Need Help Astral Projection.

[seany22]

Hello,

This is going to be kind of long but forgive me I have never spoken to anyone about these things because of my intense fear on the subject and I feel that I need help.

I really could use a lot of help with astral projection/latent abilities of mine. When I was a child I remember consistently lucid dreaming, seeing things like I was awake. Or it it least I think i saw things looking back ghosts, monster like creatures. I remember hearing voices all the time, like people talking in low chat. I also was a gifted intellectually writing great stories well beyond the capabilities of my age naturally, but I always felt like the ideas and words came from somewhere else... But worse then anything I remember this intense fear... Like someone or something was always feeding off of me. To this day it has never left me... it's only been suppressed.

As I grew older, around puberty I couldn't handle the fear anymore, I squelched everything supernatural about me. Anything possibly linking me to the fear. And with it, I felt like a great fortune of knowledge.. or something greater still was shut with it. But it didn't matter I had to escape the fear.

10 Years or so has passed sense that time, I'm now 23 years old. I know I've been yanked out of my body a couple times in the last months... (Sleep Paralysis) is the scientific name for it. And it's always terrifying. The most intense fear overwhelms me and I just want to escape. On one occasion I saw a great dark sphere of energy in the corner. Like a giant man hooded in black robes. A really got the impression it was a demon or something. It was the scariest thing..... But past that still I know in my heart that I can be so much more then I am if I can just push myself mentally. I feel that I have great energy but it's like something doesn't want me to use it or something I don't know.

Now that my deeply depressing and terrifying story is over... my question is.

Am I just imagining things? Do I actually have something to fear? What can I do to break past this? Or should I just dust it all underneath the carpet where I have left it.

Lastly I wish I had had someone personally to talk with. None of my family or friends could really relate with me mentally or spiritually.. it least not in this mannerism. I tried speaking about these things with people before but it only came off as comical. SO please your help is deeply appreciated!

[seany22]

Just to elaborate on some of my experiences recently with the sleep paralysis. It's all very lucid... Like in your face real life lucid in your room lucid.
About two months ago I had an orange pony run across my chest and dance around while two little people fought on my dresser for a good 2 minutes. (this one makes me lol)
The scary butt demon thing was like six months ago... but I always feel like hes there....
Another time a couple months ago I closed my eyes because I was so scared and I was afraid to see anything. So instead this earth shattering demonic voice whispered in my ear... wake up.... wake up... (really... just my luck)
Another time about six months ago there was this giant white glove, like a micky mouse glove. Waving me to come towards it. When I finally regained consciousness nothing was there.
There have been others recently but I can't recall all of them, I try to eliminate it from my memory.

I had like mild esp or something too when I was younger. (it least I think that's what it was...). It seems to have left me now. I remember one specific instance when i was a child. My mother said to me. Sean I have something very important to tell you. I still remember the feeling, like this terrible wave of sadness and awareness hit me. I said, grandma died without any prior knowledge or reasonable information to incur it. I used to be able to feel things like that on occasion.

[Lionheart]

 Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse.
First off, just know that you are not alone in this. Fear is a normal reaction to all of this. Your fears will grip you and paralyze you all by themselves. You go out of body/project unbeknownst to you every night and return unscathed. So, just know you are safe. But you need to confront this fear. In the Astral thought=action, so if you think scary things, then scary things you will find. Check out this video here. The part you want tot watch on fear starts at the 1:00:00 and goes for 7 minutes. But, the entire video is excellent and will open your eyes to things you could never have imagined before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRar8IOwic8&feature=BFa&list=PLEB923BB17E5849A3&lf=plpp_video
We are all here to share and learn together. This is a beautiful fascinating experience, open yourself up and let it in!  

[seany22]

thanks for the reply! I'll check it out.

[seany22]

great video.

[seany22]

When confronting this fear. Is it a bad idea to get angry at it? Should i try and love it instead or something? I feel like it would be my instinct to fight it... Which I assume is a bad idea. Do you have any books or articles that you would recommend for overcoming this fear?

[Szaxx]

Hi and welcome to the Pulse.
What you've posted I've helped many people with since the 1970's.
Its totally natural and once understood the fear goes away. You are scareing yourself. That's the simplicity involved in this.
Use the search box finding SP or sleep paralysis, youll be amazed at the number of people who actually want this state. It opens up a doorway to new horizons.
Enjoy your stay. We all speak the same language here so feel free to ask about anything you desire.

[Lionheart]

When confronting this fear. Is it a bad idea to get angry at it? Should i try and love it instead or something? I feel like it would be my instinct to fight it... Which I assume is a bad idea. Do you have any books or articles that you would recommend for overcoming this fear?

Experiment with it! 

[seany22]

I've been doing a little research on the forums and I saw a post about hemi-sync tapes

I have to say I just listened to this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFI2WFtaYrk

and it put me in the most tranquil state.... I was vibrating a lot... and i wasn't scared. An amazing feeling, euphoric. If that's what astral projection is like, then i want to be a part of it.

[seany22]

and haha okay.. I will.. I guess as long as I know I have nothing to fear it won't matter. I just have to convince myself I'll be okay.

[Bedeekin]

Just to elaborate on some of my experiences recently with the sleep paralysis. It's all very lucid... Like in your face real life lucid in your room lucid.
About two months ago I had an orange pony run across my chest and dance around while two little people fought on my dresser for a good 2 minutes. (this one makes me lol)
The scary butt demon thing was like six months ago... but I always feel like hes there....

Do you feel like the orange pony and fighting borrowers are still there with you?

It seems like a cocky question but it's actually not such a silly notion.

This sort of illogical thing was one of the reasons I learned to ignore the fear during SP.

The problem with Sleep Paralysis is that because it is a state to project from it is difficult to sort physical from non-physical. It's a confused state of duality.

On one side you have your physical body that is giving you feedback of the REM state... (of which you are normally unaware of) and the nonphysical state that it fuels to imagine all types of horrible nasty fear based things.

One of my main fears during SP was situations involving my mother. On one occasion I saw her standing in the doorway being repeatedly stabbed by a demon... another I watched her being sucked out of my window... another time I could here her screaming. I was 11 or 12.

Other times it was The Blob... many times it was the Xenomorph from Alien. (I went to see the film when it first came out when I was 6 - my mother knew the manager of the local cinema.)

other times it is a thought I have just as I slip into SP... that I left the front door open... or someone is in the house. This is such a common experience that we use the word 'Nightmare' to express a crappy situation or a bad dream. Originally it was the 'Mare who comes in the night'.

Each culture has a name for SP and the perceived presence...

In China they call it gui ya chuang which translates to "ghost pressing on the body"...

In vietnam they call it Bong de which means "held down by a shadow"...

In Japan it's called Kanashibari which means "bound in metal" and was also one of the things responsible for elevating the Ninja to supernatural fame.

in the Philippines it's called Suk ninmyo... they believe that it is a sacred tree spirit that comes into the bedroom at night to feed from the life essence off living humans. They do it during the night so as not trouble people... but waking up during this is the Suk Ninmyo. They don't see this as negative. I love this one.

In Hmong culture its called the dab tsog.

in Sri Lanka it is called Amuku Be meaning 'the ghost that forces down on you'.

In Bangladesh, it's boba meaning "speechless".

In Turkey they call it karabasan or the Ifri meaning 'The dark assailer'

In Roman times when things got biblical they called it The incubi or succubi, depending on what gender you were.

African americans in the South call it "the witch riding your back" in africa it's "the devil riding your back"

In Mongolia they call it kara darahu, meaning "to be pressed by the Black" or "when the Dark presses."

In Pakistan it is called the Djinn. Now used as a character in Clash of the Titans.

Persian culture calls it bakhtak  which is a spear chucking ghost that sits on the chest.

In Mexico it is called subirse el muerto which means 'dead person on you'.

"Ogun Oru is a traditional explanation for nocturnal disturbances among the Yoruba of Southwest Nigeria; ogun oru (nocturnal warfare) involves an acute night-time disturbance that is culturally attributed to demonic infiltration of the body and psyche during dreaming. Ogun oru is characterized by its occurrence, a female preponderance, the perception of an underlying feud between the sufferer's earthly spouse and a 'spiritual' spouse, and the event of bewitchment through eating while dreaming. The condition is believed to be treatable through Christian prayers or elaborate traditional rituals designed to exorcise the imbibed demonic elements" Transcultural psychiatry paper

and there are more... I helped compile the SP Wikipedia page... I suggest you look at it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

*EDIT

basically.. each culture has their own interpretation of it depending on their belief system or dogma and not all are bad.

[seany22]

Do you feel like the orange pony and fighting borrowers are still there with you?

This one made me chuckle. I suppose your logic is accurate.
The commonality in your beliefs does ease my mind a little, but the fear is still very difficult to overcome.

How would you recommend I enter OBE from this point? Is it best to ignore the SP phase entirely, and use other meditative methods instead?

Great post by the way. I appreciate you taking the time to compile that for me.

[seany22]

By the way I truly feel for you. This must of been terrifying to witness... I know the feeling.

One of my main fears during SP was situations involving my mother. On one occasion I saw her standing in the doorway being repeatedly stabbed by a demon... another I watched her being sucked out of my window... another time I could here her screaming. I was 11 or 12.

Thankfully things like SP will become more well-known in the coming future, because of things like the internet and forums like this.

[Bedeekin]

Most of it is stuck in my head after researching... some stuff I had to check to get the names right.  

I have many medical papers and journal entires that I need to scan and upload that would be of great help on here.

I will have to use myself as an example and maybe you can glean some clues ... When I started getting SP I was only 11 and I would get it every night and every one would be absolutely terrifying. I suffered full blown anxiety attacks because of it. My fright was so acute that my mother whisked me off to hospital once she was convinced I wasn't seeking attention. I had epilepsy tests and cognitive tests... and it all came back negative. The doctor then diagnosed me with RISP (Recurrent Isolated Sleep Paralysis.). The naming of it didn't help... and I was utterly convinced I was being possessed or attacked by ghosts etc. As you know... the fear builds into a crescendo and is more real than real fear. Base fear. But after the doctors my mother sort of had the attitude "nothing's wrong with my son" and I didn't want to disappoint her, even though I was still getting them. Understand that I used to wake my parents up crying and shaking nearly every night.  I learned I could jerk myself out of it if I caught it early and told my mother that I was feeling better... but... I think it was about 2 weeks after the doctors I had the one where she got stabbed in my doorway. I ran in and woke them up and my mother got really angry. "There's nothing wrong with you ben.. you're not getting attacked.. the doctor said you're fine, now STOP THIS!!".

I think this is what the turning point was. I had lost my support... my mommy (my dad just wasnt interested lol)... and I was alone with it. Just me and the nasty presence, the 747 taking off in my head and the pushing down.

The next night I had it again... it was still scary... but I managed to move my fingers slowly and then my hand... I moved my arm behind myself... but was grabbed by the fact I could feel little pricks or stabbing feelings at my fingertips... like a low frequency pins and needles... more like a pin here and a needle there... It suddenly dawned on me that I was moving my hand through the bed and that I could feel the bed springs.

The next night I managed to get into semi seated position and then instantly came out of it beck in the same place I was before the SP... it repeated and I lifted my arm up to look at my hand... I couldn't really see it but for the edges; like a dark drop shadow. Unperturbed I put my hand on the wall... I could feel the woodchip wallpaper... a little bit of applied pressure and my hand sank into the wall.. the bricks.. I felt the cavity... then bricks.. then a cold smooth vertical tube. When I woke up the next morning... no... SPRANG out of bed the next morning I looked in my parents room (next door) and noticed that their steel bed post was directly where my hand would have been.

I was starting to get a bit curious.... like I was a superhuman. I went to school feeling quite... special.

The next time it happened I plucked up the courage to see if I could get up and out of bed. So I slowly sat up so I was upright looking at my door... my vision was snowy... like a bad tv picture... Then I was overtook by a rising fear... I could feel the presence behind me... it was directly behind me. I slowly turned my head around.. and what do you think the presence was?

It was me... lying on the bed. I found it to be a kind of self noticing feedback. I was frightened of me frightened of me frightened of me... etc... like microphone feedback. That is what I thought it might be.

The next one was a full OOBE that almost mirrors Monroes first one.

Funnily enough... after I found I could fly out of my body... the SP became a necessary 'evil'.... it was something I had to endure to get to the bliss. I noticed that once separated... the SP fear was completely gone. As soon as my attention and focus was away from my dual consciousness it didn't exist.

*EDIT*

I would like to clarify... that the feedback thing... of seeing me and thinking that was maybe the presence of fear... may have been a metaphor.

[seany22]

Most of it is stuck in my head after researching... some stuff I had to check to get the names right.  grin

Well it's a wealth of knowledge.

The self example was great, more then i was hoping for...  it sounds to me like I need to face my fears in some fashion or another. You sound like you have powerful psyche in you, I honestly never had to deal with SP to that extreme. I was able to quell it when I was young. I'm not sure if that was a gift or a curse because now I feel like I have lost out on so much in my life. Like a great big blanket has been pulled over the most interesting part about me.

For me I think the most difficult transition will be going from that paralysis stage to the OBE stage... It seems almost mythical to me now. I'll have to read more into Monroe.

Well I will try to muster the courage and the patience and do some meditating sessions. I will let you know how it comes out. I likely won't have any results for a weeks though. I'm still not even exactly sure how to trigger the SP. It seems to occur most frequently when I have a lack of sleep, I'm sleeping on my back and I'm in and out of my dream state. I'd be willing to be bet though if I lay down with the intention's of falling into SP it will likely happen sooner or later.

I was frightened of me frightened of me frightened of me... etc... like microphone feedback.

haha that line was genius... The metaphor in that I think rings the loudest truth for what I'm facing...

I would like to clarify... that the feedback thing... of seeing me and thinking that was maybe the presence of fear... may have been a metaphor.

I guess it's like FDR said. "There's nothing to fear but fear itself" Maybe he was an astral projector... ha

It's funny I tend to say that quote to myself before I meditate I guess it eases me a little, I just have to convince myself of it's truth. Hearing your story is helping me with that. Honestly, I appreciate it more then words will allow. So thanks.

[seany22]

Okay so I am here to give an update on the last month of my life... And holy crap it has been a ride.

Let me first state that I have not had sleep paralysis in a long time. I have forced my mind from it completely out of fear. Starting after my last post I told myself to let in those spiritual feelings again, to begin lucid dreaming again and to let the paralysis come and that I would be safe.

Well it started with constant lucid dreaming... the lucid dreams I have are insane, could make movies/books out of them no doubt. I won't go into detail about them however... I'ts what happened to me during my paralysis episodes that I find are exciting.

Okay so about a week and a half after my last post. I did it again. I woke up in sleep paralysis. I knew it because I could feel myself awaken but was unable to move. My eyes were shut... I was pretty terrified, for some reason I knew the demon was just going to be standing right in front of me when I opened my eyes. Alas I opened my eyes and a great big demon was there in front of my bed. He looked a lot like a nazgul from lord of the rings. I was ticked off at the guy so I started to raise my hand in attempt to flick him off (IT WAS HARD AS H*** to do) Then the most amazing thing happened.... I woke up. My hand was previously raised. I had seen it... but now when I awoke I noticed i hadn't moved at all. This left me wondering, what the hell did I move?

I had a couple more fearful episodes after this. Once about a week later I awoke unprepared for the paralysis. A bunch of demon hieroglyphics or something scattered on top of the walls above me. I was terrified and woke up instantly. A week later again I woke up and a woman in a white dress... was pulling me out of my body. I think I moved a couple feet then woke up again terrified.

And now for the good part. About 20 minutes ago... I woke up in the paralysis again. This great big shadow demonically stretched itself across the room. It literally twisted around like a living creature. I told myself not to fear it and that I would be safe.  I opened my eyes again and I felt this great big rush of positive energy enter me. The shadow disappeared. And I was alone in the room now. So i tried to get out of bed. I think I started to fall through/off the bed or something. I then slowly turned around and I saw myself lying down. I was so excited. That was enough for me, I had done all I wanted to do. To prove that an astral world was real... to myself.

However when I awoke I noticed things weren't exactly like I had seen them. Although I saw pretty clearly and my thoughts were as cognitive as they are now.... Objects were distorted, for example my pants were patterned a little differently. Truthfully everything was off a little bit. I take it this is normal? Does ones vision ever begin to clear more during this astral state or is this the mind playing tricks on yourself or something?