Guides

[nikolai]

Hey guys, some questions if you don't mind for those who 'travel'

1. How early/late (i.e. how many trips) in your projection/phasing/obe-ing, did you meet your guide the first time?
2. What did they look like?
3. What was the scene?
4. What was the conversation about?
5. When did you meet them again next time (how many trips later)?
6. How do you meet them now (i.e. what is your method of meeting them)?
7. How regularly do you work with them now (i.e. every trip, once every 10 trips, etc?

[nikolai]

update on my end:
So far I met my guide and spoke to him 2 times (it appears as a man).
Each time it was a person with dark skin (latino/black/asian(indian) looking)

Then I read that first time Rob Monroe met his guide it was a person with dark skin, and the first time Bruce Moen met his guide it was a giant woman with dark skin (first time I met my guide it was a giant man with dark skin)

Hence I'm wondering if people keep meeting the same kind of looking guide the first time around?

[Contenteo]

The first person I met that I could reasonably term a guide was a pale balding heavier set(not fat) white man. He was wearing a light blue business white and khakis. Straight out of Microsoft.
Met this one fairly earlier but our interaction was brief.



The second was an older white women. We had a long conversation about phasing and rules. I do remember specifically ask, "Can I tell people this(what she just told me)?" Her answer was a decisive "No". I know Lion has experienced the same thing.
That one was an afternoon nap phase experience. Very smooth, very lucid and detailed.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[nikolai]

woo hoo, I got a reply

Thanks Contenteo, did the first person say 'I am your guide' or did you ask them and they confirm this in an explicit manner?

Did you ask them anything else about them being your guide (eg: are they part of a group of guides, how many guides are working on 'you', etc)?

I'm trying to understand how guides work, so far my guide told me that I have only one guide (him) and he just changes shape dependent on the lesson he needs to teach me. This made me wonder how many times I had talked to him/interacted without realising it is 'him' that I am interacting with

[Contenteo]

Thanks Contenteo, did the first person say 'I am your guide' or did you ask them and they confirm this in an explicit manner?

You just kind of know. How do YOU know anything is going on in your dreams? You just do. After all this time in dreams and in the astral, I think this intangible communication method is how it works 'over there'. In my mind its kind of like a centralization, akin to group norms, but rather then this complex phsyical nonverbal communcation method we use here on the phsyical, you can just add things to this 'centralized group norm set' at will. Naturally, everyone 'tuned in' to the norm set gets the idea. This is how it is here in the physical with norms, we make our own barriers, not society.
If I have permission to strain you mind a little further, this 'centralized group norm set' is the intent of the group and changes the environment respectively.

However, this is just my personal inference from hoards of inductive reasoning culminated into a deductive understanding.

Did you ask them anything else about them being your guide (eg: are they part of a group of guides, how many guides are working on 'you', etc)?

Again, it was just kind of known. I will say, I have been with 'people' that I know are NOT my guide. I still don't know if this is even my 'guide' its just entities that kinda sit you down and talk to for a bit.

I'm trying to understand how guides work, so far my guide told me that I have only one guide (him) and he just changes shape dependent on the lesson he needs to teach me.

I kinda got the feeling that guides can change shape. I mean everything else does if you just look the other way, if its that simple, its almost silly to think they wouldnt have the ability to instantaneously change the image, or you individual perspective of the image at their 'will.'

Cheers,
Contenteo

[nikolai]

Thank you for replying!

Much food for thought

[Volgerle]

"1. How early/late (i.e. how many trips) in your projection/phasing/obe-ing, did you meet your guide the first time?"

according to my journal: ca. 14 months after my first conscious projection

"2. What did they look like?"

There are more. The first was a girl, she taught me the "cut-the-crap"-lesson and thus I learnt to 'phase' as well  . But I did not see her always, and not on the first time, only 'sense', and "hear" (literally in my ears!), as sometimes I had exit blindness problems then.

"3. What was the scene?"

It's almost always in my astral "portal", then we make simple exercises (I'm not a pro yet) and/or fly out of the window together, hand in hand.

"4. What was the conversation about?"

The first time? I asked her for her name. I then heard her voice physically in my ear, eerie experience, it was as if s.o. talks to you in a room, not telepathically. I've had this more often now. Seems they are able to manipulate my eardrum or chochlea or somehow re-create the same hearing experience in the brain. It's astounding! On that experience she told me I would "know soon" her name, which was right as later I got to know her name, indeed.

"5. When did you meet them again next time (how many trips later)?"

Occasionally, always when I ask to be 'given a hand' on the exit. Later they are almost always invisible to me, but sometimes I see them, too. Sometimes there is a mix when I see their outlines, blurry, air moving around their body shape. I assume it happens when they operate on a higher frequency I cannot yet (or could not then) reach entirely. I call it the "Predator combat mode" (if you know the movie, you know what I mean). 

"6. How do you meet them now (i.e. what is your method of meeting them)?"

Same as above. Astral portal. My hand stretched out. 1 or 2 of them grabs them. One time it was one guide as two persons. He had duplicated himself. A more 'pale' duplicate version was then flying to my right holding my hand and then the 'correct' version to my left. That was a cool experience. I consider him my main guide. He is an older monk, a bit stubby ... and has blue skin. Funny guy.

I also have a "dream guide" that I hardly see in lucid experiences, that's why I call him this way. He mostly comes as one of my buddies I have or had in this life, sometimes as other persons or "himself", too. But with other persons I later always see him 'shining through' and know (when awake) that it was not a friend but my guide. He is always different than my buddies. More serious and his facial expression is always the same. That's why and how I recognise him.

[nikolai]

Volgerle thank you, this is fascinating!
Also some neat tips you gave on how to exit better (I'l ask my guide from now on to help me exit (feels like cheating for some reason, lol)