Second Life, Facebook and the fractal, digital nature of the LCS.

[Bedeekin]

This should be a MBT forum thing but to tell you the truth... I would need to drum up the confidence to put it there. I'm also not sure whether this will be a rambling post or amazingly concise. let's see...

I was thinking... at how similar Second Life is to the nonphysical. It's obvious why.

Ive started becoming more active online recently due to certain reasons. As I was putting together two art blogs this morning, I realised how we seem to be totally comfortable maintaining many personal profiles on websites... multi tasking our selves... fragmenting ourselves to achieve a wider set of choices.

It's as if we are following the traits of a certain individuated consciousness system... a single consciousness, that to evolve has split itself...  hang on a second!!!

Is our modern obsession of social networking and the ease at which we feel it natural(ish) a fractal knock on effect of being at our deep core nature a fractal of a single consciousness?

We are still locked as a whole... based upon physical reality laws in the animalistic tribe mentality. But we crave individuality... to be different than everyone else... but to belong and be understood. collective.... singular...  yearning for individuality yet wanting to belong to a whole or a tribe.

The internet has promoted a very suitable way of being for the evolving human... much closer to the LCS we are fractals of.

What doth thou thinkest?

[Xanth]

I think having technological discoveries is the LCS's answer to being able to allow us to do those things we do in the non-physical.

The question I've always had is... do we discover technologies because that's just what's supposed to happen.  Or, do we discover technologies because the LCS deems our reality to support that 'ability'.

Everyone wants to fly... move fast... talk to each other over great distances... be connected/feel connected to the rest of humanity... etc...
So we've created planes to fly us in... cars to move around fast... phones to talk over great distance... and social media to feel connected...

Sorry if that's not what you were getting at, it's just a thought I had a while back but never shared.

[Bedeekin]

Yeah... it is.

Is it an unforeseen trait passed on down the ladder and so a free will learning curve or is it for the entertainment of the LCS.

So are all these things we love to do a result of a fractal trait. Even looking to the stars... wanting to be entertained and removed from reality.

[Lionheart]

 My personal view is that the downside to all of these things is you have given your identity, per say, to all that wish to utilize it for whatever reasons they may have, be it marketing or other. I have a computer now and that's it, no Facebook, no Cellphone and I live in Freedom. My life is not stressed out at all, but the people I see on these devices definitely are. I was at a Music Festival just recently where people were coming into my tent, because it was quieter than outside, just to finish closing that deal or some other office related thing. They can't even put it down to enjoy life anymore. I asked one guy, wouldn't you just like to "punt" that thing, talking about his I-Phone or whatever the thing was. He looked at me like I was crazy. He was in his late 40"s and I asked if he was in business for a long time. He said he has been in business most of his life. I then asked him how he ever got along without that thing, he turned around and left my tent, lol. I guess the truth hurts! 

[Bedeekin]

Maybe That is the 'accidental' part of the trait and is ultimately going to be a learning curve.

Maybe we are dealing in something that is too close to home.

Or it could be that its more along Xanth's idea... but that it is a test... to see if we as a whole could cope with a mass paradigm awakening.

Facebook is the root of all evil though. I'm going through a renaissance period at the moment with it. I'm using it... rather than letting it use me.

[Xanth]

Maybe That is the 'accidental' part of the trait and is ultimately going to be a learning curve.

Maybe we are dealing in something that is too close to home.

Or it could be that its more along Xanth's idea... but that it is a test... to see if we as a whole could cope with a mass paradigm awakening.

Facebook is the root of all evil though. I'm going through a renaissance period at the moment with it. I'm using it... rather than letting it use me.

Yeah, I've been much more active on facebook lately... more than I ever thought I'd be.

I contemplated deleting my account and removing myself, but I'm honestly having a lot of fun connecting with other people through the Astral Projectors and My Big TOE groups... along with providing people with content from my own website.

[Bedeekin]

I thought this... then I decided to step back in. More confident. I've probably had a word with my subconscious again.

[Stookie_]

My personal view is that the downside to all of these things is you have given your identity, per say, to all that wish to utilize it for whatever reasons they may have, be it marketing or other. I have a computer now and that's it, no Facebook, no Cellphone and I live in Freedom. My life is not stressed out at all, but the people I see on these devices definitely are. I was at a Music Festival just recently where people were coming into my tent, because it was quieter than outside, just to finish closing that deal or some other office related thing. They can't even put it down to enjoy life anymore. I asked one guy, wouldn't you just like to "punt" that thing, talking about his I-Phone or whatever the thing was. He looked at me like I was crazy. He was in his late 40"s and I asked if he was in business for a long time. He said he has been in business most of his life. I then asked him how he ever got along without that thing, he turned around and left my tent, lol. I guess the truth hurts! 

I agree with this. Social networking and smart phones are for the most part turning humans into retarded robots. I see everyone with their phone in their hand and always looking at it. And when you don't look at it, you're looking at a computer screen or a TV. Modern culture has gotten to where we feel we always have to be either watching something or doing something. I'm not sure people can sit still long enough to watch an entire sunset. And if they do, they take pictures of it and immediately post them to FB and twitter before it's even over.

I also hate going to concerts and EVERYONE is taking pics and videos with their cell phones the entire show, like it's not enough to just be there and experience it, you have to take a piece home and prove to all your friends it really happened. We just can't be in the moment... it's more like "how will I communicate this moment later?".

The internet is a tool that can be used for good or bad, and like with everything, I think it's good too have a balance and take the time to watch the sunset just for the sake of watching it.

[catmeow]

Well I sort of agree with Lionheart and Stookie. I don't own a smartphone, I don't have a Facebook account and tweeting is something birds do in my back garden.  But I can see how useful all these technologies can be. I can see me eventually succumbing to a smartphone, simply due their incredible usefulness. However, that's not really why I'm posting.

Going back to Bedeekin's OP, I have often thought that reality shows like Big Brother are really metaphors for our physical life journey. People are "born" into the Big Brother house. They go through all sorts of trials and hardships, have experiences, forge relationships, live and grow whilst in the house. At the end of it they are booted out of the house (die) and "cross over". They then have a life review in which they are quizzed about their time in the house, and shown video footage of their "life" from an external viewpoint, given insights into how their actions affected other people, shown their achievements and so on. Then there is the joyous reunion with loved ones they knew before they entered the Big Brother house. It could hardly be a more perfect metaphor.

So as Bedeekin says, why is it that we are drawn to these alter-ego experiences? Are these second lives some type of fractal life extension experiences, which we are subconsciously drawn to? Are all these second lives a subconscious expression of our underlying nature?

[Bedeekin]

That Big Brother analogy was perfect... haha 

Birth... death... and of course rebirth as far as their celebrity status or reinvigorated fame is concerned.

Very ego based though. It's like a fast food version of experiencing a miniature but very intense life incarnation.

[Stookie_]

I had one more thought about this subject. There's a book "Simulacra and Simulation" which is sort of a post-modern view of culture and reality. But one of the arguments in it is that as humanity "progresses" we move further and further away from reality and replace it with a simulation of reality. And then it becomes a simulation of that simulation, until we're so far removed from "real" there is no connection left to it at all. An example of this is modern society and how "real" we all perceive it to be... our jobs and politics and economy are what dictates reality and as "real" as it gets, so we have to invent un-real places like Disneyland and Dave and Busters so we can distance ourselves from it for a short period of time to reinforce it's perceptual reality. The argument being that modern society is as far removed from reality as Disneyland, though we've been intellectually fooled into taking it as true reality.

The internet and social networking may be just another level of simulacra taking us another step away from reality. As always, just thoughts I'm throwing out there.

[Contenteo]

Or here's one for ya:

Do the constraints of our natural environment(ex. the internet's dependence on the traits of electrons' behavior) necessitate the embodiment of the inventions we create? Where the constraints of our natural environment would be highly dependent on our perception/the collective unconsciousness's perception of the world.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Bedeekin]

I had one more thought about this subject. There's a book "Simulacra and Simulation" which is sort of a post-modern view of culture and reality. But one of the arguments in it is that as humanity "progresses" we move further and further away from reality and replace it with a simulation of reality. And then it becomes a simulation of that simulation, until we're so far removed from "real" there is no connection left to it at all. An example of this is modern society and how "real" we all perceive it to be... our jobs and politics and economy are what dictates reality and as "real" as it gets, so we have to invent un-real places like Disneyland and Dave and Busters so we can distance ourselves from it for a short period of time to reinforce it's perceptual reality. The argument being that modern society is as far removed from reality as Disneyland, though we've been intellectually fooled into taking it as true reality.

The internet and social networking may be just another level of simulacra taking us another step away from reality. As always, just thoughts I'm throwing out there.

This simulacra can also be read as a fractal. I still see this as a mould being filled... a trait that is passed on from the Larger Consciousness System... that has done this already.. .i.e us and this reality.

Contenteo... I think I know what you mean...

Do you mean the constraints set down to make this a seemingly solid reality?

[Lionheart]

 The downfalls of technology!  http://news.yahoo.com/india-text-message-threats-rumors-came-pakistan-202011274.html

[Contenteo]

Yes. It all seems fundamental and obvious at the moment siad, but one's understanding of a phenomenon limits their ability to forge predictable outcomes around the phenomenon. Of course, one's conscious understanding is a prerequisite to accuratly forging anything.

Also, not forgotten in this equation, is one's ability to accurately measure a phenomenon and store it for future use within their consciousness.
However, this is equally confusing because measuring and storing seem to be universal functional constraints in themselves of the reality we exist...in many evolutionary spatial aggregations(i.e. cells, plants, human bodies, communities, etc.)

Best on everyone's existentialist ponderings, mine included. 

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Szaxx]

Hi,
These strange phenomenon complete with those aberrations of known physics just show that the all knowing have only grasped the basics. If humanity discovered the truth of what an electron actually is for example, this advance would change the world as did the invention of the wheel.
Being reliant on nature keeps us existant. Harmonisation with nature would be far superior an ideal. Yet the advancement of our race is becoming dependant upon unnatural items. I love this technology personally but it comes with a price tag. Too many relying on it with no secondary backup system eventually will self terminate. Our lost spiritual development is now coming back as a natural progression. In ages past a few would have had this tool and utilised it for foraging for food and water. These nomadic tribes people today exist in us and their use of these developed NP skills is prominent in those of us who are trailblazing. This info is generally known in many texts from over 100 years. Being reliant on facebook or fashion is a dead mans game.

[Lionheart]

 It has an official name now. "Data Mining" at it's best.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/this-could-be-big-abc-news/finding-meaning-human-data-mining-041552391.html