Are OBE's really just dreams? Why did this happen?

[ArmyOfOne1911]

I just recently woke up from a nap and had an OBE. I rushed upstairs to go see my grandma and she was wearing a black hoodie and grey sweats feeding the dogs it appeared. Or just walking in the kitchen. Either way I kept trying to get her attention. I got nothing... Until about a minute later she said OMG Cody I see you! Barely though! She gave me a hug. I could even feel it. I rushed back to my body to go upstairs to talk to her and she didn't see me... nothing... So it's almost like I made all that up? My god it's confusing. :/ Who did I hug that resembled my grandma? She was wearing the same clothes when I got back up stairs though! Black hoodie, grey sweats... but she never saw me nothing. It's almost like at the end it turned into a dream.... What happened?

[proyect_outzone]

So it's almost like I made all that up? My god it's confusing. :/ Who did I hug that resembled my grandma? She was wearing the same clothes when I got back up stairs though! Black hoodie, grey sweats... but she never saw me nothing. It's almost like at the end it turned into a dream.... What happened?

This accords to the rules of the astral world. Not everything in the astral world must be like it looks. The astral "grandma" could have been partly or completly created by your thoughts, or your astral "grandma" could also have been an other astral beeing.

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Thanks for the reply! Do you think I should slow down and think things out more for them to be accurate? It seems like I end up in some places I have no clue where... I keep telling myself to just stay out for ten seconds or so at first until I get used to it... and I end up taking flight lol. It's too exciting. xD

[proyect_outzone]

It can be better, if you think about what you do, before you start the OBE. So you know then, what oyu want to do. But it is your decision. It can also be intersting if you dont think about before and do just, what seems to be interesting in the actual situations and enviroments.(Like i do,... if i see a car, i drive it,.... if i see something cooler, i go to it  )

[dreamingod]

Before I experienced my first spontaneous AWAKE OOBE, with dual consciousness in two bodies,
both physical and astral, then an expanded state of consciousness transcending any form and definition,
I readily disimissed my dreams as products of my imagination.

This OOBE was different to my lucid dreams in that the 'frame of reference' before the 'out of body state'
continued from exactly what and where I was doing/being in physical reality.
There was no questioning of how real the experience was for me.

OOBE is the same as 'lucid dreaming' because I usually retain a relatively high level of awareness and
control compared to the state that I am in during waking physical reality.
You experience all or most of your senses (depending on the body vehicle expression),
but you can transcend physical laws and perform what we perceive as 'magical' feats
such as flying, teleportation, morphing, experiencing other realities, dimensions and parallel universes (whatever metaphor you want to use).

After several phasing experiences, I realised that physical reality is like 'lucid dreaming' because you can readily
experience another illusory (virtual) reality by allowing your attention to shift away from physical reality,
temporarily disengaging your senses to allow for other possibilities.
All realities have no real solidity, and therefore must be illusory perspectives.
We exist as consciousness-energy beings, exploring self in a continuum of consciousness.

In physical reality:
When I was a child I saw a huge pink castle above the fluffy white clouds. I could zoom in and observe the fine detail
of the brick work, and both the red and white flags flapping in the wind. I exclaimed to my dad to look, but he ignored me.
A few months ago, I accidently changed a $10 note to a $5 note. I told myself repeatedly that I expect $5 change.
I looked away and when I looked back I saw myself handing $5 note to the cashier and so got no change; confusing.
At night, during and after meditation, I can project and experience an external colourful light show which touches my body like soft wind.


In conclusion, I believe that all reality, dreams, OOBE and phasing are products of our thoughts, desires and expectations.
When you shift your focus and have strong desires, you can experience other possibilities.


Some people are more aware than others.



Relevant posts:

Was it Sleep Paralysis? or dream?
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/was_it_sleep_paralysis_or_dream-t36164.0.html;msg298611#msg298611

Reincarnation - an unconventional viewpoint
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_spiritual_evolution/reincarnation_an_unconventional_viewpoint-t35892.0.html;msg298639#msg298639

[Rudolph]

I just recently woke up from a nap and had an OBE. I rushed upstairs to go see my grandma and she was wearing a black hoodie and grey sweats feeding the dogs it appeared. Or just walking in the kitchen. Either way I kept trying to get her attention. I got nothing... Until about a minute later she said OMG Cody I see you! Barely though! She gave me a hug. I could even feel it. I rushed back to my body to go upstairs to talk to her and she didn't see me... nothing... So it's almost like I made all that up? My god it's confusing. :/ Who did I hug that resembled my grandma? She was wearing the same clothes when I got back up stairs though! Black hoodie, grey sweats... but she never saw me nothing. It's almost like at the end it turned into a dream.... What happened?

Well done, Army.

This is an indication that you can rapidly advance to "expert" level in this AP/OBE business, imho.

Your grandma is also to be commended for managing that level of encounter.

Your interaction was on a more subtle level than she could process for the day-to-day, pure physical world, conscious mind. So she does not recall the astral portion but trust me on this one... she did better than most. So did you

[Mr.PumperNickle]

Sorry ArmyOfOne191 but I wish not to "steal your thread" but I have a question Dreamingod. You believe that all realities are products of our thoughts, even the lowest "physical" reality that stands before us, if so you know that your viewpoint on the universe is harshly criticised by materialist philosophers such as Madalyn O'Hair. She quote on quote stated that "Materialsm's philosophy holds that nothing exists but natural phenomena-that there are no supernatural forces, no supernatural entities such as gods or heaven or heaven or anything else. There are no supernatural forces nor there can be. Nature simply exists-matter is, material is. There are those who would deny this-really this is an important point. There are those who deny nature exists.(I mean) Really(!), they deny that nature or material exists and they assert that only the mind(our thoughts) exists, [the mind or idea or spirit or whatever they want to call it] and they claim that this is primary or first." {She said you are incorrect.}

[Mr.PumperNickle]

What is your response?

[dreamingod]

What is your response?

I will direct you to this thread where this idea of: subjective reality and objectivity reality is discussed.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/how_to_make_enemy_online-t36240.0.html;msg299173#msg299173

[dreamingod]

You believe that all realities are products of our thoughts, even the lowest "physical" reality that stands before us, if so you know that your viewpoint on the universe is harshly criticised by materialist philosophers such as Madalyn O'Hair. She quote on quote stated that "Materialsm's philosophy holds that nothing exists but natural phenomena-that there are no supernatural forces, no supernatural entities such as gods or heaven or heaven or anything else. There are no supernatural forces nor there can be. Nature simply exists-matter is, material is. {She said you are incorrect.}

I don't know who Madalyn O'Hair is, whether she has experienced OOBEs or phasing, so her perspective is irrelevant to me.

However I can only share my experiences which gives rise to my current belief systems, this may change when new experiences and discoveries are made, then my truth will evolve to allow for greater potential.
http://www.in5d.com/forum/index.php?topic=2565.0

Since we are members of the 'Astral Pulse' Forum, I would like put forward the opinions from two great astral/wider reality explorers:
Souls in the afterlife (metaphor for after physical reality) are generally grouped to experience realities as per their belief systems:
Robert Monroe - Belief Territories
Bruce Moen: Hollow Heavens & Hollow Hells
They are both in agreement where the soul does not have such rigid 'religious belief' systems in hell/demon and heaven/God/Jesus,
the soul tends to gravitate to experience a more flexible & interesting paradigm/reality.

Now according to discoveries in Quantum Physics, there is no real solidity at the quantum level. The 'Observer' determines the outcome.
Reality is composed of energy fields of information; everything is entangled. So all is one.
The question is, without the observer, does reality exists?
There are (energy wave) potentials, but does not become actualised until the observer makes a measurement and chooses the outcome, then particle behaviour is observed.
Since we are perceiving reality, we must be the intelligence & energy.
This gives rise to the idea that consciousness is everything, both the creator and creations of perceived material things.

Following this rational, perhaps all reality is grouped by belief systems & certain rule sets.
Our experiences during OOBE, phasing and lucid dreaming certainly demonstrate that with our thoughts, desires & imagination
we can manifest material and experience other realities (some people have greater control over the process than others).
At this point I would like to introduce the idea of our 'higher self' -the more aware and knowing aspect of each of us that exists beyond
Earth space & time. So we may not be aware of our higher self, but this awareness also directs the show.

Are we so conditioned to think in terms of separate places, separate things, separate people, that we naturally
apply this perceptual filter in out interpretation of physical reality.
Conversely we readily accept that on the astral plane the boundary between creator and creation, or dreamer and dream is non-existent.

So if Quantum Physics premise is correct, that all is one, are our experiences during OOBEs, phasing & lucid dreaming
representative of the creation principle, and our perception of physical reality is the exception.

This reminds me of Nassim Haramein, pointing out:
*It is the space that defines matter, not the matter defining the space.
(Pay attention to the 99.99999% space in an atom)
http://www.in5d.com/forum/index.php?topic=2559.0

[dreamingod]

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Subjective Reality vs Objective Reality.
Are there absolutes (true all the time) or is everything a matter of perspective?

What Is Reality?


Additional information here for consideration:

http://www.in5d.com/forum/index.php?topic=2565.msg4191#msg4191