Paranormal Investigator needs help with a Malevolent Entity

[Steel Hawk]

I've been studying and practicing the occult for a very long time. If there's a book on psychic defense or demonology I have it. Yet even with all I know and did it seems I've only angered this spirit. I was pretty sure of myself up until now. So here's the story...

A few weeks ago my group was contacted to help a family that was experiencing a negative haunting. We get there, it's a younger woman, her kids and her mother. They were so terrified they left the house with a few bags and ran to the nearest hotel. After looking around the house and talking to them I'm positive that they're completely sane and are the typical american cookie cutter family. Multiple people in the house are experiencing the same thing, nobody is on illegal or prescription drugs. Nobody has had paranormal activity before they moved into this house.

They report that between 11pm to 4am is when things happen. They've been touched, scratched, grabbed, had the bed shake repeatedly, heard voices, and a loud growling sound. They said it happens every night without fail. They reported that an abandoned house across from theirs was used in satanic rituals, still had baphomets pentagram on the floor. In our groups opinion it seemed possible that it could be a demon or just a really nasty spirit. It seemed like the night would be an exciting one.

We setup our equipment and wait for something to happen, but nothing does. We try communicating with it, we put down cameras, voice recorders and various other devices. Several hours later at around 3am nothing has happened. Our groups sensitive / medium feels that whatever it is that it's staying out of the house and only coming in to check us out and leave again. I was hoping it would show up so I could energetically attack, banish, or absorb it. But it never did. Since it didn't show up we decided to cleanse and seal the house. We put up psychic barriers, used sea salt at various thresholds, holy water through each room and window, burned and applied various herbs and herbal tinctures.

It took me about an hour and when I left I knew I threw everything I had at making that house Fort Knox. The place had more wards and barriers than my own. Doing half of what I did that night has protected me from everything I've ran into. But I can't say for certain I've ran into a true demon before and I can't say there was one there or not as nothing happened. We left with the confidence that whatever it was it won't be coming back. And we all thought whatever it was it was very intelligent and frustrating on purpose.

And that's the story...

Today I call our client and I'm told they've moved permanently out of the house. After they get their things they are going to sell it. After we left she said things got worse, doors started slamming, they started hearing multiple voices, the bed shaking harder than before, and the last straw was they heard a demonic sounding voice say "LEAVE NOW OR YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO".

So this kinda pisses me off. What the heck am I doing if I can't help people? I've fought what I considered to be demons both in the body and out. But maybe not if after all I did there was zero effect. Maybe if it showed up things would have went differently. Maybe it would have ate me who knows.

Any advice? I'll be going back in a few weeks for round 2. I haven't tried a full Catholic Priest + exorcism, but I always believed that was no different than the power of belief and will. The same thing that I used basically.

Unless someone can suggest something better the only ideas I have left are:

1. Break out the Abramelin Magick which deals with summoning the Princes of Hell.... get the thing summoned and eat it.
2. Break out the Buddhism. Sit in the middle of the house, get meditative, envelope the entire block in radiant love.... although I'm not sure on this as the last time I did this a succubus attached to me. Free lunch maybe?
3. Contact the Catholic Church and should it work give up occultism in lieu of catholicism.

Thanks...

[CFTraveler]

Since you've been around for a while and are know all about passive and active  PSD countermeasures, I would recommend Manifesting a Pillar of Light in the vicinity of the area and expect them to be attracted to it and thus cross over.  This is of course, provided that it is a human spirit.  If it's a demon then I would stay away from it, and here's why:
Here's the list you already know but I feel obliged to mention:
If it's a "true" demon with a capital D, there's not a whole lot we can do, these things are way too powerful.  It's time to call the priest.
If it's not a 'Demon' demon, annnnddddd if it does manifest in a way that you can see or feel, then ask to speak to it's angelic manifestation.... unless it's not there for you, and I have the impression that it's not, given what you wrote about it.
If it's a 'lost 'uncrossed' spirit that has forgotten it's humanity, try the pillar of light technique if it s some sort of construct gone rogue, good luck to you, I'd have no idea what to do.
Good luck, and may you be able to deal with this.

[Selea]

1. Break out the Abramelin Magick which deals with summoning the Princes of Hell.... get the thing summoned and eat it.

Abramelin magick doesn't deal with demons until after a very special point that's the focus of all the book.

And on the contrary if instead of dabbling with the third part you would have done the procedure on the second, maybe you will not have all these problems.

2. Break out the Buddhism. Sit in the middle of the house, get meditative, envelope the entire block in radiant love.... although I'm not sure on this as the last time I did this a succubus attached to me. Free lunch maybe?

What has buddhism anything to do about it?

And if it's *really* a demon what those things accomplish? You seem to be a little confused on how things really works.

3. Contact the Catholic Church and should it work give up occultism in lieu of catholicism.

It depends if it's *really* a demon of not. I highly doubt it, in fact, and so the church will ever go well. If it is *really* a demon, however, a catholic priest will not be able to do anything about it. A real demon exorcism depends on having a *real* contact with the divinity (again, if you had used Abramelin properly you would know this already) and using the same to both evoke and order the demon. A thing in the church nowadays nobody has, in little words.

If you want to try you will have first of all to know the name of the "spirit" you are trying to send away. Without it you can do nothing. If you have *real* mediums it should be easy for them to know it, isn't it? (sarcams naturally, I bet how much you want your "mediums" willl not either know where to start from). When you have the name construct a sigil with the name using a Kamea (depending on the nature of the "spirit", that you can understand from the name and/or the type of force, again, a *real* medium should get it)

- Try to estabilish at last a minimal contact with your divinity prior to beginning, via some invocation, as the Bornless One (naturally this depends on you knowing at last a little on how to do it).
- Use the Goetia formulas to evoke the demon.
- Tell him to go away and if he refuses force it via burning his sigil, hoping you will have enough influence/power to do so (naturally the more "higher" the rank of the demon the more difficult it is; if the demon is Amaymon (joking naturally, it cannot be), for example, forget it and neither try to because if you fail... well, it's better you don't know).

For an example on the procedure you can read "My life with the spirits" of DuQuette, where a similar exorcism (of Garkon) is portraied.

I told you the procedure because it's much unlikely it's a *real* demon, but just in case, forget about it.

[Lionheart]

 It sounds like the spirit is following someone in the family. When they left, it left and when they went back into the home it followed. I would look at possibly working with the daughter, preferably the youngest. I have had dealings in the past with other let's say personal poltergeists. My local college has a Paranormal Group, they come to me once in awhile for advice. They also want me to be a guest speaker at their seminars, but I don't like to flaunt the gift. I have had dealings with Demons in the past, some of them are quite smart. They could sense your intent and strengths and hauled butt out of the home before you could start. But, I know that to get back into the home, they must be invited. Otherwise all your banishings would work. I think there is more than meets the eye here. Try to find out some more info on the family, if the Demon is following one of them, no matter where they go, it will be there.
Good Luck!

[Selea]

It sounds like the spirit is following someone in the family. When they left, it left and when they went back into the home it followed. I would look at possibly working with the daughter, preferably the youngest.

Let's see if we can put a little of order in this chaos.

A "demon" (as usually understood) it's always tied to an individual. It cannot exist a demon tied to a place. "Spirits" tied to a place are always "shells" (that can be both from a deceased or an actual living person leaving it around, or either a formal demon that's not more such now) linked to it from external means (as an object or the house itself etc.)

Now, however, *true* demons, while still tied always to an individual, are much stronger forces than you usually experience in poltergeists or similar. While with the word "demon" people usually describe all of these phenomena, they very seldom (if never) have to do really with them. They are usually just the same "shells" only with a little more force because still tied to the individual feeding them.

The procedure is usually the same in both cases, but with a *real* demon (as it can be a demon of the Goetia, etc.) the banishing it's NOT possible, nor the removing of it. With the proper force you can have it cooperate with the individual or, if nothing better, move it in a "place" that causes less harm. It's like moving a container from the middle of the room (where it ostacolates the users) to the box room, for example.

But, I know that to get back into the home, they must be invited.

They are already a part of the individual (albeit at the same time also "outside" of it) so they don't need any invite at all. If you evoke the force (one way or another) it will be there until you deal with it one way or another. Sometimes the "evoking" (that's not a proper evocation but more as a temporary "link" in this case) it's just a momentary thing or tied to a specific event/place/status and in this case removing that factor removes the "evoking" altogheter (also if in some cases it can represent itself at a later time, also if in other forms).

Otherwise all your banishings would work.

A word about banishings. The "banishing" if intended for an external practice works only in the case of "shells". If the "banishing" it's intended as an internal practice it is more a focus of intent, so serving the operator only. A practice as that to serve as a proper "banish" for a "shell" should be done by the individual interested.

In case of a demon a banishing to be properly done require a connection with the divine. Until then, while you can surely obtain benefits from it, it serves little to this scope (especially if the demon is powerful). Naturally the "banish" it's a way to obtain this link by and by and for this you obtain benefits in this sense. However it is a long process, it's not a "fire and forget" thing.

[Steel Hawk]

CFTraveler thank you as always you bring new insight into things. The manifesting light idea is a good one, as you said assuming it's a human spirit. I might give that a go. I have no idea what the PSD techniques you spoke about were though.

Abramelin magick doesn't deal with demons until after a very special point that's the focus of all the book.

And on the contrary if instead of dabbling with the third part you would have done the procedure on the second, maybe you will not have all these problems.

I realize this and I have done the procedure in the second part as far as trying to contact the HGA. I've received bits of information and symbols to decode, maybe after I've done this I'll get a true conversation experience.

What has buddhism anything to do about it?

It was a figure of speech. My interactions with negative beings on the etheric and astral planes have lead me to accept that love can actually be a potent weapon.

And if it's *really* a demon what those things accomplish? You seem to be a little confused on how things really works.

You might be right. I did forget about the idea that a priest or a magician must be in tune with divinity in order to do what I'm wanting. Thanks for the reminder even though I found the majority of your reply a bit egotistical and rude, at least you're intelligent and have some good suggestions. Thank you.

[Selea]

I realize this and I have done the procedure in the second part as far as trying to contact the HGA. I've received bits of information and symbols to decode, maybe after I've done this I'll get a true conversation experience.

Middle approaches in this don't work (as in everything else, in reality, but here more than in anything else). Or you do it with all your Will and heart, enduring till the end and having success (gathering the momentum, without lapses), or you don't do it at all.

Anything else it is much worser than nothing at all.

Thanks for the reminder even though I found the majority of your reply a bit egotistical and rude

You always sound such when you say things the other doesn't want to hear, no matter what, so better be direct and be done with it. If you have to remove a tooth, uncertainity willl only cause more pain, in the end.

[CFTraveler]

CFTraveler thank you as always you bring new insight into things. The manifesting light idea is a good one, as you said assuming it's a human spirit. I might give that a go. I have no idea what the PSD techniques you spoke about were though.

There's all kinds for all kinds of things, however I think you're on the right track with what Selea and you are discussing, so my info isn't really necessary.

[majour ka]

Im a Medium and all i can say have you ever considered that it may be helpful kind caring spirit trying its hardest to get the family out because of a pending fire hazard, gas leak, one of the children maybe very sensitive and could be getting bullied at school which could have devastating implications.. or some other problem, just an idea...its the only thing that makes sense to me...

In my experiences and other stories I have heard from some of the worlds leading mediums is that all the scary phenomena turns out to be some one simply trying avert a disaster.

Maybe if a good medium had visited while the family where there, they could have made a contact... and asked what it was all about, after all the spirit world would be drawn by love for some one.  They wont have any interest in the materiel..ie the house.

Hope that helps.

[United4ever]

what about islamic magic , or u could envoke a king djin ask for it to eat up and cupture the demon,