Colorado shooting had me thinking again

[Fresco]

We unfortunately had another shooting this week in a Colorado movie theatre.

I always wondered, after the Columbine shooting, what would happen to the 2 kids that did the shooting after they died from suicide (Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold). Would they wind up in a lower astral plane then the kids they killed??  Or would they all wind up on the same plane together??

And what would their karmic debt be?? Would they have to reincarnate?? 

Any opinions??

[mcdwg]

We unfortunately had another shooting this week in a Colorado movie theatre.

I always wondered, after the Columbine shooting, what would happen to the 2 kids that did the shooting after they died from suicide (Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold). Would they wind up in a lower astral plane then the kids they killed??  Or would they all wind up on the same plane together??

And what would their karmic debt be?? Would they have to reincarnate?? 

Any opinions??

This is my opinion and I may be way wrong but from what I've read, experienced.  The Columbine killers may have thought they were going to hell and didn't care or they may have been atheist thinking nothing happens after death and according to their frame of beliefs and emotions they may have wound up in a place according to those beliefs.  Maybe they're in a hellish place created by them or in a place with nothing around since they may have been atheist.

As far as karma goes, I personally do not believe in it, to my understanding all personalities having experiences by the higher self are happening all at once since time does not exist beyond this existence.

Something else hard to imagine and even I am having a hard time trying to beleive is that when the killer murdered all those people, all parties involved had an understanding of what would happen and all agreed to it through their higher selves; the analogy always used is that the movie was already in place with all the actors knowing what to do.  Was this tragedy for something significant to come out of it, some sort of learning.  Did these souls including the killer sacrificed themselves to teach something, who knows?

My two cents

[Fresco]

^^^^  I've heard that theory before, mcdwg.  But I have  hard time accepting that because it implies that your whole life was already preplanned, and that doesnt leave much room for "freedom of will". 

How can I have freedom of will when my life as a serial killer was preplanned??

[mcdwg]

^^^^  I've heard that theory before, mcdwg.  But I have  hard time accepting that because it implies that your whole life was already preplanned, and that doesnt leave much room for "freedom of will". 

How can I have freedom of will when my life as a serial killer was preplanned??

Well here's something even crazier with free will.  Another theory is that whatever happens in our existence is one of many possibilities that could happen according to our thoughts and emotions and we choose thet one that becomes reality so in essence we do exercise free will by choosing what we are experiencing out of many possible outcomes

[Fresco]

Well here's something even crazier with free will.  Another theory is that whatever happens in our existence is one of many possibilities that could happen according to our thoughts and emotions and we choose thet one that becomes reality so in essence we do exercise free will by choosing what we are experiencing out of many possible outcomes

Thats to me sounds like a better theory

[catmeow]

I've heard the same theory mcdwg. It comes up a lot in NDE accounts. It's the idea that we all enter into A "soul contract" (with our higher selves?) before we incarnate. We agree to certain life experiences, both good and bad, before we incarnate. Some of us agree to the experience of being killed SO THAT someone else can have the experience of killing.

Now I find it hard to get my head round this idea, but then the universe is complicated. What I don't understand, is what all those starving dying third world kids get out of their short lives? It really is hard to fathom.

Regarding pre destiny ruling out free will, well I'm stumped on that one... but I kinda lean to the multiple possible futures, which we navigate using free will.

[mcdwg]

I've heard the same theory mcdwg. It comes up a lot in NDE accounts. It's the idea that we all enter into A "soul contract" (with our higher selves?) before we incarnate. We agree to certain life experiences, both good and bad, before we incarnate. Some of us agree to the experience of being killed SO THAT someone else can have the experience of killing.

Now I find it hard to get my head round this idea, but then the universe is complicated. What I don't understand, is what all those starving dying third world kids get out of their short lives? It really is hard to fathom.

Regarding pre destiny ruling out free will, well I'm stumped on that one... but I kinda lean to the multiple possible futures, which we navigate using free will.

It is very hard to fathom why someone would want to be a starving kid, a paralyzed individual but again beyond this existence we supposedly have no limitations, there is no hunger, no cold, no heat so a starving child, a paralyzed person, a millionaire, a genious are just experiences that can't happen beyond our existence, they say our existence here on earth is just a spec within the universe but yet gives us so much to learn from, all are just experiences that just add to the higher self knowledge.  I guess it's like saying I will climb mount everest, why would someone want to do that when the possibility of dying is so high, well I would think is for those individuals to say "I did it" I conquered it.  I don't know maybe having experiences as a limited individual such as with an illness, or no money or a millionaire with fear of losing it is just a way of adding to the knowledge of the higher self.  Just experiences.

[mcdwg]

I've heard the same theory mcdwg. It comes up a lot in NDE accounts. It's the idea that we all enter into A "soul contract" (with our higher selves?) before we incarnate. We agree to certain life experiences, both good and bad, before we incarnate. Some of us agree to the experience of being killed SO THAT someone else can have the experience of killing.

Now I find it hard to get my head round this idea, but then the universe is complicated. What I don't understand, is what all those starving dying third world kids get out of their short lives? It really is hard to fathom.

Regarding pre destiny ruling out free will, well I'm stumped on that one... but I kinda lean to the multiple possible futures, which we navigate using free will.

[Fresco]

What I don't understand, is what all those starving dying third world kids get out of their short lives? It really is hard to fathom

Ive been to 70+ countries around the world, and I can honestly tell you the "starving 3rd world child" scenario is grossly exaggerated.  Yes there are many starving kids (and people) in the world, but the vast majority are eating OK.  I was in El Salvador during the 90's staying on a farm for 3 days near Suchitoto, and I noticed the farmers were all eating organic food grown on their own land. 

I thought to myself, heck these people are eating healthier then I am...LOL

[mcdwg]

Ive been to 70+ countries around the world, and I can honestly tell you the "starving 3rd world child" scenario is grossly exaggerated.  Yes there are many starving kids (and people) in the world, but the vast majority are eating OK.  I was in El Salvador during the 90's staying on a farm for 3 days near Suchitoto, and I noticed the farmers were all eating organic food grown on their own land. 

I thought to myself, heck these people are eating healthier then I am...LOL

It's all about perception, what we see in the media, what we get fed in the media.  In fact I was born in El salvador and I can honestly say i had a happy childhood growing up during the civil war, we had no refrigerator, no fancy toys, but we were happy.  Perception.  All experiences have good things and bad things depending on the observer and environment, in the end just an experience.

[Lionheart]

 The constant media "grandstanding" is what creates "Copycats". One Copycat has already been apprehended. 

[mon9999]

The universe is a university.. 

[Fresco]

It's all about perception, what we see in the media, what we get fed in the media.  In fact I was born in El salvador and I can honestly say i had a happy childhood growing up during the civil war, we had no refrigerator, no fancy toys, but we were happy.  Perception.  All experiences have good things and bad things depending on the observer and environment, in the end just an experience.

Exactly, and I know lots of rich kids who grew up unhappy.  Its all relative. And you are right, the media greatly distorts things.  Africa is not nearly  as poor or underfed as they portray it to be

[Xanth]

The universe is a university.. 

Try kindergarten, and you're probably closer to the truth. 

[Killa Rican]

^ good one   

[AstralCody]

I live very close to where this happened.

@lionheart- Couldn't agree more.

[Fresco]

Try kindergarten, and you're probably closer to the truth. 

So true

[Taz]

Well here's something even crazier with free will.  Another theory is that whatever happens in our existence is one of many possibilities that could happen according to our thoughts and emotions and we choose thet one that becomes reality so in essence we do exercise free will by choosing what we are experiencing out of many possible outcomes

i absolutely agree with you on this one, mcdwg. in fact, here's another analogy that i came up with - you go to a grocery store, and on the shelves are every item you can imagine. the products (possibilities that could happen) are already in place and there for the choosing... whatever we end up with (possible outcome) is decided by our own free will (somewhat anyway, barring all the influences we get through the media). this now becomes the outcome we experience, as in your post.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I'll second the store scene. You may buy various items and each has its use per se. You could also use them for different things (not intended use) also true. Ie butter to remove a ring off your finger.
However with the knowledge you can EASILY make explosives from a grocers itenary. This has a totally negative aspect to it. The title of this thread now applies!

[Lionheart]

The constant media "grandstanding" is what creates "Copycats". One Copycat has already been apprehended. 

It looks like someone else agrees this. Kudos to the Author for bringing this point to bear. http://news.yahoo.com/y--big-story--how-the-media-should-cover-mass-shootings--and-why-it-can-t.html

[LightBeam]

What I don't understand, is what all those starving dying third world kids get out of their short lives? It really is hard to fathom.

I think sometimes spirits enter realities for short times, just to assist other spirits and create scenarios for them. From the above example, it was the parents or those involved, who needed to experience the challenge of loosing a young child.
Same applies for spirits who choose to enter for the purpose of teaching others, or present their knowledge. They don't necessarily need to learn.