OBE and AP using the same techniques, how?

[blidge]

While laying in bed i used my affirmation, " i am out of body" as i do every night and continue to do so also when ive awaken in the night and then eventually fall back to sleep. But my question is throughout all my experiences that ive posted on pulse, what defines having an AP one time and next an OBE?

This experience for me is an AP, as follows:

Laying in bed i move what i initially think is my physical feet in bed, but it does feel odd so i decided to roll out of bed and feel if it is my physical body moving. i fall with a thump onto the floor and stand up. I force my eyes to open and look at the bedroom which looks the same as in physical reality as much as i could tell. i say to myself, "clarity now and energy now" i say this a few times, but then after that everything starts to fade and i sense that this experience is going to end before ive done anything. So i use one of the techniques that i have used before and have read about, i look at my astral feet and spin like a spinning top to refocus my consciousness, this works.

I walk through my bedroom door, down the hallway and through the next wall to the house next door. When i enter the wall everything goes black, but i can sense things that i touch as i walk through the darkness. i enter a lighted room and see a woman who is the mother of the girl who is my next door neighbour. The experience fades and that's about it.

Now, ive had proper OOBE using the same affirmation techniques that also enables me to have APs, why is this the case?

[todd421757]

Blidge,

Your above experience is a classic OBE (etheric projection). Give us an example of an astral projection experience for you, so we can answer your question better.

[blidge]

I became aware that my astral body was at exit point within my physical, so i rolled out onto the bedroom floor with a mild thump and tried to make my way to my bedroom door. Having had some good experiences over the last 6 months or so and wanting to go through my bedroom wall into the back garden as opposed to going through my bedroom door i made my way to my wall, but as im trying to progress i feel like my feet are in tar so i ask for clarity now and power now. I immediately ask for clarity now and energy/power now so everything is clear and easier etc.

I make my way to the wall and cannot pass through it, it feels solid but i think i should be able to pass through so i turn around and head to my door. I grab the door handle and the door opens. Make my way to one of my bedrooms and walk towards the window, it looks different. Still aware that im having an AP i think, i try and go through the window. I push the curtain to the side and climb through the window and find myself outside my mothers house( location change).

Lots of people are walking up and down the street on both sides, i want to visit a friend who ive told in waking life ill try and go see her so i ask for my spirit guide, i have to ask four times before a child just appears infront of me, i say hi and acknowledge her. She tells me her name is Zoe, i ask her," can we go and see my friend Ang"? she says," yes", i reply," and can we fly there"? she replys, "no, i cant". I then become suspicious, so i ask her to tell me something that i dont already know,i dont know why i asked that. i wanted to know if it was my spirit guide, a figment of my imagination or a malevolent being of some sort. She then says," well i know that your a Capricorn", but before she could finish i said,"no im not, im a pisces" which i am.

I told her to go away and tried to will her away but she wouldn't go. i tried to summon some power to help me but at that point things just faded.

i used the same affirmation for this experience, is this the same focus level? Ap or OOB?

[todd421757]

Blidge,

Your second experience was a classic OBE until you started to lose some energy to fuel your separated etheric body. Due to this loss of energy, you started to feel your feet become stuck in tar. This loss of energy also led to you not having enough energy to travel through a wall. As a result you slipped into a lucid dream (astral projection). Then the dream images caused inconsistencies in your projection like grabbing the door handle and the door opens. Or when you started to walk down the down the street and talking to a child.

Anytime you start talking to people in an OBE and they talk back, consider yourself in a lucid dream (astral projection) and not a classic OBE.

The more energy you have in an OBE, the longer and farther you can go before slipping into a lucid dream.

You must be in an absolute good healthy condition. If you have even the slightest minor illness like a cold or headache do not attempt. There must be an emotional and physical balance in order for this to work. The slightest sickness will affect your emotions. Do not attempt to try it if you in any way feel exhausted, eaten prior, or have consumed alcohol within the last 48 hours. The alcohol in the bloodstream will have its negative affect on your body if you perform a classic OBE.

Overall you are having very good experiences. I would keep doing your usual OBE technique. I would recommend to keep your energy levels high, so you can have the best OBE's like the first one you described in this post.

I hope I answered your question. If I didn't, I kindly ask you to rephrase your question, so I can better understand it.

[blidge]

Thanks for the interpretation, but my question is why when using the same affirmation would i NOT gain the same results? and why different?

[todd421757]

Thanks for the interpretation, but my question is why when using the same affirmation would i NOT gain the same results? and why different?

I believe it has to do with how much energy you bring into the OBE. The more energy you bring into it, the better chances of it being a classic OBE. When you bring in less energy or you run out of energy during the projection, you have a higher chance to have an astral projection or lucid dream.

This is why vibrations are beneficial for classic OBE's because the vibrations are filling the body with the necessary energy to fuel the projection.

[blidge]

This is why vibrations are beneficial for classic OBE's because the vibrations are filling the body with the necessary energy to fuel the projection.

Hi Todd,many thanks for the prompt reply, now that makes a lot of sense to me regarding energy. Looking back on all of my experiences, the ones where i have had vibrations have been more closely linked to the RTZ. So even though i may use the same affirmations its whether i feel vibrations or not that can either give me an OOTB or AP experience.

[todd421757]

You are welcome 

[ange.connell]

So, do you have to get to the vibrational stage to experience an OOBE/AP etc? I thought that some people didn't get vibrations? Confused!!

[Szaxx]

Hi,
True and Im one. I've gone to the RTZ from phasing without vibes too. I started a thread 'to the door perfectly' on here a short while ago. Have a read, it may help.

[todd421757]

So, do you have to get to the vibrational stage to experience an OOBE/AP etc? I thought that some people didn't get vibrations? Confused!!

Szaxx is correct. It is possible to go to the RTZ (etheric plane) without vibrations. But it is rare for this to happen.

If you want to go to the RTZ consistently and frequently, you must get the vibrations on a regular basis.

It's like a car. With fuel a car can go until it runs out of fuel. Is it possible for a car to move without fuel? Yes, if it is parked on a down hill, and the brake is let loose. The preferred method is to use fuel.

Etheric projection (classic OBE's) the great majority of the time require the vibrations.

Astral projection, lucid dreaming, phasing, and meditation do not require vibrations, and they may or may not be present.

I have only had one classic OBE that did not have vibrations. The rest have all had vibrations.

I take a scientific approach to my OBE's. I want them to be as objective and reproducible as possible. I recap the entire separation process after every OBE. I look for similarities and ways to reproduce them on a consistent basis. Vibrations are the deciding factor in 99.5% of my OBE's whether they turn into a classic OBE or not.

[Xanth]

My apologies for contradicting statements here... please feel free to disagree with me. 

You can project just fine without ever experiencing the "vibrations".  I don't believe they're ever required.  I think I've felt the vibrations only a small handful of times ever throughout my experiences.

In the end, it would seem that some people experience them and some people don't.  It's my experience that they're not required in order to project (etheric, astral or otherwise), but other people experience them.  Because some people experience them and some don't, that says to me that there could be a "belief" in there somewhere interfering... or perhaps some people are skipping that part of the projection process.  Who knows really.  LoL

What I do know is this, as I've done it multiple times:
If you want to explore this physical reality in a non-physical state  (aka RTZ/etheric projection)... project however you wish, then place your Intent to do something in this physical reality. 
A good idea is to start where most people begin, your bedroom.  Place the Intent to explore your bedroom.  You should feel a shift and appear there... then go on your merry way. 

[todd421757]

Because some people experience them and some don't, that says to me that there could be a "belief" in there somewhere interfering... or perhaps some people are skipping that part of the projection process.  Who knows really.  LoL

Everything we say about OBE's is a theory until it can be proven. In the meantime, theories help us become pioneers in this research.

I don't think beliefs are interfering with the vibration episodes. My very first vibration episode came 12 years ago. At that time, I never heard of vibrations or OBE's. I had no reason to believe in vibrations since I never even heard of them before. There are many others including my girlfriend who had the same thing happen. She said she had a vibration episode when she was 5 years old. She didn't know what it was until I told her just recently. In conclusion, this would mean the vibrations are an objective bodily process. Whether this is a physical or non-physical bodily process is still unknown.

I agree many may be skipping that part of the separation process or the vibrations are happening during the blackout stage of separation and they are unconscious of them.