mental rundown question

[marwanin]

hello,

when visualising scences in mental rundown, I have to become in the event, not only a watcher, so the question how can I shift my awareness and become in the reality scenece, not only watchiing it like a movie.

[Chris J.]

If you're asking how to actually move into the scene while visualizing it, it isn't a conscious, willful effort. All you simply do is focus on the rundown completely, and you will eventually shift into it.

If you're actually viewing the scene, but not participating in it actively, remember that you are creating the scene, so you have full control over it. Since you are in full control of it, if you are far enough along in the process of phasing, you should be able to will yourself into the scene.

[BlueHalcyon]

You need to engage your senses as much as possible. Also, try not to make it too complicated. Preferably make it a familiar scene so you can properly immerse yourself into it, and all that jazz.
Im not exactly an expert 

You should check out Frank's posts if you havent already, and also Ryan's.
Very useful 

[Xanth]

Also, realize that you might not shift into the EXACT scene you're visualizing.  It can be a bit disorienting, but you might end up somewhere else completely different.
As long as you build your momentum away from the physical don't let your focus drift back.  Keep your momentum going by focusing more and more into whatever you're doing and away from the physical and you'll shift.

As Chris said, shifting isn't something you do... it's something you ALLOW to happen.

[Contenteo]

If you fall back into your physical senses, ya know a truck goes by or something, just intend to slip right back into state and you will. Reality is pretty much just a bunch of waves, and this process is no exception.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[light487]

There's two ways I do the "mental rundown".

1. See yourself from 3rd person, like in a dream. This method is useful if you want to visualise yourself doing things.

2. Focus on an object or objects within the scene from 1st person. Allow the scene to build around those objects but remain focused on those objects. You could imagine a scene with a small river running merrily through nothingness, then allow the scene to naturally build around it, filling in the details but all the while concentrating on the river.

[Astral316]

You need to engage your senses as much as possible.

I agree... visualizing is important, but the best of the best at this can juggle visual, sensual (both touch and muscle/motor function), audio, and even smell/taste. The more you invest focus into creating the "full experience" in your mind the more you're investing away from the physical. For example... when I visualize a beach I get modest results. When I visualize it, and feel myself jogging across the beach with the sand under my toes and the salty wind in my face, seagulls squawking around me... I get high activity in my energy body.

[marwanin]

I agree... visualizing is important, but the best of the best at this can juggle visual, sensual (both touch and muscle/motor function), audio, and even smell/taste. The more you invest focus into creating the "full experience" in your mind the more you're investing away from the physical. For example... when I visualize a beach I get modest results. When I visualize it, and feel myself jogging across the beach with the sand under my toes and the salty wind in my face, seagulls squawking around me... I get high activity in my energy body.

I did the same as visualising the beach and feeling these sensations but nothing happes,
do I need the imagine the same short scene over and over ( imagining the beach ), or going on ( maybe swiming, going back to home ... )

and how much time it takes to shift into dream for you?

[Xanth]

I did the same as visualising the beach and feeling these sensations but nothing happes,
do I need the imagine the same short scene over and over ( imagining the beach ), or going on ( maybe swiming, going back to home ... )

and how much time it takes to shift into dream for you?

Nothing happens because you're probably not putting all your focus into it.  If you're drifting casually between the "visualization" and the "physical", even if you don't realize you're doing it... you're not gonna shift.  You need to put yourself fully into the scene and completely ignore any sensations you're receiving from "here".

[marwanin]

If you're drifting casually between the "visualization" and the "physical"

True ryan, i'm drifting !
I feel like i'm visualising these scenes inside my head, is it ok?
and which point of view more efficient, 1st or 3rd .?

thanks man for feedbacks

[marwanin]

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[Stookie_]

The most effective way to do a rundown is when your imagining it, you want to be there as close as possible. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, you want to feel the environment, hear it, interact with it as you would in real life. You want to fool your awareness into actually being there. Short, repetitive activities that don't require too much thinking are probably the best. You don't want it to be too detailed and complicated, yet interesting enough to hold your attention. Don't think things like "am I doing it right?" or "is my body asleep?", just stay focused in the visualization for as long as you can.

[i smoke and drink coffee]

I don't know what a mental rundown is, sounds like having a fantasy to me.
I don't fantasy anymore, I can't.  I have too much 'typing on the computer about fantasy' in my brain chakra.  I've shifted from being able to effectively create a full phantasy realm to dissolving and dispursing it into the mageddon/computer information grid.  Something that wasn't supposed to happen, not at all.  Part of the shadow base phantasy was 'avoid the internet, it leads to the technoversal tyrant'.  Here I am, twelve years later, yielding up my whole soul to this thing and all these people.

I do remember being a child and being able to fantasy WHILE being active in the physical.  Multitasking right.  I developed special skills for handling multiple variables, multiple thought trains, always with compounding memory.  You can do it too.  As a brief note on 'multiple thought trains', try to visualize two 'screens', one on your left, and one on your right.  In that screen space, have two different colors.  Then, make a plan, commit it to memory, and have a color plan to switch on the two spaces.  I didn't use the color plan, I had myself as a black haired good looking kid on one side playing with a football, and the other with a baseball.  And other things as well, no need to get into it.

Basically it's like the man says, just keep visualizing it and build your momentum to 'escape velocity'.  Then again, it depends exactly WHERE you are doing the visualization.  If you are projecting it in any way, you will be materializing the existence in external space.  An exercise to perform to gauge where your vision center is, is the Star Point.

STAR POINT EXERCISE
point form
- banish as you close your eyes
- visualize a single white particle of light
- notice the distance that star point is from the center of your brain
- there are three main distances 1.far external 2.close external 3. internal
- if the star is not dead center, banish it, and try again, going for exact center of your brain, in this instance, you banish it by opening your eyes, and then clear the space with another banishing as you close the eyes to reprep
- when the star point is directly in the center of the brain 'something' will happen
- you may then expand, magnify, intensify, and amplify the star, all at the same time, preferrable with a slow, soft, very gradual increase

Once you've mastered Star Point, well, it's hard to say, I haven't done it for a loooong time.  I forget.  But I know the exercise, and some of what it does.  You'll have to try it and see.

Basically, once you've got your third eye centered and expanded to whatever dimension, you own your reality.  You can potentially even visualize physical energies into existence.  The Star Point is to be considered 'pure', not holy, not divine, but pure, raw mind.  You can also do a variation of the Star Point on your other chakra, perhaps with a sensory or emotion.

[Xanth]

I don't know what a mental rundown is, sounds like having a fantasy to me.

That's exactly what it is.
It's having a "fantasy" then entering that fantasy consciously and fully experiencing it as if you were there physically.

From there, you can use your Intent to do whatever you want.

[Stookie_]

I hesitate to associate a mental rundown with fantasy or daydream. Those don't really use focus or concentration which are needed to hone awareness for AP. If you're playing around to whims that pass through your head, you're just daydreaming. Stay focused on the exercise, and when you go off course, bring yourself right back to the rundown.