the "frequency" you're adjusted to. You might (This is sort of an assumption based on my beginning experiences, but I'm full of those) actually adjust your natural frequency to a more aware state by practising this, eventually when you start projecting higher naturally, the assistance of a mirror will become less effective as you can only get so aware it seems. Just the fact that you begin looking for a mirror, one will usually manifest around you somewhere in the room, you just have to look. Also, if you're really interested in some fun, try looking in the mirror and changing your appearance... that is fun! I guess this is a bit off topic, as using the mirror is only a way to increase awareness, not really induce a true OBE as far as I have understood.

[CFTraveler]

What you mean a collective area? will you be more conscious than normal?

Consciousness has to be a given- all dreaming, lucid or nonlucid are astral projections- when you dream you are in a personal area that your subconscious created to work out your issues, but when you go into the collective astral, you are going into an area that is formed by the collective consciousness (aka everyone else, including you) which is where you find what are known astral landscapes and meet other projectors and entities.  
So you can be in a 'normal' dream, where the scapes and entities are created by you (your subconscious, etc.), become lucid and know you are dreaming, and  then wake up, or leave the private area, or wake into your body and move out into the Real Time Zone (aka etheric).

[CFTraveler]

And yes, a 'lucid dream' is different to an 'astral projection' in many ways- most LDs are short lived because the mind is already on it's way to waking up, and they usually start out in the 'regular dreaming space', but can be converted into a 'proper' AP by the ways described.
Just want to stay out of the LD=/= AP controversy.
And, as usual, I use the terms 'scape', 'area', 'plane' as descriptive terms, and not as absolute terms.

[c0sm0nautt]

When you become lucid in a dream simply bring your focus to the feeling of your body, and this will take your consciousness to yourself laying in bed - be sure to stay still and "roll out" or whatever suits you. On a side note, why do you want to leave a LD?

[Jilt]

I've been having LDs and OOBEs for years and my experience is that both are pretty much the same so I don't think there's a difference other than the feeling of lifting out of your body. That said, for some reason lately I've been becoming lucid in regular dreams lately and then having an OBE in the dream which heightens my lucidity so that's a new experience (in contrast to having a wake induced lucid dream/OOBE).

I believe we build neural pathways so that as we have more LDs/OOBEs we automatically start to experience them without much effort -- I have them nearly every other night now. The distinction between the two isn't important, the key is focusing on staying conscious while being deeply relaxed and experimenting with new techniques to find which is the most satisfying.

[AstralBeginnings]

An OBE is the physical experience of being mind awake body awake, to mind awake body asleep, and physically experiencing the separation from your body.

Hi Spatialreason, I know the reasons for you saying this is a "physical" experience, because it FEELS physical, however I really honestly think there is nothing physical going on when you "separate".  Logically, it cannot be physical because you are LEAVING the physical by means of a non-physical phenomenon.  Projection of consciousness by definition is non-physical.

If you are in an LD, you have already avoided this possibility by falling asleep, the fact that you are dreaming indicates this. So to OBE from an LD, technically, you would have to slighly waken yourself up (hopefully not to quickly or too much) and try and catch yourself waking up

Exactly right.  This technique has worked 100% of the time for me.  When in an LD I know I am in a "dream" (although I dont like that term), therefore I can choose when to wake up (if I dont wake up automatically) which means I transition from the non-physical to the physical without losing consciousness which means I know I am waking up.  With this in mind, I can choose when already asleep not to move when I awake. 

[Elconscious]

Thus far, at least once a year I experience a LD and when I read about projecting to the "Astral proper" via LD's, I became very interested to try this out.

Last week I experienced a LD and remembered what I had to do next to follow up with another astral projection. I focused my "visual" attention onto a spot of a single object, while attempting to stay as relaxed as possible. I was very excited to this new experience and wondered if it would not disturb the process too much.

Mere moments later I noticed how the scenery turned black, but more so of a visual "white noise". It occured all over and quickly narrowed down until the spot I had my visual attention also seemed to have disappeared. Then, I noticed a vage, white mist appear from the right of me and seemingly in the distance. It seemed to approach me with accelerating speed and barely passed me by from the right side of my vision.

Another appeared somewhere in my field of vision and acted in the same manner. I started to create the idea that I was somewhere in space and was traveling at very high speeds, passing by several clusters. As more and more appeared I chose to accelarate speed and this seemed to have had some effect in acceleration.

Than, while going through this experience I noticed what I have always noticed during the first phases of astral projection. I started to hear loud sounds (also described as white noise). I remember thinking: "This is weird, I have already gone though a conscious shift from body to astral"

Suddenly I was looking at my bedsheets from a very close range. I felt like floating upwards and slightly to the right, when a face of the person in bed came into view.

What follows is the expierence of a perhaps "double AP attempt" as I was not satisfied and convinced of having a "true" LD to AP experience.

Peace

[merkaba1111]

Great Question!! I have tried a few methods out:

1) I tried meditating during a lucid dream, it was pretty intense and quickly lost control.
2) I flew straight up into space, this lasted a little longer and I was able to fly around but quickly lost control.
3) This one I read in one of the AP books (maybe from thomas campbell) was to spin in a circle while LD, this was the most intense of all and hardest to control.

I would recommend practicing any-one of these methods over and over until success. Look forward to reading other's experiences with this as this seems to be the easiest way to get out. Good Luck.

[amyl1427]

What i do is.....as soon as i realize I'm dreaming....i cross my arms...and fall back to the floor....i never hit tho....i just start flipping backwords....and then....i pop back up in my body....but...i have a little vibration going...and i either go back to the dream....depending on what it was.....or i try to get out and walk around a bit.........when i do go back to a lucid dream...its funny....everyone is just kinda looking at me....not doing what they were doing before i realized i was dreaming......and i can do whatever i want...in that area.....if i try to change something...i wake up......or...if i try to leave the area....i wake up......so....i try and find something to do in that dream area.......and its still pretty fun...