Scared to Astal Project, but still want to, think I almost did, help please?

[frenchs105]

so last week i read a bunch of stuff about Astral Projection and have been wanting to do it. I do have sleep paralysis a lot but not as much as i used too. Last year i had sleep paralysis at least 2 times a week with my old job, i just thought it prob came form not enough sleep. Anyways so about an hour ago i was tired and took a nap and i dreamed about going to a high school reunion and seeing everybody from high school (im 22) and for some reason a few of us were wearing life jackets and i put my on and it was big on me and then i kept floating off the ground and then back down a few times and then went higher and there was a giant wall and i grabbed onto the wall at the top and kept trying to keep myslef against the wall at the top cause i kept trying to float away and i screamed for everybody to show them what was happening but its like nobody heard me, i was doing that for a little bit and then i took the life jacket off, it was hard to get off and i was just holding myself at the top of the wall so i wouldnt fall and i was stuck there and then i realized.....

hey im dreaming yeh im dreaming this is a dream and i was like that means cant i control it like lucid dream, so i looked to my right and imagined a pole on the wall to slide down on and it jsut appeared! and ive never done this before and so i got on it and slid down it to the ground and its like i could make decisions on what i wanted to do and then i thought about astral projection and remembered things i read about online and tried to look at the palm of my hands like something online told me to do but i think that actually has to do with lucid dreaming idk,

but its like i couldnt and i couldnt see any hands when i did and i kept trying and trying and then i could see them! but the opacity was very very low. and then i looked up and when i was starting to look up its like i tried opening my eyes and i started to but it was different, like i new i still wasent awake but i opened my eyes halfway i could see my blanket that i was curled up against while sleeping and i wanted to keep opening my eyes and try getting out but then i freaked out and got scared cause i thought i might see some scary things cause i hated sleep paralysis and thought i might see the same images so i closed back my eyes and wiggled my toes and shook my head real fast and i just woke myself up, it was crazyy! so was i boutto astro project if i kept going? on my first try? and i cant believe i controled my dream on my first try, thats lucid dreaming right? any tips and advice so i can get out my body and to make my fears go away so i dont freak out n back out when im bout to?

[Made O pHI]

Congrats to you with this experience.

A tip, sleep paralysis isn't required to have an OBE so I wouldn't focus on it to much. It might actually hold you back from achieving one if you focus on it to much. And as for the fear, there is nothing to fear  As you see you control your dreams, you control your OBEs. If you see something scary, take it on with courage and love. You'll feel a lot better after you take it on then if you just run in fear. The worst that can happen ? You wake up in amazement in your physical body at what just happened and what you saw. 

and i cant believe i controlled my dream on my first try, thats lucid dreaming right

You were lucid dreaming from the start, once you realized you were dreaming. You don't have to control the dream in order for it to be considered a lucid dream.

[Bedeekin]

You were probably having sleep paralysis because you were taking naps in the evening before going to bed on a night. Maybe you were falling asleep in from of the tv... or on the drive home... or the bus...

Basically you were napping because you were tired... you were experiencing SP because you were napping.

If you want to recreate SP... then nap after a hard day at work... then induce SP that night.

[frenchs105]

okay well it seemed reallyyyyy hard to look at my hands, what can i do to make it easier to see my hands, and idk if it was relaly fun, it freaked me out but cool at the same time, and if i feel my eyes opening like that again then just open them all the way n just see if i can roll out of my body?? and to get back do i just lay down back on me or something? haha and like when i do it i can literally just walk outside my house n go where ever i want? does it feel like really real and stuff when its happening? i guess something else that scares me besides seeing scary things is that i wont be able to get back in my body which means i wouldnt wake up and then be like in a coma or something n just be stuck in this astral place. also is the time frame different? lets say im in astral place for 1 hour then would i only be sleeping for like 5 mins or actually an hour, how does that work?

[Bedeekin]

Half your battle will be trying to stay out... not get back in.

Yes you may see frightening things. But this only strengthens you... you will be overcoming the fear. Fear of the unknown is to be conquered.

You don't need to lay down to get back. You will most probably find yourself moving from the nonphysical state to your physical state.

If you are in Sleep Paralysis... don't open your eyes.. and don't be too concerned that you can't see your hands this isn't important. Mine are semi invisible and are what can be described as only visible if I move them... like they create a drop shadow.

But this is during SP... not the actual perceived OOBE. One thing you should note is that the moment you flip into SP you are nonphysical. There is no need to float out... we do because we feel that is the only logical approach and it makes sense.

Think of yourself as always being nonphysical and all you are doing is focusing on that aspect of reality.

As soon as SP hits you... make an effort to move. Don't think about it... just do it. Don't think about how it should feel. Just do it. Try to be swift and try not to think too much.

This is part of the problem that confronts beginners. They pour over descriptions about what they should feel and what to expect... noticing every single subtle twitch and buzz in their bodies... they end up focusing on specifics that really mean bugger all in the long run.

When SP begins make every effort to be not physical.

[frenchs105]

thank you i will def try, i get SP really easily, i always thought it came from lack of sleep, so i need to get to SP before i can AP? and once i know im in SP which i always know when i am then try and AP??

[Made O pHI]

Basically you were napping because you were tired... you were experiencing SP because you were napping.

I take a nap just about every day during the afternoon/evening.
I never experience sleep paralysis ?

so i need to get to SP before i can AP?

Nooooo, SP is NOT a requirement for AP.

On this post, http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/good_spiritualpersonal_growth_books-t37826.0.html;msg310487#msg310487
Szaxx offers a book called "Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce"
Teaches you all about AP and OBE, I'd recommend donwloading the PDF for free and reading it.

[Bedeekin]

"I take a nap just about every day during the afternoon/evening.
I never experience sleep paralysis ?"

is that a question? Maybe now you will because you have been told about it. Paerhaps you nap too early or late for your metabolism. Perhaps you smoke weed or drink.

"Nooooo, SP is NOT a requirement for AP."

It isn't a requirement... but its a damn sure and fine way to get into a deep state and rich OOBE... and some people prefer it. Made O pHI here seems to be half way there with his ability to have SP... you are just confusing things.

Also... it won't hold anyone back from achieving AP/OOB/LD/AI whatever you want to call it, if they know how to do it... and I know how to teach it so it works.

I think that if someone is wishing to experience OOBEs with SP... they should be taught it and those that can offer that service be allowed to. Those who hate SP or can't achieve it because of lifestyle... then there are other ways.

I could say... 'Don't focus on phasing too much because you can achieve the same thing using SP'

[personalreality]

Someone recently asked about protection for projection.

The answer is simple.

Why the hell would I need protection?

Done, protected.  Get it?

The only thing that you have to fear are the dark recesses of your own mind that you're unwilling to confront.  But they can't hurt you, it is you.  You'll never get trapped outside of your body because you don't leave your body.  You're never in your body.  You are always everywhere.  Astral Projection is simply changing the angle of your perception and view the world in a different way.  Your consciousness is infinite in that regard, and undertaking Astral Projection is simply deciding to look around instead of focusing only on your physical life.

[Lionheart]

 Check out this video,  it may help you should help you confront your fears. The part you want to watch starts at the 1:00:00 mark and goes for 7 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRar8IOwic8&feature=BFa&list=PLEB923BB17E5849A3&lf=plpp_video
Good Luck and Safe Travels! 

[frenchs105]

so when im having sleep paralysis and i can see everything in my room or wherever i fell asleep at, is that my third eye or w/e? can i achieve AP from there? cause when thats happening n i try to move my arm or body i cant and of course i see shadow people or something and hear voices, i actually work at a jail and passed out for like 2 mins since i work night shift and i could see everything around me and there was nobody but i could hear like 50 ppl were laughing and like it was at me n then i woke myself up. i have SP a lot n kinda learned how to get to that state n know how to wake myself up now. When i see these shadow ppl (more like 5 shadow masses of big black fog all around my room, do i just say to myself your not real, go away? and it will go way? and then how would i i go about getting out of my body from their since i can already see everything around me? cause i know ive tried moving my body or arms or something but cant.

[frenchs105]

sry if i double post, another reason why im so scared to get out of my body or to do this is not just cause the shadow ppl and  voices i hear but a year ago idk if i experianced a hallucination or ghost or SP or what but it freaks me out.....i fell asleep on a couch laying down on my left side with my head flat on a pillow, i woke up sometime and realized i was sitting 90 degrees straight up with my back against the armrest with some kind a light weight on my head and could see the living room in front of me but fell back asleep in like 5 seconds but then i woke up later at 5am in the same position and looked around with my eyes and stil felt there weight on my head, i reached up with my right hand and tocuh it and it was soft but hard but clamy and i felt down more towards my forehead and it split 2 ways went down one way and it was skinny, i kinda grabbed it with my fingers n then went overnd felt another skiny thing and grabbed it and realized it was a HAND!! and i immediatly jumped up  to hte otehr side of the couch adn looked bak but nothing was their and it was reallyyy dark, took me forever to go back to sleep. next morning i asked the landlord if anybody has ever died here before (i was stayin at somebodys elses condo so it was like a huge hotel kinda place) and he said well actually around 8pm the night befoer an old lady died a few condos down on the same floor!! and i rememebr seeing ambulances  outside the night before. so idk if that was a ghost or my imagination but seeing all these things scare the mess out of me. i really dont want them to be there when i open my eyes to astro project.

[Lionheart]

so when im having sleep paralysis and i can see everything in my room or wherever i fell asleep at, is that my third eye or w/e? can i achieve AP from there? cause when thats happening n i try to move my arm or body i cant and of course i see shadow people or something and hear voices, i actually work at a jail and passed out for like 2 mins since i work night shift and i could see everything around me and there was nobody but i could hear like 50 ppl were laughing and like it was at me n then i woke myself up.

If you are at the point where you can see things through your closed eyes, then you are already in the non physical. All you have to do now is create an intent because Thought=Action. Create your personal safe zone and you will see that the "smog people" will go away, unless of course they have a message for you and only you can find that out by asking them.

[frenchs105]

create my personal safe zone? like imagine this is my safe zone and u cant come this close?

[Lionheart]

 Pretty much so, I have created a tranquil beach scene that I can return to if I feel things are getting a bit too weird for me. But, I could also just wake up! 

[Made O pHI]

Also... it won't hold anyone back from achieving AP/OOB/LD/AI whatever you want to call it, if they know how to do it... and I know how to teach it so it works.

So then please make a post on your teachings.
I'd love to be able to induce SP and I'm sure everyone else here that doesn't know how to would too.

[Lionheart]

 When you go to sleep, you cease to move. Your brain shuts down your system all except for your vitals, as in your breathing, heart, brain. For more of a Scientific description check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis . People that can maintain a mind awake/body asleep can also create this state. The more you practice getting into this state the deeper the Sleep Paralysis will be. Some people enter this state in minutes. It all depends on how fast you can release your physical focus. Mary Jo, my better half, doesn't AP, she doesn't even remember any of her dreams, but when she lays down to sleep, she is gone in seconds. Sometimes I am jealous of this because ever since I have been attempting to consciously reach the Larger Reality, I have lost my ability to just lie down and be asleep quickly. It usually takes me 20-30 minutes to fall asleep every night.

[Stookie_]

I think SP is overblown... it's not necessary to AP. I've only experienced it once, maybe twice, and it was returning from a projection. But if I want to physically move, I can, though when I'm trying to AP, I'm not thinking about my body or trying to move it. SP never comes into the equation.

CFTraveler said several times that SP tends to happen more often in the process of waking up than falling asleep, and can even indicate that your experience is already over and you missed it.

I know other people report AP's in relation to SP, but they are almost always spontaneous, not during an attempt. And a lot of other people call some states SP that clearly aren't SP.

My 2 cents.

[Made O pHI]

I think SP is overblown... it's not necessary to AP. I've only experienced it once, maybe twice, and it was returning from a projection. But if I want to physically move, I can, though when I'm trying to AP, I'm not thinking about my body or trying to move it. SP never comes into the equation.

CFTraveler said several times that SP tends to happen more often in the process of waking up than falling asleep, and can even indicate that your experience is already over and you missed it.

I know other people report AP's in relation to SP, but they are almost always spontaneous, not during an attempt. And a lot of other people call some states SP that clearly aren't SP.

My 2 cents.

"Your making things "confusing", just as I was told." Lolol 

But please do still make that post Bedeekin, I'd still enjoy having the ability.

[Bedeekin]

I think SP is overblown... it's not necessary to AP. I've only experienced it once, maybe twice, and it was returning from a projection. But if I want to physically move, I can, though when I'm trying to AP, I'm not thinking about my body or trying to move it. SP never comes into the equation.

CFTraveler said several times that SP tends to happen more often in the process of waking up than falling asleep, and can even indicate that your experience is already over and you missed it.

I know other people report AP's in relation to SP, but they are almost always spontaneous, not during an attempt. And a lot of other people call some states SP that clearly aren't SP.

My 2 cents.

You can have the 2 cents back. 

Although I agree with your last comment. A lot of people think they are experiencing SP but they aren't.

I have found that spontaneous OOBEs are without SP... personally and anecdotally.

Again though... those that do use sleep paralysis do. I do... and I've had thousands... with... without... after... before... through Phasing... dream entry.. I just personally find it can be used to plunge one into deeper and different experiences and realities. But that's a different post.

Made O pHI

What are your sleep patterns? Do you work... go to school... are you a 'night owl'... an early riser... do you sleep in till after the morning?

[Made O pHI]

Made O pHI

What are your sleep patterns? Do you work... go to school... are you a 'night owl'... an early riser... do you sleep in till after the morning?

I go to sleep anytime from around 1am - 2am the latest. (unless i cant sleep in which ill lye in my bed for about an hour or so listening to the mental chatter, but that's normally when I try to lay down around 12:30am) Wake up around 10-10:30am, 11 the latest and sometimes earlier. I'll take a nap anytime through out the day, most of the time I try to take one between the times of 1 and 3pm or sometimes around 5. I don't work but I'm going to be starting college this fall.

[Bedeekin]

Cool...

You have a regular-ish sleep pattern.

Try this...

Get up earlier than you normally do... about an hour or less... just to give you the edge on feeling tired in the evening.

Don't nap until the evening. Don't even have a tiny shut eye... until the evening. Maybe... 8 or 9pm (this can be adjusted to suite you when you get the hang of it.)

The nap you are looking for is the type you fall into when you have eaten and settled down to watch tv or a film... or when you are on a long journey in a car. That "I just gotta shut my eyes for a bit" type feeling.

It should be a short nap and one that knocks you out for at least half an hour... don't worry about the time. As long as you don't fall into a proper sleep. also... if you wake up... don't roll over and go back to sleep.

When you wake up... just get up and wait till your normal time to go to bed...

That is when you attempt to induce an OOBE.

You can use any method you have tried before to induce... although the listening method or mantra method seems the better one to use. This is the bit that works differently for different people. The mechanism is exactly the same for all... a pre sleep is needed.

This is a very simple version of the method... without to many sticky details.

See if it works.

Don't try once and say "not working". Give it a few goes before we try a different nap time... it should work first time around.

Don't alter what I've told you because YOU think it would work your way... like... don't decide that you think it would be better and more suiting for you to have the nap at 5.

So...

Wake up earlier than usual

have the all important non-forced nap in the evening between 8 and 9pm

Induce your OOBE at 1am.

[Made O pHI]

Alright thanks, I'll try this out beginning tomorrow morning and let you know how it goes. I'm pretty confident I'll get some kind of results

[frenchs105]

thank yall sooooo much for all the advice!! very very helpful  another thing is ive been wondering aobut these vibrations everyone is talking about and i actually think i had them the other day, does this sound like the vibrations i need to feel for it? i work 7pm-7am and it was around 4 am and i started to nod off at work and kept trying not to fall asleep and i think i passed out for like 30 seconds to a minute and woke myself back up really quickly and for about 2 minutes i felt this crazyy vibrations going thorugh my whole body and at the same time it felt like my heart was beating like 100 times a minute like it was about to pund out of my chest. is that the vibrations i need to feel when im trying to have a OBE? Also, when im in an OBE can i make things appear that i want like in a Lucid dream? or even a person that i want to appear?

[Bedeekin]

Sounds like it to me.