One day... does it all just end?

[AstralCody]

What do you think?

Does your consciousness just vanish? Or do you think you live for eternity? reincarnating... visiting other places... I was talking to a fellow who said that possibly our metaphysical selfs die after about a million years or so. I didn't quite understand what he meant. Then it all just ends? He said it could be millions of years...

I guess I am just confused. I really hope I am always me... I mean yeah I will change... memories will fade... but I hope I just keep growing and growing. I'm talking about after I pass in this life too. Do you think eternity exists? I hope it does! I don't want everything to just end a million years from now. Guess it wouldn't matter... It's not like I would know 

I hope this even made sense. what do you think?

[roman67]

I don't think so. Even I think it will grow more.

[AstralCody]

I hope so Roman. I think that indeed maybe memories will fade...(not all of them I hope?) but I just think we live for eternity. There are endless things out there. I just don't see how a consciousness would "die" or just parish. Even after millions of years... and if the whole reincarnation thing is true then I suppose you could come back here after a million years... who knows though. I just really hope I never just "ends"

[AteBits]

Well you are thinking in terms of time and beginnings and ends. But time is just an illusion that we here in physical reality implements in our way of thinking. So I think we are eternal, we are ever evolving as consciousness, as there is no such ting as time when we are dead. The physical universe that we know of will come to an end of some sorts eventually but my guess is that universal consciousness sees to it that new things begin in physical reality.

"There is no beginning, there is no end. There is only change" - Robert Monroe

[Steel Hawk]

What do you think?

Does your consciousness just vanish? Or do you think you live for eternity? reincarnating... visiting other places... I was talking to a fellow who said that possibly our metaphysical selfs die after about a million years or so. I didn't quite understand what he meant. Then it all just ends? He said it could be millions of years...

I guess I am just confused. I really hope I am always me... I mean yeah I will change... memories will fade... but I hope I just keep growing and growing. I'm talking about after I pass in this life too. Do you think eternity exists? I hope it does! I don't want everything to just end a million years from now. Guess it wouldn't matter... It's not like I would know 

I hope this even made sense. what do you think?

Ghosts debate amongst themselves whether God and heaven exists. When they just vanish into light do they die or go to heaven? The second death as it is called, some ghosts fear it so much they become vampires feeding off the energy of the living to sustain their etheric bodies still wandering the world. So when anyone says they know, they do not know, for even the dead do debate their deaths.

Here is the truth. No, you as an individual do not survive as an immortal after death. But it's more complicated than that.

Think of yourself, as an individual ego as six playing cards arranged in a particular order. Suppose you are: K, 10, J, J, 7, 1. Think of your soul as the case which holds the cards. Normally when one dies, the individual or the six cards, gets shuffled by the soul into a deck of sixty cards. Six cards are then chosen from the deck and they're thrown back into a new body. Some of these cards may be from you, sometimes not.

This process keeps repeating ad nauseum until the shuffled hand integrates the rest of the deck into itself. Or unities with the divine self. When the individual merges with the soul. When the self and the ego become one. The alchemical marriage. The Great Work. This is what you're wanting.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong. But this is my goal, obtain cosmic consciousness, merge with the Soul. There's countless of religions that will give you other answers if you don't agree with what I've said find something you like. We're all just monkeys trying to guess at what the truth is.

[AteBits]

Here is the truth. No, you as an individual do not survive as an immortal after death. But it's more complicated than that.

Although this doesn't mean that you as consciousness will not remember this lifetime and this individual personality for some time at least. Because everything points to that you will. As you die, and eventually (or immediatelly) gets aware of your other lifes you'v lived and realizes that this lifetime was one of many, you will integrate this life time with the others and become one consciousness based on all of them. What this feels like I dont know, perhaps it is like now. You are aware that you are someone and aware of you experiences, with the difference that you have much more experience than you think you have now and that you are much more than this single personality.

As for this lifetime and these memories: Many have written it before, that this life will eventually seem like a distant dream. As a distant memory. And I dont think this is unsettling to the least. It feels natural I'd say.

[AstralCody]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I don't know... it's just it makes me wonder after this life ends... I know for fact I will move on. (experiences I have had etc) You are NOT your body that is forsure. It's just a matter of if the consciousness ever dies... It just makes no sense to me that we experience this world... and perhaps many others... and then maybe even BILLIONS of years (time is an illusion so years is the wrong word) your "essence" your consciousness just flat out perishes.

You learn so much... you grow... you live in different realities... and then BOOM. You are gone. Everyone you met... everything you experienced... Might has well not even existed. Everything goes black and you are no more... THAT is what makes no sense to me. Or I am confused about at least. Change I can understand. Absolutely. But, just flat out becoming no more after however long it is... I just find it upsetting! lol.

Earth is very hard for me. I have a lot of health issues and it's tough... and I try my best though. I am caring, I love to help others. When I pass away I want to be a guide maybe... visit other realities... become one with my higher self... but I don't want to just leave.

To me... if everything just ended at some time. You as a consciousness... Not in this reality... You as a spirit... why am I even here? Why experience all this when sometime even if it's a lonnnnnnnnng time from now am just gonna parish from existence itself. To me I don't see how a consciousness can die... Change, grow, of course! What about loved ones though? Maybe you will go your separate ways after life but I do think we will all be connected in other lives as well in some way. The people you love anyway... The people you met you care about in this life. Again... I don't see why I am here in pain and misery, I mean not all the time... I try really hard and I smile and astral projection and spirituality is SO BIG for me. But You meet all of these people... build relationships... and then whoop! hope that was fun... Now you start all over... I hope that's not how it works. I don't know why I fear this stuff either. I just never want to parish. I always want to be experiencing something. I don't want to just go away, and all this. EVERYTHING you won't even remember.

Earth I can understand... you know maybe loosing memories etc once moving to a higher place or realm or whatever you want to call it...

Basically... I hope eternity does exist. I really would be upset if my consciousness... my personality... me... living... experiencing... just died. All of it. What would it be like after that? Nothing. You would be no more. That to me is just scary.

[AteBits]

Well, all I can add to that is why not ask a guide or something when you are out of body to try and give you a good answer? As for why you are here right now, you chose it yourself before you were born into this life so you have all the answers already, you just can't access them right now it seem. Read Jane Roberts - Eternal Validity of The Soul. Great book that answers alot of the questions you ask. In fact, its one of the best books I'v read and its concidered a classic and is also regarded valid by many metaphysical, spiritual, AP/OBE writes around the world.

[rain_88]

Basically... I hope eternity does exist. I really would be upset if my consciousness... my personality... me... living... experiencing... just died.

I think that would keep you from being upset ....

But can you really imagine that your existence ends? (I can't)

[AstralCody]

Thank Atebits! I'm gonna check that book out... gonna ask for some help from my guides too. They are hard to find... I always ask for help haven't seen them yet. We will see!

Rain- lol

[NoY]

when you reach the top of this eternity the only place to go is to start at the bottom of the next cycle

but it could take eons to get there

:NoY:

[Stookie_]

The fear of losing your identity/personality is because the ego thinks it's the real being, though your ego is really a conglomeration of your experiences from birth to the present moment. It's founded and built on your current physical life. After your physical life, you'll begin to shed those things, and as you drop them you realize that it's not you at all - you're a much more perfect and greater being that was being filtered through the ego, and now that the ego gone, you're back "home". A lot of spiritual practices are about removing ego and connecting back to "home" while still in the physical.

[erin]

Does it all just end? Maybe, and maybe quite fast. I mean, I know a person that experienced death(not once) and he told me there was only darkness, coldness and loneliness.. nothing less, nothing more. Scary, isn't it?

[AteBits]

The fear of losing your identity/personality is because the ego thinks it's the real being, though your ego is really a conglomeration of your experiences from birth to the present moment. It's founded and built on your current physical life. After your physical life, you'll begin to shed those things, and as you drop them you realize that it's not you at all - you're a much more perfect and greater being that was being filtered through the ego, and now that the ego gone, you're back "home". A lot of spiritual practices are about removing ego and connecting back to "home" while still in the physical.

Couldnt have put it better myself. This is perfect

[Dreamshards]

Does it all just end? Maybe, and maybe quite fast. I mean, I know a person that experienced death(not once) and he told me there was only darkness, coldness and loneliness.. nothing less, nothing more. Scary, isn't it?

In my opinion there is no way that could be true for everyone, we build our own hell! If we decide to waste this life in darkness and turmoil then it will probably carry on to future lives until we spiritually grow and see no need for that sort of mentality. I know many have seen trapped souls or demons in the astral: beings that are filled with negativity and if we are negative and live in fear they will come to us as well. The same goes for pure darkness, though I find it comforting at times when I experience it while shifting to the non physical. So maybe it's all perspective and letting go of fear.

[AstralCody]

when you reach the top of this eternity the only place to go is to start at the bottom of the next cycle

but it could take eons to get there

:NoY:

NoY this is interesting to point out but will you start over as you again? Or a whole different consciousness? Like I realize I am not my body. My name is only here because we have to have an identity... but as far as spiritually... do you come back as a whole different consciousness? Or start over in the one you are currently in... I hope that made sense.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
When life started on planet earth we humans couldn't breathe the air.
One life form could that being bacteria. Eventually this bacteria did all it could and when it reached its top it did one more thing to survive the new environment. It evolved.
When oob the you that you are now is somehow different. Your thoughts, emotions and basic thoughts have adapted to the new environment. Its a supposition that the physical existance is no longer of interest given that experienced while out. Time appears non functional so what would you do given these basics?
It must be a form of evolution. Those trapped are seen as ghosts and most of these are seen in older buildings having supported life for some time. These buildings are reported to have more ectoplasm within them than newer ones and entities are able to use this to become an apparition. 1 in 5000000 people can exude this substance at will and these few are known as mediums.
From a recent book Ive read, makes you wonder....

[NoY]

NoY this is interesting to point out but will you start over as you again? Or a whole different consciousness? Like I realize I am not my body. My name is only here because we have to have an identity... but as far as spiritually... do you come back as a whole different consciousness? Or start over in the one you are currently in... I hope that made sense.

as something different

:NoY:

[majour ka]

Ghosts debate amongst themselves whether God and heaven exists. When they just vanish into light do they die or go to heaven? The second death as it is called, some ghosts fear it so much they become vampires feeding off the energy of the living to sustain their etheric bodies still wandering the world. So when anyone says they know, they do not know, for even the dead do debate their deaths.

Here is the truth. No, you as an individual do not survive as an immortal after death. But it's more complicated than that.

Think of yourself, as an individual ego as six playing cards arranged in a particular order. Suppose you are: K, 10, J, J, 7, 1. Think of your soul as the case which holds the cards. Normally when one dies, the individual or the six cards, gets shuffled by the soul into a deck of sixty cards. Six cards are then chosen from the deck and they're thrown back into a new body. Some of these cards may be from you, sometimes not.

I like the way some people speak like they are god...sorry its just I dont think any of us know the real answer...we are energy and as we know energy cannot be destroyed, only changed. Cody I can imagine and believe and that we only progress beyond where we are when we are ready, so Im sure you/we will keep your/our own identity as long as we need to or want to 

If you asked a Buddhist that question they would probably tell you they trying to work out how to get where you are worried we might go . The closer we get to God the more whole we become

This process keeps repeating ad nauseum until the shuffled hand integrates the rest of the deck into itself. Or unities with the divine self. When the individual merges with the soul. When the self and the ego become one. The alchemical marriage. The Great Work. This is what you're wanting.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong. But this is my goal, obtain cosmic consciousness, merge with the Soul. There's countless of religions that will give you other answers if you don't agree with what I've said find something you like. We're all just monkeys trying to guess at what the truth is.

[Volgerle]

We're avatars (=ego/"person") in a temporary role play in a multiplayer game. The avatar is compiled (strengths, weaknesses, traits, 'weaponry') before starting (entering) the game by the player. The player is what we call the higher consciousness / self. This is what we are and (so I believe) remain.

A role you play is you and is not you, however you look at it.

Say, you play Romeo (or Julia) in a Shakespeare play. Each one who plays Romeo also plays a bit of him"self". If another one played Romeo it would be a 'different' Romeo (even though the same 'role'), not just by looking different. On the other hand, it still is a role, believing it to be sth permanent is illusion. But the memory of it, the lessons learnt from it, and the sheer the fact that it was 'played' in this 'game' is permanent and remains with you.

[AstralCody]

Thank you so much everybody for the replies. I guess nobody REALLY knows. It's cool to look though, and see that everyone has kind of the same view on it. Personally I am getting to the point to where I think I will always be me, but there will always be change. Once I reach the top of this eternity though who knows what will happen. I figured out though it doesn't do me really any good to sit and worry about it! 

[Xanth]

You're a small piece of a greater whole.  You're part of the one.

[Mini stapler]

This is one of the few times I haven't minded that someones put music over Alan Watts talking -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I

There's a lot of his full lectures on youtube where he talks more extensively about death & ego, amongst other stuff, if you're interested in that kind of thing. Personally I could listen to him talk about paint dry, he has a very captivating way about him.

Not saying his view is right or wrong, just another way of looking at it. 

[Bedeekin]

That is an outstanding speech. wow 

"Imagine waking up, having never gone to sleep"

... and yes... a great choice of music.

Of course consciousness exists after physical death... I have always known this since the first night I flew over the field behind my house.

[Xanth]

A lot of this stuff will be completely 'unacceptable' to most folks simply because their egos would outright refuse to accept that there's more to life than this physical reality.

Everyone comes about this stuff at their own time.

And yes, that is an absolutely AMAZING 4 minutes!  I highly suggest everyone watch it.