Slow progress

[bproulx12]

Well it has ben a couple of weeks now, I do not think I have reached the right vibrational state, however that feels, probably do not even know it if it hit me anyway, just keep laying there trying to keep focus. Found out counting backwards does that. One thing I think I have noticed,  the backside of my neck is continuing to becoming uncomfortable every time I "practice", not really pain, kind  of feels like the muscles along the cervical vertebrae. I seem to always have to adjust it and I think that stops whatever from continuing. A few times I felt like I was lifting, but then I was able to let it go down as if I was subconsciously pushing myself up....

[Xanth]

What does the "wrong" vibrational state feel like to you?

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Trying too hard never works, it cant be forced. So many practioners give up after trying for ages and very soon after have experiences.
It's a natural process and has to be set up then left to itself to work. Meditation sets it up with some intent. Learning the phasing technique, being passive with no expectations is somewhat advantageous.
Don't expect vibrations or any of the other noted pre-exit experiences. We all have different systems operating within.
Some on this site don't get vibrations or sleep paralysis. Bear this in mind, they still exit and some have done all their life.
These signpost are a guide only.
Success will come.

[omass]

Well you don't NEED vibrations to project. In my belief Vibrational State is an outdated concept which was invented by Monroe about 30 years ago. He died in 1995. Yes his Institue is here today but I find that they no longer really resarch "new" things and basically branch out of the old concepts practically just going over the same thing times and times again. Yes monroe was good. Yes his techniques were good. But he is dead and his techniques are too old now. What if we used 30 years old Medicine techniques and still held the concepts we held 30 years ago? Well what if we lived 30 years ago? Well then we would still be in the Cold war in the fear of Bombs being dropped onto our heads our if you lived in the territory of USSR then in the fear of being taken to a Communist Contentration camp and getting a "brain surgery" where they would tie you to a bed and have an experiment on your brain without giving you pain killers/sleeping pills so you die of pain. The problem is that noone is making any "new" concepts and we are just using the old Monroe crap...It's not crap and I agree It has good but we need new concepts because many people search for symptoms that don't NEED to be there. Besides any progess is good progess.

Happy Searching,,,

-omass

[bproulx12]

Read somewhere that you get tingling, muscle spasms and a low level vibration from meditating. I could be trying too hard. maybe I am not relaxing enough. After a hour you figure I would be relaxed. Another thing is I do not have much privacy unless  I move to another room in the AM, so the best time I practice is before I go to bed. I do not understand the neck discomfort.

[omass]

Well the thing is don't try to relax. I have had about 8 Brialliant lucid OBE's (2 of which Where my first ones) and about as many as 50 kinda of worked, got pulled back in, once I flyed to high something knocked me out, and the most common thing I get is things get blurry. As you see I am not an expert. Well I guess I also try too hard. Early on I always got vibrations but not anymore. Now I just project without them. Anyway the technique I use is once I go to bed I don't think of anything. Once that is done I concentrate on the blackness. YES alot of people say that but not many actually do this part nicely. This is where my problems sometimes come in. If I was too excited about something in the day I start thinking about it. If I am unable to remove that then I fall asleep and dream of fun stuff...Notice the changes. What I do is I don't say to myself is "ooh look something went brighter" but I notice it and note it to keep my mind working and distract it. Keep NOTICING the changes. If you don't you will feel the need to swallow, scratch, ooh look something is crawling up my leg! That is what I do. From there my astral eyes open and I see my room. Sometimes I manage to get out. Sometimes I don't. Anyway where you say about the muscle spasms just ignore them. Nothing to be done about them. I don't have much privacy either but I do have an opportunity to try APing at day(That makes me remember when I was visiting our grand mother and I had my first AP, I thought I got up and tried to open the door...fail , I did not expect results the first time I tried so I was really surprised to get such fantastic results and woke up screaming...lol).

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Some of us were in our 20's thirty years ago. The techniques available back then were sparse. They worked. Some from the late 1800's also work but you need to understand the language used.
As far as a new system or better understanding of it all goes I've started a thread on this site expecting a few more comments to get the ball rolling. It would appear either no one wishes to comment or it sounds like hard work. The technicalities need input from others or it may be construed in error.
As far as relaxing goes, this is a form of concentration on the physical. Anything on the mind regarding the physical will prevent the separation from happening in most cases. You need to ignore the physical completely. Stay awake in your mind not your body, you have to let go of it while still concious. Thats when the fun starts.

[omass]

Sure sounds like fun ;/...
Well I haven't seen your topic...Maybe give me a link to it?

[LazyPanda]

Heya,

reading your post I felt like being in a similar situation as you.

When I began relaxing a couple of weeks ago, I also experienced discomfort in the backside of my neck.
I was guessing that this probably occured because I wasn't used to lying on my back, as I usually sleep on my side.
It doesn't help that I have some general health problems with my back either.

By now, I don't even notice it anymore though. Just as I don't notice my breathing for example or the need to swallow. It's all a matter of focus - if you continue focusing on relaxing, these disturbances pass away quickly, withoug being a bother - up to the point where you shouldn't notice them at all anymore. If you notice the disturbance and keep thinking about it it only gets stronger though. So just keep practicing at ignoring it I guess.

I noticed though, that even if you do move to rectify your neck position for example, as long as you don't make a big deal out of it, it won't bring you out of your procedure too much. I did that once, just when I felt the vibrations were about to kick in - and they still occured, a minute later then.

[bproulx12]

I thought I was trying not to think of my physical body, guess thinking about my neck, thinking, oh is this the vibrations? and there have been a couple of times where I felt I was sufficating, and got anxious. Need to work on the keeping focus away from the physical and tell myself I will be safe.

[bproulx12]

Reading Ryans Primer so I give a shot on Noticing.....listened in Hemi Sync Journeys out of Body Condition D track and some how I lost some time, but I started noticing the darkness. I got a few visuals, clear as day as if a movie.....a girl dark hair, black dress which looked like some one I knew that had killed herself walking by looking at me.......lost that picture than saw a few light visuals....then the wife walked in and blew the whole thing........

[Xanth]

Reading Ryans Primer so I give a shot on Noticing.....listened in Hemi Sync Journeys out of Body Condition D track and some how I lost some time, but I started noticing the darkness. I got a few visuals, clear as day as if a movie.....a girl dark hair, black dress which looked like some one I knew that had killed herself walking by looking at me.......lost that picture than saw a few light visuals....then the wife walked in and blew the whole thing........

Damn wimenz. 

That's a great start though! 

[bproulx12]

Other than the light show, that looked 3d to me, but nothing happened, is it normal to just have visuals of people just pop up. Practiced again and had some guy I have no idea show up for a few seconds. As with the woman the other day, he looked like he was on TV too, i.e.. visual in a box....Today, a hour of nothing.....but I do need to learn how to focus.

[bproulx12]

PS, I turned to the Phasing technique as after 2 weeks, have not been getting much out of the regular OBE techniques, but then again, I have a hard time keep focused, my mind wanders to something different.

[Xanth]

Other than the light show, that looked 3d to me, but nothing happened, is it normal to just have visuals of people just pop up. Practiced again and had some guy I have no idea show up for a few seconds. As with the woman the other day, he looked like he was on TV too, i.e.. visual in a box....Today, a hour of nothing.....but I do need to learn how to focus.

Anything you can experience is "normal". 

PS, I turned to the Phasing technique as after 2 weeks, have not been getting much out of the regular OBE techniques, but then again, I have a hard time keep focused, my mind wanders to something different.

Use whatever techniques you need to in order to project.  They all end up in the same place anyway. 
If you're having a hard time focusing, and you find your mind wandering... then you're going to have a hard time with *any* projection technique. 
I'd suggest work on the focus thing first... learn to meditate.  That will help you immensely and give you a solid foundation from which to project from. 

[bproulx12]

Xanth, thanks!