OBE with Mental projections?

[astrophlakes]

Finally! After years of reading about OBEs, workshops and practice, last night was my first conscious OBE!  I have gotten to the vibrational state many times, but i always panic and cant hold it.  My first vibrational state was about 4 years ago and it was the most intense.  I felt and heard electric-like vibes in my body and I got my arms free and waved them around but have never left my body all the way.  Last night I got the vibes once, paniced, woke up and then fell asleep.  A little while later the vibes came back, even stronger now, and I was feeling even more conscious than usual and I didn't panic, I just kept telling myself to hold the vibes (cuz usually I just try an exit technique right away and Ive been thinking that I need to hold the vibrational state for a little longer) and keep calm.  I held it for what seemed to be about three times longer than I normally can, probably about a minute and a half, and then it just happened quite naturally.  I simply began to float right out.  The vibes went away and i was floating over my bed.  I made a conscious choice not to look down at my body so that I wouldn't get sucked back in and just slowly floated to the window by my bed.  I felt the weird tingly texture of the window as I passed through and out above my street.  Controlling where I went was a little difficult, but I was getting the hang of it.  I tried a mantra, I looked up to try to see the moon, I was going to use it as a reference point to fly skywards, but I didn't have full consciousness or full control.  I flew up above my house and looked down but it didn't look quite right.  It didn't look like I thought it would, like it would from an airplane.  It was almost like I was putting some of my own mental projections into the landscape.  It seems like there were houses on my block the were missing altogether and I even looked at a tree when I was at ground level and it looked almost tropical (i live in Colorado, no tropics here), and it seems like I was creating some of these inconsistencies with what my neighborhood actually looks like.  

So I guess my question is can you project your own creations into the astral realm, like a tropical tree that doesn't exist?  Of course you can do this in other dimensions but I thought the astral was supposed to be an exact replica of the physical plane, but this was almost like a lucid dream where I could create objects, and some things like neighbors houses were missing.  But this definitely wasn't a lucid dream, I felt the strange texture of walls and windows when I passed through and when I floated out I was in my bed, not in some dreamscape.  I only wish I would have remembered William Buhlman's advice of saying "clarity now!" to gain full vision, consciousness and clarity, because like I said I wasn't 100% conscious and in control, more like 85%.  And maybe this is why it didn't seem to be an exact replica of the physical?  Almost everything did look right, and this morning to my suprise I noticed the "tropical" tree next door is a big, brilliant tree and maybe seeing it in the astral I put my own twist on how it looked?  It just seems like some of the details where missing in the landscape, maybe not missing, but that I couldn't see the whole street in full detail at the same time.  But it was still an amazing 5 minutes of floating around my street, I got a mantra in, I looked up at the moon and I remember it well, I woke up right after I returned.  So overall I cant really ask for more from my first OBE, but next time I'm hoping for more clarity and detail and control.  But have any of you veterans noticed this lack of vision and detail on your early excursions?

[todd421757]

Congratulations, you had a conscious OBE going until you looked at the moon. Then the dream images started to interfere with the OBE. Keep a shorter distance going on your next OBE; otherwise, you will keep falling into a lucid dream.

Keep getting those vibrations. They make OBE's so much easier.

[astrophlakes]

Wow that's funny you say that, cuz it seems like I had a hard time finding the moon and when I finally did, it was right at the highest point the zenith I guess and it looked way to small.  Right after that was when I noticed the tree that didn't look right.  So that would make a lot of sense that I went lucid at that point.  Why does looking at the moon induce a lucid dream?

[Lionheart]

 First off, Congratulations are in order and here's to may more. 
To clear up your Astral Vision use the command "Clarity Now"! You will see your vision clear up almost immediately.
Good Luck and Safe Travels! 

[todd421757]

Wow that's funny you say that, cuz it seems like I had a hard time finding the moon and when I finally did, it was right at the highest point the zenith I guess and it looked way to small.  Right after that was when I noticed the tree that didn't look right.  So that would make a lot of sense that I went lucid at that point.  Why does looking at the moon induce a lucid dream?

Many OBE's that are outside the house, have a great chance of slipping into a lucid dream especially if you are intently looking at something (in your particular case the moon). When you activate your sight in an OBE, you run the risk of slipping into a lucid dream. The reason for this is dreams are made up of visualizations.

There are two ways I use to avoid slipping into a lucid dream.

1) During an OBE, just use your etheric sense of feeling motion and energy to travel instead of using your sight. You can practice this during the day by closing your eyes and walking around your house while sensing objects and feeling your movements without using your sight.

2) Stay in your house during the OBE and avoid wandering outside. Keep all bedroom doors in your house open, so you don't have to travel through doors or walls.

[astrophlakes]

Man this is crazy, I got the vibes for like the next 4 nights following that first experience.  I haven't been able to hang on to the vibrational state for as long though.  I even got the vibes this morning in bed, which Ive only done a couple times ever, I'm usually a nighttime viber...  Any tips on how to hold the vibrational state for a little longer once I'm there?  Ive gotten much calmer and less panic prone and have really been enjoying the vibes, they used to freak me out quite a bit.  So I'm just trying to keep clam and "invite them in" to stay longer, but any extra tips you guys might have are totally welcome!  It seems like if I get too calm and try not to focus on anything, i just fall asleep, and of course if I panic like I did for years, I wake up.  So how do I hold that perfect balance of calm awareness without falling asleep or waking up?  Ill keep practicing though, this is getting quite interesting!

[LightBeam]

There is no purpose of prolonging the vibrations. This will only decrease your chances of projection, because they do bring your consciousness to a state of wakefulness. Their job is to exactly "wake you up", but just for a few seconds. Of you don't use these moments to "get out", then you are increasing the chance of your physical body to wake up as well. Immediately imagine yourself standing next to your door, or simply try to get up, and you will find yourself in the astral.

[todd421757]

Any tips on how to hold the vibrational state for a little longer once I'm there?  

Vibrations are awesome    And they can heal the body since energy controls all bodily processes.

I look forward to each and every episode.

You can keep the vibrations going for as long as you would like by using your mind and use your intense will power to raise the vibrational frequency (sound) as high as you can go, while gently rolling your eyes backwards.

The longer you keep the vibrations going, the more net energy that is coming into the body. Without energy, the physical body is lifeless and cannot survive. Energy is everything. Energy can heal as long as it is a high frequency energy.

Read this thread for further information:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/initialisation_of_vibrations-t37348.0.html

[Contenteo]

Cool deal. Congrats on your first.

can you project your own creations into the astral realm, like a tropical tree that doesn't exist?

Ok, I want you to do something. Imagine your grocery store right now. Go through it in your mind, down the isles, through the frozen food section, behind the cashiers, go down a couple more isles, over to the produce.

That place, which the greeks called your 'mental palace', IMO, is actually where you are going when you project. No not your local food store. your version of that for your own house. It's confusing because you know your room and neighborhood pretty well. pretty well. That's why things are kind of screwy. Slight differences. Think back to your foodstore. Its going be slightly different each time. Maybe you accidentally mix a couple stores together. So, if you imagine it, anything you want can exist in these lower levels of the astral. Tropical trees. Corvettes. Ice cream tub. Whatever you want to believe. Your choice. This applies whether the thought is by your own volition or not.

Congrats again. Best of luck.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[astrophlakes]

So, if you imagine it, anything you want can exist in these lower levels of the astral.[/u] Tropical trees. Corvettes. Ice cream tub. Whatever you want to believe. Your choice. This applies whether the thought is by your own volition or not.

Thanks Contenteo, that make perfect sense.  I know the astral is extremely reactive to our thoughts, perceptions, and influence, but I always thought the RTZ was supposed to be an exact copy of the physical, and like others have said above as well, I could have been going lucid at some point or just projecting my own manifestations into the astral.  Cheers.

 Also a quick update, I've been getting vibes like crazy!  3 separate times last night (and almost as many LDs). I tried raising the frequency and moving them up into my head or third eye (and I did see an eye staring back at me, surprisingly) I was so close to another exit!  And now I know since reading the thread on vibes that these are definitely not the higher kundalini vibes, I've only had those once, on my first experience many years ago, and I always sort of wondered why the other vibes I get regularly now don't seem as crystal clear and high frequency.  So can you turn the lower vibes into the kundalini vibes just buy raising their frequency?  Or does it take a whole different approach and the kundalini vibes come from a different place altogether?  Not that Im complaining about the lower vibes, those are the ones I had on my first full OBE and they are amazing...

[todd421757]

I tried raising the frequency and moving them up into my head or third eye (and I did see an eye staring back at me, surprisingly) I was so close to another exit!
 
So can you turn the lower vibes into the kundalini vibes just buy raising their frequency?  Or does it take a whole different approach and the kundalini vibes come from a different place altogether?  

Not that Im complaining about the lower vibes, those are the ones I had on my first full OBE and they are amazing...

Your above experience was the kundalini vibrations.

The kundalini vibes (higher frequency) come from the internal chakra system. The classic (lower frequency) vibes come from the external aura surrounding the body.

I have found when you raise the vibrational frequency, the kundalini vibrations will get stronger and last longer. When you try to raise the frequency of the classic external vibrations, the vibrations tend to fade away.

The goal is to always raise the vibrational frequency, so you start getting only the higher frequency kundalini vibrations.

The kundalini vibrations heal the body better and overall feel amazing. The classic external vibrations are a little more effective for OBE induction but do not feel as amazing as the kundalini vibrations.

[Contenteo]

Thanks Contenteo, that make perfect sense.  I know the astral is extremely reactive to our thoughts, perceptions, and influence, but I always thought the RTZ was supposed to be an exact copy of the physical, and like others have said above as well, I could have been going lucid at some point or just projecting my own manifestations into the astral.  Cheers.

Yeah, I have projected for quite some time now and still have not reached a full RTZ point. the more I project the more I have this feeling that everything is happening within one's own mental concept of the RTZ, rather than the RTZ itself. As the greeks put it, a 'mental palace' of what actualy exists, rather then what actually is there. For example, kind of like your image of the grocery store right now..
Through the model I look at it, even if we have a 'crystal clear', 'A+', 'ballpark frank' projection, we would still only be seeing the world from one other person's point of view.  It makes me question an existence of an RTZ at all, if not a delusion of someone's misconception of the lower levels of the astral actually being the RTZ. But who knows. My research goes on.

Cheers,
Contenteo