Salvia divinorum

[asstray85]

i bought a half ounce of salvia it is fake.  When i got it it looked like street leaves cut up, the extract i ordered was just the same leaves chopped up smaller, it was embarressing.  I smoked a ton of it and it did nothing at all, lots of people i know smoked it and it still did nothing to them.  The next product i probably try will be the lucid dragon one.  It must have been the sight i got the salvia from the first time from a fake salvia d.

-Steve

[wonderboy]

Koshka,
          Three of us tried it smoked and on different occasions the extract.
It was fun, I had some significant clarity increases and still fondly remember the walk home, but I didn't have any luck with using it as an OBE stimulant. Supposedly, the more you do it,. it builds up in your system and that's when
the real fun begins. However, it certainly didn't provide the lifting of the veil to the spirit world the website offered. I do believe we had legitimate stuff though. . . and the extract (although quite unpalatable) was more effective than the leaves which we had to smoke a lot of.

take care,
Wonderboy

[link]

I have a deep relationship with Salvia and have been blessed with the opportunity to smoke pure salvinorin A. I have given my opinion of this substance in my post under the same name as this one. If you want a legit supplier of salvia divinorum order the "extra strength" enhanced leaf from www.sagewisdom.org. 25mg of leaf, which is a wisp of smoke, contains 1 mg of salvinorin A. There will be no complaints of "not feeling it" when you smoke this. You will be catipulted from your reality and the leaves of the shepherdess will show you hers....

[Synapse]

i dont see the point of it u might as well get the real thing.

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[link]

What's the "real thing"? The salvinorin flash is just as "real" as a conscious astral projection, they are just completely different realities. When you get a full dose of salvinorin A, or DMT you are thrown into a completely different reality and it becomes less like a drug experience and more like a happening, or a unique encounter between you and something in another place. Just like astral projection. I have dedicated a lot of time to exploring the astral realms and the psychedelic realms, seperately of course, and consider both of them to be completely real and use both of them to explore myself and enter new worlds.

[Synapse]

i had never thought of it in that way before thanks for ur insight. if u want explore using drugs get some skunk. its cheaper and still gives a pretty good trip if u have enough.

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[link]

quote:Originally posted by Synapse:
if u want explore using drugs get some skunk.

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Right on brotha!! Ahh, the joys of California!!

[koshka]

Thanks link, wonderboy, and others --

I did find link's article.  Well, "Lucid Dragon" may perhaps be a rip, but their address is not 20 miles from me I see (Carson City), so I can go for some "face" if I have any questions.

I was intrigued by Robert's reference to an O.B.E. "reflex."  Some people can wiggle their ears spontaneously, for example; some cannot -- immediately.  I have had spontaneous experiences, all without "drugs."  But the idea of a plant friend is not an alien concept to me, any more than an animal friend.  I have tried a quid of some home grown Salvia in the past.  I did not have a definite purpose, but the experience was quite novel and sobering -- no irony implied.  This does seem to be a teaching ally.  

I have a definite purpose and intent this time.  So, we'll see soon.

[Spheres]

I am posting the links below so that those who are interested in making their own can do so. As far as this substance being able to take you on a astral trip, I do not believe that it can do that. I think it takes you on a mind trip and nothing more. I had used it several times, had the "break through" that they talk about several times and I can tell you that it isn't an Astral plane, nothing like that. Just a visionary state of mind, often without the ability to know who you are while it is happening. Since I believe that we are all connected in this universe, all parts of it, I suppose it is possible that there is more to it than just a psychedlic hallucinogenic experience, maybe, but for the most part I do not think so. I stopped using it a year ago, it was the first and last entheogen or drug I had ever used.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND ITS USE. If you want to know why, read this: http://www.sagewisdom.org/caution.html -  However, If your going to mess with this stuff I would rather see someone make their own than get ripped off by these online vendors selling it for 50 dollars a gram.

Here is a link to extraction notes for Salvia Divinorum: http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000965

Here is a link to some awesome photographs of Salvinorin crystals, rare photographs, one of two sites that has anything at all and these are by far the best:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/salvinorin2003/lst?&.dir=/IPA+Extractions+at+Room+Temp./Salvinorin+Crystals&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/salvinorin2003/lst%3f%26.dir=/IPA%2bExtractions%2bat%2bRoom%2bTemp./Salvinorin%2bCrystals%26.src=ph%26.view=t

[goingslow]

One reason I dont like topics lke these it brings on a lot of  misconceptions about Salvia.

"if u want explore using drugs get some skunk. "

First of all if you're looking for a legal form of marijuana keep looking.  A few companies have marketed this stuff as being just that but that part is a sham. It is nothing like marijuana and you dont get a "high" from it.  Not the kind associated with mj or anything like it.

I got the 5x extract two years ago and a bag of the regular leaves.  For the leaves you have to smoke a huge amount to get an effect but obviously not for the 5x.

I still haven't smoked all of the 5x and there was maybe 1 gram to start with.  Its nothing like a high and its not recreational.  The first time i took it i was rolling around on the couch because I WAS a beam of light from the TV.  There was nothing more I wanted to do in life but roll back and forth with the rays.  Sound fun?  Its really not.

The reason I haven't taken any more of it is I dont understand it.  I dont understand what was happening but i wasn't my self.  Its not a substitute really for OBE's because you.. (at least most people on it) dont have a clear consciousness of who you are and what you're doing.  Ive read people who have taken it and experienced being a tree.  The thing is you believe you're a tree or a ray of light etc.  The plant obviously has some type of power but its abused like any other.  Its marketed saying it does things it doesn't and its used for kids who want "legal marijuana".  

Like i said i still have most of it in my drawer and I have no desire to take any for a while longer. NOt because it doesn't work but because right now I cant get anything out of it, Im not really "ready".  If it was weed and I still smoked that it would be gone.  That high is "fun" etc.. I suggest you read some of the testimonials at www.erowid.com.  Most of them really describe how weird the plant is.  It

s a powerful plant and it isnt a "scam" because it did nothing for you.  do research before you buy a product and take X amount of it.  

[sublime]

I have a friend that is really into drugs and their effects on the body/mind etc... (aka a smart drug user (if there is one it's him)) anyways, he grew his own salvia and claimed that he took about 5 hits out of a bong and it did nothing the first couple times (like pot actually) and then the real experiences came.

he said that the next two times he did it, he was in his garage and his moms car was in the garage the first time. he claimed that he "morphed" into the car and actually WAS the car, viewing the garage from the car's p.o.v. THAT freaked me out yet kept me interested.

he said that the next time he took it, the car was not in the garage and after about 5 hits on the bong again he experienced viewing what he described as "various planes of gravity"? he said that they were somewhat like grids and they started to move causing it to look like the floor was moving to the side wall and he was going to be upside down. so he was actually clawing against the concrete floor so he wouldnt fall. (he had a friend stay and monitor him) also, he said it only lasts for maybe 10 mins, which definitely sounds like a plus to me. and "coming down" is more like just coming back to reality and not a bad experience either.

i'd like to try it sometime but for good reasons. (not to just get f'ed up) anyways, there are tons of posts on this site about this drug, not many people have actually shared their experiences though.

[PeacefulWarrior]

For a number of years, unfortunately, I abused drugs and alcohol.  During this time I still maintained good (and even exceptional) grades in school, but behind the scenes I was being torn to pieces by my obsession to find enlightenment and happiness in drugs.

That is, of course, something I left behind me...and I can't say there hasn't been some (although very few) positive experiences during that time in my life.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that as a prelude to what I am about to say:

Drugs are a dead end...and they are often used by those looking for an easy way out.  For every 1 person, for example, who can conservatively and safely smoke marijuana and maintain a healthy social life and career, there are 10,000 people who blow all of their money smoking weed and end up abusing dangerous, physically addictive drugs.  No matter how many times people tell others this, those who want to are going to continue to rationalize and justify drug abuse.  And don't get me wrong, I am not pointing fingers only at pot smokers (and I was one for a LONG time), I also point the finger at those who abuse prescription drugs, fatty/sugary foods and alcohol.  

Salvia Divinorum- I have ingested 10X extract and I did have an "experience," as I said in the other post on this subject, and it was highly unpleasant for me and I did not have any sort of OBE or otherwise beneficial experience.  I do not recommend this drug to anyone.  But hey, it seems safe and I don't know anyone who steadily abuses it because compared to, say, a fat bowl of some high quality marijuana (aka: KGB- killer green bud) it is not pleasant.

[Nick]

I would take a look at pages 373 and 374 of Astral Dynamics. I think what Robert Bruce says makes a lot of sense: "The only cases I have come across where projectors have had seriously bad experiences with lower subplanes involved hallucinogenic drugs being used to precipitate out-of-body experiences. Drugs, while capable of causing out-of-body experiences, sidestep the required skills and abilities necessary for safe conscious-exit projections. This breaks many natural laws concerning projection while artificially overcoming many natural safeguards and barriers. Natural barriers are there to protect the novice from operating in dimensional areas they are not equipped to experience."

Very best,

[Psypunk]

I am a big fan of salvia, but I don't think that it goes well with OBE's.  Ephedra helps me a lot with OBE's.  You can buy it at any truck stop usually.   Be sure to read all the cautions on the box before taking it though. When my body is very tired, I take either a half of one or one, and then do OBE exercises.  It helps your mind stay awake as your body goes to sleep.  You might want to take a half of one to start out with just to get a feel for it.  It is totally legal as well.  (in my state it is at least).  the OBE's don't usually last as long, but it is easier to enter into them.  If your body isn't tired at all, then it won't work...you'll just have lots of energy.  

[goingslow]

I REALLY hope you're not taking ephedra in order to help with OBE's.  That is the most misused and mis understood drug out there.  You dont know you'll have a reaction to it or your body cant take it until it kills you.  It had real purposes in chinese medicine before people who wanted to make money took advantage of the fact they dont have to meet federal guidlines and they can market it as an energy pill or a way to lose weight.

So many people have died from that drug. that is not harmless "experimenting" buy weed before you take that stuff.  Im not recommending you take cocaine but coke is less harmful than that crap.  
If you do take it whatever you do make sure the one you take doesn't have caffeine.  Thats the combination that has led to the most deaths.  Especially if you're a teen i'd strongly advise you to trash them.

[goingslow]

here are some links you might want to read about ephedra:

http://mastervault.com/leflawnet/ephedrine/
http://www.yourlawyer.com/practice/news.htm?story_id=3734&topic=Metabolife
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/columnists/jeff_gelles/5262880.htm
http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/effects.html

[Grenade01]

Speak for yourself

Ive gone many places on Salvia
Ive had many OBE's

I have no idea if my salvia trips were obe's or not
they are bizzare and really feel different than an OBE..
They could be, and they are definately interesting, but ...I dunno... its really not the same... or even usefull...its just kind of neat


I just posted in another salvia thread like 2 minutes ago
look up that post..i talked all about one of my trips and what not

[Grenade01]

And also...
Euphedra...
That stuff makes my heart beat irregularly
I think I would definately rather snort a little cocaine then that stuff...
ugh

nasty icky yucky stuff

[Ashfo]

quote:Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior



For every 1 person, for example, who can conservatively and safely smoke marijuana and maintain a healthy social life and career, there are 10,000 people who blow all of their money smoking weed and end up abusing dangerous, physically addictive drugs.  

That's such an outrageous exaggeration it's not funny. Most marijuana smokers will try it once or twice, find it average and stop. It is only consistent smokers, and then only a small percentage of them, that take harder drugs. And simply from your own personal experiences you cannot say that they lead to a dead end. Psychiatrists have used LSD in an extremely positive way in helping people deal with cancers and other mental illnesses. Harder drugs help people open their minds... I would say many people who consider themselves "spiritual" were affected largely in their choice by drugs. Making a blanket statement like that is unfair to those who you might be discouraging from drug use.

As for Salvia, there is no way that it wont effect you if you take enough of it. It is an extremely powerful drug... and the difference between APing and using it I would say is the fact of intoxication. Most drugs intoxicate, whereas when you AP consciously your mind is in a clear state.


Ashfo

[LJ57]

I once took ephedra for weight loss and I will never do it again. My heart raced and I sweated profusely even with the temperature cool. Even GNC stores are finally getting it off their shelves. For OBE enhancement I like to take a tincture of passionflower and chamomile. It's safe and helps you relax just enough.

[Grenade01]

Hey Ashfo! I remember you..

Yeah I totally agree with you ... I know probably around 10 or so people who smoke marijuana and only one of my friends really wastes rediculous amounts of money and time on it.  
I myself don't like marijuana...



By the way... reguarding the comment above about cocaine...
Just to make sure you guys read that correctly... I don't snort cocaine...or do any stimulants besides good ole caffeine =)  I was just agreeing that ephedra is bad stuff.

[koshka]

First I'll suggest a couple of sites from among the many on the Web: www.salvia-dininorum.net and www.lucid-dragon.com .  Any OBE experiences with this substance?  Australia has the credit of being the only nation presently of outlawing SD.