Multidimensional Realities - various OBE phenomena explained

[pondini]

i was very impressed by all the material at jurgen's site, and i didn't know he was a member here. it is nice to see him posting again, even if his time here is limited.

what i'd really like to see is an interview with him and tom campbell to discuss the similarities and differences between their ideas about the larger consciousness system.

[Lionheart]

 I definitely agree Pondini, that would be highly informative. They could do it on something like "Coast to Coast Radio" so we may call in and ask questions after the interview.

[Xanth]

i was very impressed by all the material at jurgen's site, and i didn't know he was a member here. it is nice to see him posting again, even if his time here is limited.

what i'd really like to see is an interview with him and tom campbell to discuss the similarities and differences between their ideas about the larger consciousness system.

Someone mentioned once Campbell, Ziewe, and several others should get together for a Round-Table discussion.
That'd be something really neat.

[c0sm0nautt]

So let's start a fundraiser and organize it! We can make it into a documentary movie. 

[MDM]

Thanks Folks, very nice thoughts. I am not inaccessible. Although I run a full time illustration business, often working late and weekends, I try as much as possible to respond to the emails (sometimes delayed). The work we do here, individually, exploring OBEs and states of consciousness really is a new frontiers activity, potentially vaster and richer even than the discoveries of the New World centuries ago. On Mars we probably only find varieties of sand and rock after having spent billions getting there. OBEs are low budget - high return. Once their true value is realized more people will want to access our higher dimensional realities.

What I find most intriguing are the real returns, such as losing the fear of death, exploring the deeper levels of consciousness, confronting fears, entering higher states of consciousness and becoming aware that there is a root level of energy which simply unites not just human consciousness but everything that appears around us. The last thing I would want is to sound religious by saying this. The great beauty of the experience is we don't have to listen to others to "believe", we can dive into it and discover for ourselves.

That doesn't mean I would be averse to participating in some kind of documentary or discussion project, quite the opposite. Data we unearth should be verified by others and critically analyzed to arrive at some form of consensus. I don't like to make any distinction between published authors, PHDs and the guy with their first OBE. All experiences are valuable resource material and on a spiritual level there is no distinction.

Recently a friend reported what is now referred to as the "flexed window" phenomena. I often found when OBEing and exiting though my bedroom window, the glass would flex like soft thick plastic and then pop as I went through. When pointing this out, others came forward and reported the same phenomena. This is a powerful consensual observation. The subconscious and consciousness would always associate glass with shattering rather than flexing. I pointed this out to the members of INACS (Institute for Neuroscience and Consciousness Studies) and mentioned this should be treated as proof that there is an element of "physicality" to a higher dimensional level.

I already heard mentioned on this threat, after my own posting, the "cartoon" effect. What is this all about and why is this happening? What function of consciousness is at work here? A while back I had a dream where I was in a room with people talking, when I noticed right in front of my eyes a large green cartoon caterpillar crawling past with big cartoon eyes and a big "up yours" grin on his face. I immediately concluded I was dreaming and instantly became fully lucid. The caterpillar vanished, but the people were still there. I deepened awareness and started talking to the people asking them about their "death" (of course they looked at me in an amused kind of way).

What I am saying is, every observation is valuable when seen in the context of the observations of others. This is why forums are important. Naturally they are also of great help to newcomers. The knowledge of the few becomes the experience of the many.

(BTW Ryan, I finally put a link to your website.)

[Rudolph]

Recently a friend reported what is now referred to as the “flexed window” phenomena. I often found when OBEing and exiting though my bedroom window, the glass would flex like soft thick plastic and then pop as I went through. When pointing this out, others came forward and reported the same phenomena.

I have not noticed that in particular.

What I did notice, which I thought made no sense, was that the curtains would sorta wave a little "in the breeze" as I shot past them.

Glass seemed to present no obstacle at all. But walls were a problem now and then. Closed doors were a big obstacle.

I even got to where I would mock up a portal on the wall sometimes in order to ease the transition. In fact, come to think of it, that was a more reliable "translocation" trick because I would see elements of the place I wanted to get to on the other side and even activity consistent with the destination and then I would simply cross into it. Often when I go through a wall I will emerge 'who-knows-where'.

[Volgerle]

Recently a friend reported what is now referred to as the "flexed window" phenomena. I often found when OBEing and exiting though my bedroom window, the glass would flex like soft thick plastic and then pop as I went through. When pointing this out, others came forward and reported the same phenomena. This is a powerful consensual observation. The subconscious and consciousness would always associate glass with shattering rather than flexing. I pointed this out to the members of INACS (Institute for Neuroscience and Consciousness Studies) and mentioned this should be treated as proof that there is an element of "physicality" to a higher dimensional level.

I can confirm this, too. At least it is sth similar to your observation. I fly through windows often as I created a replica of my childhood house as a 'portal'.
Of course, I do not always remember this detail, but when I recall it then it is due to this remarkable 'drag' you just have to remember. There is some 'resistance' from this 'substance' which is hard to put in words. But normally it is not difficult to overcome. And yes, I feel this kind of flexible or elastic behaviour of this astral glass-'substance', too.
It is actually funny. You drag it along with you a little when you reach the other side, and then it kind of lets you go and 'plopps' back into place (seemingly undamaged). Once I took the shutters with me as they were down to one third and this kind of dragging was then more weary, it even felt a bit 'metallic' due to the shutters as I dragged them with me (almost a metre to the outside) until it 'plopped' back into place again, too.

[Xanth]

My experiences with windows and the glass in them is that the glass usually doesn't seem to do anything as I pass through the window.
More often than not, as soon as I pass through the window I'd be somewhere else not related to what was outside the window previously.

One example was in a lucid awareness experience where I jumped through my bedroom window.  One would assume I'd be in the area right outside where that window is in physical reality... but I ended up several blocks away instead.  What happened here was that I was thinking about what I was going to do and where I was going at the time, which shot me directly there as I passed through the window/portal.

[AJDIN]

I ALWAYS go out my bedroom window, and i literally ghost through it... i sometimes even flip out of the house and land on the floor and i always land in my drive way

[MDM]

I have experienced both, just passing through and also what Volgerle confirmed, the bulging effect. Sometimes, after bulging, the "glass" bursts into fine droplets or particles with a "pop" and then zaps back to its former status. I wondered whether a certain anticipation of resistance brings into focus the materiality of the astral dimension which reveals intrinsic "physical" properties. Volgerle (and others) have described this with blinds as well. The moment attention is focused on something else, perhaps something on the other side or a different target altogether may simply bypass the resistance.

Talking of resistance I recently came across a report of an experiencer who reported electric power cables crisscrossing the sky which made it difficult for him to rise into the sky. This was also a confirmed phenomena and it triggered memories from my early days of OBEs where I came across the power cable effect a number of times, but later I never had it again.

If these resistance effects are widely observed one has to ask whether these are actual dimensional forces or barriers, which express themselves as certain "metaphors" we can relate to or identify as Tom Campbell would probably refer to them. Or if they are just projections of our own subconscious or may be perhaps a bit of both.

Barriers in general always seemed to pop up from time to time. I had similar barriers my OBEs in the distant past which Robert Monroe also reported in his first book. In the end, after months of frustration, I had the good fortune to meet an old Chines guide (during OBEs), who trained me to overcome these limitation. I understood from the tasks he set me that they were mainly barriers created by myself. Though  later I came to understand that these barriers are actual barriers between dimension which have to be broken by shifting awareness to the next dimensional level, which meant relinquishing some of the coarser material. On the much higher levels, which I refer to as the "Super Dimensions", it simply meant relinquishing the Ego with its social identifications.

I am very aware of the big influence Monroe (and Keppler) are having on this forum with the terminology, such as "Focuses" with assigned numbers, which makes a lot of sense and I am in general agreement with it. The reason I like to refer to it as a hierarchy of dimensions is that to me they seem to be stacked like "boxes" of different types of energies, where identification with coarser energies won't allow us to enter a dimensional level (or focus level) of a finer energy.

[c0sm0nautt]

Funny you mentioned the power lines, I was just about to bring that up. I finished the first part of your book and I can also attest to having power lines in an OBE where they aren't in PR (although I never experienced them crisscrossed). I think I may have experienced this before being influenced by Monroe's work as well. 

Your book is wonderful by the way, I recommend it to everyone on this forum. It has rekindled my interest in meditation and I have been dedicated the past week. 

[Lionheart]

 Here is a interview with Stephan A Schwartz, he will be on Coast to Coast Radio live on Monday Feb 13th. Here he speaks on Consciousness and the preception of it. http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/. The video is at the bottom of the page.

[c0sm0nautt]

MDM, In your book you mention the "construction sites" found in the non-physical locations closer to the Earth dimension. I've came across this as well. What do you think this symbolizes?

[Xanth]

Construction Sites?

[c0sm0nautt]

Aye, liked building taking place.

[MDM]

I think everything we are engaged in during our waking hours can extend into the territory of our "dream" world, especially on the lower dimensional level of out-of-body "dreamers" (not conscious during projection), OBE projectors and the deceased. Everything that exists on this physical level also exists on the next dimensional levels, pubs, taxis, supermarkets, trains, you name it - everything, because everything has a higher dimensional counterpart. In my own experiences I have been to supermarkets (often rather empty), traveled on buses, trains, planes and automobiles. I talked to "dreamers" while traveling on a bus once. I've even paid money for something when asked by an astral vendor, where I magically pulled some strange currency out of my pocket.

So naturally there is no reason why there can't be building sites including diggers, trucks and cranes etc. In the appendix of my book I addressed these issues of how things come into existence on the higher dimensional levels and why. You don't have to buy my book though, a magazine called "Space of Love" reprinted this article with some of the information which you can download here:
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/content/Super_Powers.pdf

Once you have become familiar with the higher dimensional levels it will also become easier to find out the "whys" and "hows", because you can more easily tune into the information pool. Many people who have never ventured into the higher dimensional level often believe that it is something totally different from our earth level. Yes it is, but also it isn't. Many people I have spoken to and who had died had quickly adjusted to their new life and taken many of the strange things for granted, believing that their previous earth life, was little more than a dream. We also have to bear in mind that on the lower earth-like levels, the powers are greatly restricted. For example many there are reluctant to take advantage of their new power of flying, because it takes too much energy and requires a positive attitude, which they find harder to muster. So they carry on as they are used to on earth.

Creativity too is limited. So not surprisingly there is still some form of currency, but they don't seem to pay too much attention to what the currency looks like, almost anything that looks like money will do. People who have learned a certain craft while on earth are better at creating things such as builders and craftsmen, they are enlisted by others to create homes, objects and even cars etc. They soon learn that their selfless act increases their creative powers and they gradually advance to a higher level. Of course I am talking here of the lower earth-like dimensional levels. On the higher dimensional level the picture changes dramatically.

A couple of days ago I projected to a much higher dimensional level and was given a tour of the equivalent of a country estate (The people who invited me where people I recognized from a previous inter life). We proceeded via a horse drawn coach to a massive conservatory, double the size of a football stadium, the massive roof held up by magnificent palm-shaped pillars, the glass panes  laid out in intricate pattern. I tried to memorize it in order to recreate when returning, but the intricacy was simply too mind blowing to attempt. The inside of this vast conservatory was landscaped with plants. flowers and water features which would have demanded creativity I have not come across even in sumptuous Hollywood movies, especially with regard to some of the plants which don't even exist here. Now such creativity is not possible on the lower levels.

[c0sm0nautt]

I see. The way I am currently conceptualizing it is the (Multi?)Universe created us as individual units of itself to have the experience of evolving from physical matter though the higher dimensions, until we eventually reunite with all that is.

Seems like a lot of people get caught up with human drama and stuck in the lower, less creative, dimensions.

Imagine the creator decided to destroy all life on Earth in the flick of an eye, and everyone on Earth automatically upgraded from physical reality to the astral reality. It would take some people quite some time to realize anything is different.

[AJDIN]

Hi MDM - if you don't mind having a look at my last topic in the OBE about guides teaching you things - if you don't mind explaining some of the things you have learned and how the guides have went about teaching, i do realize your time is scarce here on this forum but just wanted too get this out in the open for the odd chance you do have time . thanks!!!

[MDM]

Hi MDM - if you don't mind having a look at my last topic in the OBE about guides teaching you things - if you don't mind explaining some of the things you have learned and how the guides have went about teaching, i do realize your time is scarce here on this forum but just wanted too get this out in the open for the odd chance you do have time . thanks!!!

Thanks Ajdin, can you point me to the thread?

[Xanth]

I think he's referring to this thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/more_learning_experiences-t36376.0.html

[AJDIN]

Yup Xanths on the money

[sercetu]

Hello everybody. This is an interesting thread.

I want to do a contribution. I have made my own audios for projecting and I want to share them with you.

I made two audios, one of binaural beats and the other of isochronic tones. Both have the same frequencies.

0 to 10 minutes: from 32 to 8 hz.
10 to 20 minutes: from 8 to 4 hz.
20 to 60 minutes: it remains in 4 hz.
60 to 70 minutes: from 4 to 32 hz.

I put the sound OM during the first 30 minutes.


Download here: http://depositfiles.com/files/mvu0wk9qx




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[MDM]

Hello everybody. This is an interesting thread.

I want to do a contribution. I have made my own audios for projecting and I want to share them with you.

I made two audios, one of binaural beats and the other of isochronic tones. Both have the same frequencies.

0 to 10 minutes: from 32 to 8 hz.
10 to 20 minutes: from 8 to 4 hz.
20 to 60 minutes: it remains in 4 hz.
60 to 70 minutes: from 4 to 32 hz.

I put the sound OM during the first 30 minutes.

Download here: http://depositfiles.com/files/mvu0wk9qx
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Thanks for the link, huge file though, won't download.

[CFTraveler]

I downloaded it, but it won't open, bcs the extension is unknown to my computer.

[sercetu]

Both audios are in wav format and compressed in a rar file.
There is no any strange extension.

I suggest to use JDownloader for downloading them.