Understanding issue

[EEthmane]

Hi,
I've been getting a lot of informations for the last 3 months ( Dimensions, Perception, Vibrational States, Chakras, Entities , Guides and so on... ), and I'm slowly processing it.
Something popped in my mind tonight that doesn't make sense , here goes :

From my ( new ) understanding of things, the entities that the average joe perceives as a " ghost ", belong to the astral world not the physical, right ?

How come a lot of people have crossed paths with those entities in the physical world ?

[Contenteo]

There are so many idiosyncrasies to address, I am not going to attempt to address any. Instead, I'll be broad, and vague and let you put the puzzle pieces together. That's going to be more fun for you anyway.

Ok, so these 'ghosts' exist as figments within your consciousness. As I see, It they aren't actually in the physical. Don't forget, what you see is just light waves entering your eyes. What one senses is crunched into what you call consciousness.

These entities exist in centralized mental models deep within the astral( which in this case should be oooked at the gate to the 'shared oneness'. If people are 'tuned in' to the same mental model(mental palace) then they would perceive the same thing. A great example of this is the astral island experiment done on this sight. Anther more widespread example of these mental models would be the BSTs.

As for the slamming doors, etc. All matter is just trapped energy. Think about what it would take to control that.

Hope this helps you own mental mental of what seems to be going on.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[EEthmane]

If people are 'tuned in' to the same mental model(mental palace) then they would perceive the same thing.

So basically you're saying that all those people that have witnessed ghost appearances ( not slamming doors ect, strictly appearances ) had to be tuned, but how ? How can someone be " tuned " without consent ? by who/what ? meteorological/geographical/environemental conditions  maybe ?
Also, when this happens, does the subject notices the perception/mental mode change ?
I have a bunch of friends who's judgement I trust, and apparently this just seems to happen in particurilar places and they don't really notice any changes before the appearance then fear takes over so I would'nt excpect them to notice.

[Contenteo]

Your hair ever stand on end?

You ever feel like you were being watched?

Cheers,
Contenteo

[EEthmane]

Not really no, I remember witnessing some kinda of " paranormal activity " when I was 5 or 6 , but somehow I erased that memory from my mind. Nothing since then

[Volgerle]

I think we need to differentiate between ghosts and spirits, too.

Ghosts are 'stuck' people, discarnates, more or less recently deceased, living out their fantasies, dreams or even thinking they are still alive, they are to be encountered mostly in the lower levels of the Astral. There are of course many other lower manifestations (e.g. elementals, energies, negs, etc...) possible. The Astral is where also the often-mentioned retrievals take place.

Spirits are not 'stuck' people. They are from "higher" levels, they just 'come down' so to speak. They can be deceased loved ones visiting you, they can be your helpers or any kind of higher-level manifestation (e.g. masters, angels, guides, etc...). Some of them needn't have been incarnated people on Earth before (although many have). They can manifest on the physical level as well as (mostly) on all astral levels 'above' it, you meet them when projecting but also in your dreams taking place in the Astral, too.

Also, there is the third eye or astral sight capablility of incarnated people with developed 'psychic' abilities. They can 'see' / perceive' these manifestations in waking state, even if they cannot perceived by other physical people. Maybe they see spirits, ghosts and elementals and all other kinds of energetic or mental manifestations alike.

[Killa Rican]

My answer will be different from most here through my experiences, validations, general knowledge, research, and upbringing so take it for what it is.

Just to be clear on things I will seperate Terminology.

Not all non-physical entities reside in the 'realm' of mental construct we refer to as "astral".

There are planes of existence that which overlap unto our "physical" world.(That which we can currently measure) Think of it as layers to a cake.

I'm talking non-human entities here. We share this earth with them. They are not mental constructs.

So in a way some non-physical entity's belong to this world and are not of the astral realm.

Ghost and spirit are 2 different things.

Ghosts are residual energies/impressions recorded into the environment, that replays itself automatically over and over, in a specific moment in time and space. They are not "sentient" at all per se. IF you see a Ghost you will see it doing something it was doing in life, it wont be aware of you, it wont pay any notice to you.

An Intelligent spirit was once a part of the physical world(Or of other worlds), they can wander the earth for their own purposes and reasons, some that are currently mysterious and unknown to us. Some are able to pass and move on to Heaven/Astral/Higher Realm.

Part of the main things about spiritual evolution is being able to "move on" and cut ties to the collective physical reality forever. Some spirits are still too attached to this world.

[Dreamshards]

I will add to the above: I honestly don't think you should see these "realms" as separate places. Instead, think of everything as apart of a whole. The separate realms are only different aspects of the entire universe. They can mirror each other, or even build upon each other. We are all pieces of a whole, and i know I'm being vague but many mystics claim that the astral world and physical realm overlap each other. The astral is a replica of the physical but do not govern the same laws. I believe this could be possible, and could definitely explain the sightings of ghosts or other non-physical entities, but who knows for sure. Honestly I am not sure if these ghosts are people who died and are stuck from moving on because unresolved business or disbelief, or negative thought forms left on from the past. Maybe both, but as i said-who knows...

[Killa Rican]

The material world is not the only reality. Another hidden level of reality exists that determines our existence. The physical world is a shadow or projection of a higher reality that cannot be directly grasped by the senses. Only the higher faculties of the human mind and spirit can perceive it.

In the end it's just a matter of seeing the glass as half empty or half full. We might all be one in a sense,  but I put emphasis on the function of these planes of existence engaging them on their own merits.

[Stookie_]

We might all be one in a sense,  but I put emphasis on the function of these planes of existence engaging them on their own merits.

Yeah, you have the microcosm and the macrocosm. They are both correct perspectives and you can have a better idea of things by understanding and experiencing both. At one level, everything is consciousness, but we live in the physical world, and from here that's not experienced - separation is. If your going to play the game, it's best to be familiar with all the rules.

[Killa Rican]

If your going to play the game, it's best to be familiar with all the rules.

Yes I am familiar with it as I have experienced both. But I think what a lot of people trip over, creating a lot of misunderstanding on this point is that- My experience of these things is all in my "head". I can only be aware of them and reflect upon them because the experience is mediated by my consciousness. I can analyze my experience, and I can hypothesize over what may be occurring that my senses did not or cannot perceive - but all of this understanding happens in my mind.

This is of course true of all phenomena we experience, all the time. But given the uncanny nature of the spirit world in general, it has led some to believe & infer that spirits "only"have existence within the "substance" that is consciousness - as much as fictional characters like, say, spongebob squarepants or sherlock holmes do..

So, It's between occultists trying to sound like sophisticated and up-to-date bush psychologists on the one hand, the uncanny and elusive nature of the spirit world in general in the middle, and the Idealist metaphysics of Plato and much more to the point Neoplatonism - one of the strongest philosophical underpinnings of the Western Esoteric Tradition - on the other, one gets the muddle of microcosm/macrocosm you describe.

Personally I lean toward an actual "Spirit Entity" model depending on the circumstance and situation. I strongly disagree that 'everything' metaphysical must be treated as some imaginary manifesation of "self" or a projection of "ego". I have had powerfully profound verifications on my spiritual experiences that would be impossible to fit under the direct "Higher Self" model.I respect everyones belief/interpetation, but this is where I depart. 

I  strongly suspect that some spirits & non-physical entities actually dwell among us on this earth & in places outside the physical world due to such.