Religion

[lucid44]

Have any of you ever asked your guides about the validity/truth about the major religions today? (like christianity

[Killa Rican]

To a degree, religion itself is not entirely manmade. I would argue not all of them are anyways. They are merely factions lol. (Doesnt make one religion better then the other however.)

[rezaf]

Once I was talking to my guide and told her how I was brainwashed to believe in Islam and my guide got angry with me. I asked her "Is there a God?" She said yes. I asked her "Was Mohammad a true prophet?" She said yes. I asked her "Is Islam true?" She said "partly". Other guides have also talked to me about reincarnation and have told me that I can have one small glass of wine occasionally but have forbidden me from eating meat which is different from Islam's teaching. Also we sometimes recite the Quran together and it brings a lot of positive energy. I have also realized that Muslim prayer is actually some sort of effective meditation and is quite good for cleansing the meridians especially the way we wash our face, hands and feet.

Having said that believing in anything blindly is not my style and I want to learn more from all the sources I have but so far the spiritual side of Islam like praying and fasting seem to work well and I'm planning to continue doing them as part of my spiritual education.


Edit: Apart from Islam I have also felt and seen a lot of positive energy of the same kind in some(not all) of the Buddhist temples around China and many of the objects that the monks open to light actually work and have energy.

[WiZe]

I asked her "Is Islam true?" She said "partly"

The Bible holds tons of truth, but only the wisest, can understand it clearly.

[Lionheart]

 All I can say is Phasing/Astral Projection has changed my entire belief system completely. Things that I thought were real and true I found out weren't. But regardless I would never bash anyone elses beliefs even if I feel they are wrong. I also don't try to preach my view to the choirs or wish to be preached to myself.  

[rezaf]

The Bible holds tons of truth, but only the wisest, can understand it clearly.

If Islam is partly true then it means that there is a great chance that all the Abrahamic religions are also partly true as Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism. All I have discovered so far is that these religions have some connections to the astral world and it's not just human spirits that are involved in them. However my knowledge is very limited and before jumping into any conclusions for or against them I need to learn more.

[Killa Rican]

I dont suspect Religion is entirely manmade. I will vaguely refer to the abstract metaphysical as the "influental force" just to be all on the same page.

What most of us can collectively agree on is that that there has been a super natural unseen influential force amongst us humans since the dawn of time. There is a Positive Force, and a negative force, and depending on the region and culture they take up "Forms". The "Archetypes" within our psyche, the hidden fabric that intertwines with our web of thoughts. Plato speaks extensivly on the ambiguity of these forms, and the greater reality that lies in the hidden world. Basically anything that has ever manifested in the physical has had it's source in the non-physical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Forms

As man has evolved gaining intelligence, the ability to rationalize, awareness of all that is around him, they set out exploring, seeking answers, attempting to understand our curious world, and along the way they adopted numerous philosophies as they spread across the globe. Populating the world, building cities of it's own, and collecting knowledge from the far corners of the globe. Evolving cultures and civilizations form and embrace their own explanations for the universe and its mysteries, giving rise to two divergent views mysticism vs faith.

Mysticism, mans study of science and magic, the seen and unseen forces which shape the world around us.

Faith The view that man must put his trust in powers beyond mortal understanding to determine fate and establish set ethical and moral guidelines to live by.

As the Influential Force remains, Over time humans become convinced that "spirits" dwell among them on this earth and in places outside the physical world. We've called them by many names. While they could not directly commune with these entities, they believed contact was possible. Eventually comes the perfecting arts of conjuring and summoning these beings. Inspirational/Chanelled writing, the creation of religious texts. Some forms claimed to be creators of the universe, others claimed to be messengers and sent from the "source.".

What this seems like is; Non-Physical beings  had a large effect on the minds of men to establish the foundation of "Spirit Factions" (Religion in a nutshell.)

I think there is bits and pieces of 'truth' within every religion. I wouldnt say it's all literal, but I think there's a large reason why, for thousands and thousands of years, spirituality itself remains 'ambigous' even today..

[Karas]

There's only 1 religion which is Islam (surrendering to the will of God) 

"Those who believe (in the Qur-ān),
And those who follow the Jewish (scriptures),
And the Christians and the Sabians,—
Any who believe in God
And the Last Day,
And work righteousness,
Shall have their reward
With their Lord: on them
Shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
Quran 2:62

"Do not trust in princes,
or in human beings, who cannot deliver!
... How blessed is the one whose helper is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the Lord his God," (Psalm 146:3, 5)

The expert answered, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself." Jesus said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live." Luke 10:27, 28

"Abandon all varieties of dharma and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear" (Bhagavad-gita 18.66).

"Focus your mind on Me, be My devotee, be My worshiper. Bow down to Me. Engaging your mind in this manner and regarding Me as the supreme goal, you will come to Me." (BG 9-34)

"Focus your mind on Me. Be My devotee. Be My worshiper. Prostrate before Me. You shall come to Me alone. I promise you, truly, for you are dear to Me." (BG 18-65)

By following your human desires you are following Satan/Mara.

Note: Satan/Mara is a humanist, his goal is to get all humans to rely on humans and forget God of the universe.

"Empty the self completely;
Embrace perfect peace.
The world will rise and move;
Watch it return to rest.
All the flourishing things
Will return to their source.

This return is peaceful;
It is the flow of nature,
An eternal decay and renewal.
Accepting this brings enlightenment,
Ignoring this brings misery.

Who accepts nature's flow becomes all-cherishing;
Being all-cherishing he becomes impartial;
Being impartial he becomes magnanimous;
Being magnanimous he becomes natural;
Being natural he becomes one with the Way;
Being one with the Way he becomes immortal:
Though his body will decay, the Way will not." Chapter 16 Tao Te Ching

"Self is the beginning of all hatred, 
of iniquity and slander, of impudence and indecency, 
of theft and robbery, of oppression and bloodshed. 
Self is Mara, the tempter, the evildoer, the creator of mischief. 

Self entices with pleasures. Self promises a fairy's paradise.
Self is the veil of Maya, the enchanter. 
But the pleasures of self are unreal, 
its paradisian labyrinth is the road to misery, 
and its fading beauty kindles the flames of desires 
that never can be satisfied."  ~ Buddha

By giving up worldy desires and earthy treasures, your heart will be satisfyed in the hearafter.

"Do not accumulate for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. But accumulate for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:19-21 NET)

As for recarnations and being spirit beings. Doesn't this idea comfort you into thinking you will be just be a ghost once you die? If that was true then What would be the point in haven a creator who will watch us cause chaos over and over, making people suffer on earth. The kingdom of heaven is earth! We dont want evil to rule over us and that's why God sent messngers all over the world to be as warners for mankind. Because he's gona wipe out every evil human on this planet so the rightous can live in peace, forever.

It's time people stop looking for a way out of death and just face the fact that once there dead they are dead. Only God/Tao/Brahman/Krishna ect can bring you back to life.

The reason for the resurrection is to show mankind that God is the boss and he's showing you that he can bring life as well as death.

What is born of the spirit is spirit and what is born of flesh is flesh. We humans are born of the flesh and we will die in the flesh. So many people have misunderstood that verse... 
That's why he said "you must be born again if you want to enter heaven" 

Our heaven is on earth and will always be.
 

[Killa Rican]

The Abrahamic Faith are religions of conquest. Gods, spirits, entitys, deitys, they all communicate with humans the same exact way. Can you really take for granted the "truth" one being will say over another? They can lie too. What's even worse then a lie, is humans mixing up the messages. (Many ancient texts being forged/altered etc.)

The nature of spirits themselves are uncanny and elusive, relative to the individual they reveal themself too, even outside said individual's own momentary perception of it.

Some cultures and spiritual schools of thought are conscious of an "Author Of All Evil". That is where concepts of a Devil. and a Satanic type "villain" comes in. Other's see it as manifestations of consiousness from a yin/yang type perspective.

Negative and Positive are all aspects of the creator, and the universal oneness.

I dont think there is such thing as "True Evil", nor do I believe in a literal "devil" per se, but a cosmic antagonism that unfolds in war and agitation as the energy behind movement.

It's also debatable to consider that every religion might be worshipping the same "source". Even some polytheistic branches such as the anthropomorphic deities of Hinduism or Yoruba for example, are manifestations and different aspects/forms of One "God" Brahma, Olorun, Nzambi, World Soul etc.

But I dont understand your point in how there being "One God" "One Religion" must rule out Reincarnation or Spirit beings in general.

If you can elaborate.

[Karas]

Sorry if I sounded harsh x_x was listing to nightwish at the time when I wrote all that =p 

I'm a Jedi >_> I added Jediism and abrahamic together. Still same concept though which is to surrender to the force and it will guide you. 

The abrahamic is the only groups that keeps on the path of what God wants And what he doesn't want. Think of it as a universal law for mankind. But we also have human laws set by men and theses groups are distroying the universal laws set by it's creator.

If God says not to eat pork, he really means it. When he says not to contact spirits, he really means it.

 "But they did not pay attention and were as stubborn as their ancestors, who had not trusted the Lord their God. They rejected his rules, the covenant he had made with their ancestors, and the laws he had commanded them to obey. They paid allegiance to worthless idols, and so became worthless to the Lord. They copied the practices of the surrounding nations in blatant disregard of the Lord's command." (2 Kings 17:14, 15)

Lol.. As some of you can see, I have changed alot ^^; my trust Is in scriptures now since they were sent down by the creator. As time goes by the scriptures evolved and you start to notised contradictions in what God wants. For sample God says no pork while Paul in the same book says pork is ok. Or God says not to join in worldy festivals where as Paul says it's ok.

Since my world view has changed so much I can see I'm not fit for this forum anymore. Mind you I'm much better now then I was back then lol I was so stuck into conspiracys and aliens and things that we can't even do <_<  

     
   

[rezaf]

I think it would be a better discussion if we compared what we have heard from guides or other astral beings by ourselves.

[Killa Rican]

Sorry if I sounded harsh x_x was listing to nightwish at the time when I wrote all that =p

I'm a Jedi >_> I added Jediism and abrahamic together. Still same concept though which is to surrender to the force and it will guide you.

The abrahamic is the only groups that keeps on the path of what God wants And what he doesn't want. Think of it as a universal law for mankind. But we also have human laws set by men and theses groups are distroying the universal laws set by it's creator.

If God says not to eat pork, he really means it. When he says not to contact spirits, he really means it.

"But they did not pay attention and were as stubborn as their ancestors, who had not trusted the Lord their God. They rejected his rules, the covenant he had made with their ancestors, and the laws he had commanded them to obey. They paid allegiance to worthless idols, and so became worthless to the Lord. They copied the practices of the surrounding nations in blatant disregard of the Lord's command." (2 Kings 17:14, 15)

Lol.. As some of you can see, I have changed alot ^^; my trust Is in scriptures now since they were sent down by the creator. As time goes by the scriptures evolved and you start to notised contradictions in what God wants. For sample God says no pork while Paul in the same book says pork is ok. Or God says not to join in worldy festivals where as Paul says it's ok.

Since my world view has changed so much I can see I'm not fit for this forum anymore. Mind you I'm much better now then I was back then lol I was so stuck into conspiracys and aliens and things that we can't even do <_<  

   
 

You didnt sound harsh. I enjoy deep thought provoking discussions, even if views conflict, it's good for all of us to learn something from each other. I think it's good that scripture has changed your life in a very positive way, I mean it. But I also think religion in general are pieces to the puzzle, while we are left to fill in the missing links, but I dont think it's a direct translation to the puzzle being complete.

Nevermind being 'fit' for a forum, what would a forum be for if it werent to share and divulge in ideas & experiences?  

I think it would be a better discussion if we compared what we have heard from guides or other astral beings by ourselves.

I'll chip in.

Yeah I had a "Guide". Not so much a "guide" as she was my best friend, a Non-Human entity. She would keep me up all night as we discussed the nature of the universe. She had her own views that conflicted with mine. When it came to religion, there are some beings that have their own religions, while some mimicked and/or follow mans religions. There are some that come to humans that put up a "front", making claims of things that which they really arent just so they can be worshipped. Others are Non-Believers.

Even though she resided in the Other World, She Believed in a Higher Power, but wasnt sure there really was a "God" or not. That blew my mind. Conversations and channelings to her, has changed my outlook on things profoundly and dramatically.

So from this standpoint my suspicioun is that these entities, along with ourselves, and all other entities out there in the universe physical and non-physical alike were created by the same greater power. In other words instead of saying that all the planets revolve around us I'm saying that we are one of them many planets revolving around the same star...

[Karas]

Even though she resided in the Other World, She Believed in a Higher Power, but wasnt sure there really was a "God" or not. That blew my mind. Conversations and channelings to her, has changed my outlook on things profoundly and dramatically.

is she a jinn? It says in the Quran that there's another race called jinn's and they are made of fire as we are made of clay. Jinn's also have free wills and have there own beliefs and stuff.

[Killa Rican]

is she a jinn? It says in the Quran that there's another race called jinn's and they are made of fire as we are made of clay. Jinn's also have free wills and have there own beliefs and stuff.

Some would call her a jinn. Some would call her a Nature Spirit. Some would call her an Infernal.

I think alot of the beings encountered through multiple cultures are really the same beings synchronized with one another.(If they share characteristics and traits)

Whatever one chooses to call them. I have had personal evidence she was of the "jinn" variety.

[rezaf]

What did she look like? I have had many experiences with a race of jinn. I actually asked them and they confirmed it. The special thing about them is that they only have one eye.

[Killa Rican]

What did she look like? I have had many experiences with a race of jinn. I actually asked them and they confirmed it. The special thing about them is that they only have one eye.

Jinns have to be the most controversial classifcation of entity lol. As they are natural shapeshifters in their world, and when they manifest in our world, they have to abide by our universe's natural laws.

Well. It gets tricky. All the mediums and clairvoyants I bumped into, saw her attached to me , and they all described the same being. Well besides different people calling her Jinn, Nature Spirit, Infernal, Demonic, Lost Soul Etc. to fit their own spiritual frames, they all described An Indegnious native tribal looking human woman, but they knew she wasnt really human, but rather the form she was showing them.

I have seen her as a Tribal Native woman most of the time as well, other times I seen her in an otherwordly way. She was very spectral.

Her non-human look, Scantily dressed in leather and bones, Silverish/grey skinned humanoid figure, long black hair, canine looking teeth/fangs, deep almond black eyes. Claws, talons, wings, tail.  

As for the Religion part, she had her own beliefs and was a practitioner of her own spirituality which was form of Shamanism, which is why the native look was always her preferred form towards others.

[Karas]

I would love to get meet a jinn and learn there history and culture.
From what we see here with your friend is that she has her own beliefs and view of the world. Doesn't that show that they only know little about the nature of our universe? They were once mistaken as gods in the past and were being worshipped by humans. I believe this was in noah's days the "sons of God" were infect jinn's. Reason why I think there are jinns is cause no angels are called "son of God"

Hebrews 1:
5 For to what angel did God ever say, "Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"?
6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."

Only humans were called "son of God" but in noah's days theses beings created super human offspring because they mixed there seed with the humans and we both know that spirits can't have sex because they are like ghost.

Hence only Jinn's and humans have free wills. 

[Killa Rican]

I would love to get meet a jinn and learn there history and culture.
From what we see here with your friend is that she has her own beliefs and view of the world. Doesn't that show that they only know little about the nature of our universe? They were once mistaken as gods in the past and were being worshipped by humans.

Precisely why when I make posts, I try to do so from the standpoint of not sticking to a human perspective. I've already gotten an intense glimpse of what it's like to Not be human in a sense, as 'crazy' as writing that statement down sounds. Which is the reason why I try to eliminate my Human Ego getting in the way from clouding or influencing my grander visions. As long as I stay grounded, I really dont care if I sound like a nutjob in the process lol.

All things considered with my Spirit Friend, I wont claim to know if there is a God or not(She doesnt know either), nor do I know where we go when we die, but my experiences with her allowed me to get a better grasp of how things work in general, from both sides, both worlds really. The only problem lies is that it is difficult to convey in words, and in a way that would be permissisable to move past people's personal biases and spiritual/religious frames.


I believe all beings should be judged on merit, and merit alone. Not religious affiliation, personal bias, Prejudice , Ego etc.

Anyways, concerning religion, I dont think scripture holds a direct translation to truth.

Even in my Tradition, I'm not entirely Confident The Orishas are who they claim to be. I'm open to it, but still cautious and suspicious of it. But even they(The deity's) have their own destiny's as well as guardian angels. They are also aware, and speak about other beings from other religions via Divination or Possession so casually. They all seem to know each other so well...

I do wonder, "How deep does the rabbit hole go?"

[dreamingod]

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Organised religion & their texts contain elements of truth.
The perceiver of words will interpret it and comprehend these according to his/her existing belief systems, experiences and consciousness development.

Being a former Christian, you get programmed from the cradle by your parents, the Institution/Church, the repetitive songs,
their interpretation of the bible, guilt and shame programming eg. confession, you are a sinner, peer pressure.

To break out of mass hypnosis:
Question everything, every theory and belief systems. Investigate!
THINK FOR YOURSELF. Investigate!


The Bible is not literal, and is allegorical.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1)
Seek first the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33)
the kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:21)
The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light (Luke 11:34 Matthew 6:22)
God is light (1 John 1:5)

The biggest secret is:
There is only Light of Mind, all else is an illusion.
Meditate, go within to seek the truth.

The idea of the "God" supreme being, separate from created beings is a false belief pushed by governments and
organised religion for political power and control.

There is only God, the ONE Universal Light of Mind (Word) that is within you.
Meditate to discover and know this truth.
Everything you perceive and experience are effects of mind, reflections of mind, perceptual illusions
which arise from the desires and attachments of mind, the ego self.

Good and evil, angel and devil are expressions, personifications within the ONE universal Light of Mind.

To define ideas, polarity is needed.
Hot and cold, left and right, light and dark, are all ideas which require both reference points to give con-cepts meaning.


There was no God - There was no Creation
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