Is the speed of light constant between galaxies?

[sunshaker]

"I" believe our universe dropped through from a higher dimension, and is now expanding in lower dimensional space, lower dimensional space is rushing into our universe, galaxies form in pockets where our higher d energies are deposited forming galaxies,

If this is right our galaxy is in a pocket of lower dimensional space, but between galaxies, "space" would still be higher dimensional(dark matter), being infused with lower dimensional space, if all energies and materials came from the higher dimension, then would light (photons) slow down going through these energies or would light bend around "dark matter" and follow its contours and nothing is where we believe(outside of our galaxy)?.HALL OF MIRRORS - SCATTERED PICTURES.
If 80-90% of universe is "dark matter" and light does not interact but bends around "dark matter" there would be alot of bending, so are the galaxies where we really think they are?
Which in turn would mean if we could ever fly through "dark matter" as the crow flys, we could reach a destination before light, that travels a long and winding path around dark matter which would be a long detour if dark matter makes up 80-90% of universe.

Or does light slow down while passing through dark matter like it does through glass, retaininng its light speed once it as passed through?

Would this also mean that neutrinos cannot travel faster than light but they can travel straighter than light, and pass through dark matter?

Is there any proof of light speed between galaxies?

I was wondering if we could or already have aim a seperated group of lasers into deep space and measure any change of distance between each laser as they interact with dark matter?

[Xanth]

So far, the speed of light in any point within this galaxy has been shown to be equal.
Except for the questionable experiments they've been doing at CERN (or was it that other particle accelorator?) back at the end of last year... we haven't found much data that shows light moves at anything other than light speed.

To directly answer your question:  No... I don't think there is any proof of the speed of light between galaxies.  Doesn't mean there isn't any, I'm just not aware of it.  LoL

What follows is my opinion:
You're seemingly trying to apply a multi-dimensional concept to our single physical dimension.  I don't think this is possible... this physical reality is but a single "space" among an infinite number of "spaces".  But the whole of THIS physical reality is relatively uniform... we just haven't figured out what all those uniform rules are yet.  "Dark matter" isn't even proved to exist... they just think it does because it's the only way to explain their models of the universe.  This is poor science... you more "ifs" you have to create in order to give your model plausibility actually makes it LESS plausible.  lol

This sounds like something Beavis should be answering...

[sunshaker]

Dark matter found between galaxies http://www.space.com/16412-dark-matter-filament-galaxy-clusters.html  using gravitional lensing. And as you say "poor science" if the science we base everything on cannot explain 80-90% of universe. Where as what i have put forward in this and my other post Alpha Omega http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_quantum_physics/alphaomega_a_universe_in_freefall-t38372.0.html tries to answer this unknown.
As the article says using the effects of "gravitational lensing", light is always being bent, nothing is where it appears to be, all measurements to galaxies are wrong. we only see the end result of this lensing, many galaxies will be nearer many will be much further away, it is one of the reasons we see old and new galaxies together.

[Xanth]

Realize what that means... they haven't *found* anything.  They found something that fits their mathematical models.  It doesn't mean "dark matter" actually exists.

But I'm also not saying it doesn't exist, but what they're finding is based entirely upon what they're looking for.  Get my drift?
I'm just trying to get you to consider that today's science isn't all that it's cracked up to be. 

They're not looking for something which they don't think exists.  This is the folly of today's science, it's not open-minded in the slightest and people who don't have a clue look to articles like that and say "SEE!!", when in actuality the article misuses the term "discovery" in order to persuade people that they actually found something.

And thank you for that link, it was still pretty fascinating and cool, none-the-less. 

EDIT: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_quantum_physics/interesting_theory_of_gravity-t38754.0.html  <-- and here we're discussing gravity.  We don't even know what gravity is or how it works.  So, I pose the question: How can we use something we don't understand how it works in order to find something that we're guessing at existing?  Science is funny like that.

[Bedeekin]

Dark matter has just been hypothesised because of the absence of something that isn't there that should be there.

I recently read 'A brief History of Time'... and when I got to the end.. I was left pretty empty realising that they pretty much know very little and also it was utterly unimaginative. Does anyone else find this?

Also read Bill Bryson "A Short History Of Nearly Everything"... as well as being a book that EVERYONE should read... it really puts it all in a nutshell... in that we really know very little about almost everything.

Dark matter can't be recorded, seen or measured (only by the absence of matter)... I personally think they could spend the money better... the same goes for CERN. Imagine what they could spend the money on. Maybe homes for the hundreds of thousands of people in Haiti who still live in the makeshift plastic bag covered shelters they were moved to back in 2010. Sorry... I was heavily into quantum physics and now find it utterly ridiculous. lol

Theoretical physicist don't really know what they are dealing with.. .so I doubt little 'wow' articles on the internet are going to help the average person understand it.

"Is the speed of light constant between galaxies?"

I personally haven't got a clue! 

The Hubble constant is very interesting... that states that the universe is expanding... and appears to get faster the further away it is from us. I had a funny thought that maybe it's not expanding but that matter is shrinking. 

[Szaxx]

Sunshaker, for some interesting reads search for the wave structure of matter and spherical standing waves. After that anti matter and its properties.
It will hopefully answer some of the above.
Re speed of light. Its constant because the medium it travels through has permittivity and permeability this gives it an impedance which is around 400 ohms. This fact is what dictates the wavelengths and frequencies are matched respecting each other. However a high electric charge in this medium changes its parameters. With this in mind and EMF waves at specific angles the antigravity effects seem to appear. John Hutchison is a name to search on.
Enjoy.

[sunshaker]

The Hubble constant is very interesting... that states that the universe is expanding... and appears to get faster the further away it is from us. I had a funny thought that maybe it's not expanding but that matter is shrinking.  

This is along lines of how i see gravity,
As i see all matter and energies as being "higher dimensional" and the space we are expanding into as lower dimensional, so matter is always trying to fall in to its centre, collapsing in on its self,  trying to get back to the higher dimension. this gives matter form.( similar to recompressing a spring ).
But it is only when there is enough mass of matter "The Omega" that it can collapse "fold" back into the higher dimension once again.
So could this also mean dark matter is basically ions, atoms waiting to be filled by electrons by the process of the expanding universe, and when filled with electrons they give of "gamma ray energy" resulting in gamma ray bursts?

[sunshaker]

As i see it, light behaves in certain ways, as the Double Slit experiement shows,
So when light comes into contact with dark matter, it becomes both a wave and a particle, the wave is bent around the dark matter, which we see as gravitational lensing,
but the particle will go through the dark matter, but will also leave our frame of reference, follow the particle and its speed would not change from c, only the space it travels through,
it would eventually pass through dark matter, we would see this first as a red or blue shift as it slowly emerges(from our perspective), and continues on it way,once again as a particle and a wave.
Never knowing it had passed through any medium,
where as the wave had passed around the dark matter thousands, millions, or billions of years before, depending upon the mass of the dark matter,(photon twin paradox).

[Szaxx]

Have you ever thought?
Matter as we know it attracts via mass/gravity.
If this dark matter is anti matter then all its properties would be opposite to what we know. Light would be pushed away unlike near a black hole.
Also it would repel from matter forming pockets in what we would assume empty space. This would allow its existance, our known matter would have a reason to exist as this proposal would keep things in equilibrium. If they ever met they would instantly annihilate each other. The physics books assume this as fact...

[sunshaker]

Nice thought Szaxx,
If dark matter is anti matter, matter and light would be pushed away,
but also light(photons) are in effect there own anti particle, which would mean when a photon comes into contact with dark matter it would be both a photon and an anti photon, the photon would be pushed away in the opposite direction and the anti-photon which would then pass through dark matter.
Which then leaves the process of turning anti matter into "common matter", which is the result of the stretching and tearing of dark matter as our universe continues to expand in lower d space.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
If antimatter changed into matter they would annihilate.
I cant see light having this property. Its basically a travelling wave.
It may be another unknown particle or something the scientists postulate needs a reality check.
Even when they're wrong they're right. It takes time for some to realise that the overall ruleset they make needs another look at.
Remember Einstein. Even he added to his relativity theory as it wasn't so relative in certain special conditions.

[sunshaker]

I agree, but "if" dark matter is "anti matter" it is still in a different space time, only when it unfolds or ripped by the expanding universe does it come into contact with our space/time,
This annihilation of matter would continue all over the universe within dark matter, the energies/materials would be swept along by the continous inflow of lower d space rushing in, depositing these as gamma ray bursts.
Dark matter is the fuel of our universe. One day it will be all gone. changed to common matter, and all space will then be uniform.

I still like the thought of antiphotons, which i could see passing through dark matter, but there is still much to think on,

[sunshaker]

After looking into neutron stars, and considering how far our universe as expanded in this "lower dimensional space",  
I have come to see the similarities between Dark Matter and the centre of neutron stars(At this present time of expansion), i believe they are both made of "quark gluon plasma",
Were the neutrons collaspsing mass contains this "quark gluon plasma",
Dark matter contains its "quark gluon plasma" by its property of folded space, Which is released as the universe continues to expand, and dark matter is stretched and ripped.
Allowing this quark gluon plasma to form neutrons/protons/electrons.

[Szaxx]

Its a possibility, after all the goings on in the centre of a galaxy are unknown and new planets, suns etc are being generated its still beyond the known sciences.
The supposed black hole has a massive energy reserve, is it really a black hole?

[sunshaker]

The supposed black hole has a massive energy reserve, is it really a black hole?

I believe black holes are the process of evenning out our expanding universe(vortexs), after a super nova the surrounding space is inflated, so a black hole forms to move these extra energies to different parts of the universe, which we see as gamma ray bursts,
Also as the universe expands as (lower dimensional space rushes in), and energies are released by the stretching and ripping of dark matter, these are also deposited through black holes, into pockets where stars and galaxies eventually form.
This is why black holes sometimes expell as well as consume.
The longer this process goes on, the less dark matter there is to hold the universe in its expansion, that is why the universe expansion is now speeding up.

[Bedeekin]

I often thought... wouldn't it be funny if when something leaves a galaxy... it just automatically ZIPPPPS to the next one.. or even the next star system.

That solar systems and/or galaxies are discreet pockets of space and matter that only appear to be separated by vast distances.... maybe that dark matter is actually a void.

[sunshaker]

I often thought... wouldn't it be funny if when something leaves a galaxy... it just automatically ZIPPPPS to the next one.. or even the next star system.

That solar systems and/or galaxies are discreet pockets of space and matter that only appear to be separated by vast distances.... maybe that dark matter is actually a void.

This is somewhat how i see it, solar systems and galaxies are pockets of lower d space, filled now with common matter, dark matter(voids) is a web of quark gluon plasma in folded space, making up 80-90% of universe, so light coming to us from distant or not so distant galaxies would be like twins setting out on a journey,
One twin walks around a mountain while the other twin slowly digs through the mountain, we lose sight of the twin going through the mountain but he eventually emerges long after the first twin that walked around, but this is the light we eventually see(AND TAKE OUR MEASUREMENTS FROM) has it as been focused by this tunneling effect (WHY DISTANT OBJECTS ARE NOT BLURRED), BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE HAS TAKEN 100S-1000 OF LIGHT YEARS TO GO THROUGH, WHAT IS IN FACT ONLY A FEW LIGHT YEARS TO GO AROUND. while the twin/light that went around reaches us first but as been mostly distorted and scattered by all the gravitational forces.

[Bedeekin]

This must have been posited or theorised by the brightest and the best... surely.

[Szaxx]

D Did you know that Tesla has developed a clock that keeps perfect time even if the local impedance if the aether is changed by electomagnetics for example. This time dilation occurs in our viewpoint if energised. A standard precision timepiece is placed in the field we see that displayed time is slower than that of an identical standard placed outside the field. Once the field is switched off the two timepieces revert to the identical original time displayed.
There's a report in a gazette from the 1920's with a photo showing a large metal cylinder and what looks like a cell phone of today on the ground. I think this experiment was fatal for the traveller.
The photo was scrutinised and declared as original by some authority.
The time dilation experiment is found on the J.L. Naudin site.
Look for the time energy project (TEP).
Not sure if a link to the story is available. Will look later.

[Bedeekin]

Nice article just come out that I think may be pertinent to this discussion.

Voyager 1 is hitting a magnetic highway as it leaves our solar system.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/voyager-1-new-region-space-magnetic-highway-nasa_n_2231827.html

[sunshaker]

Nice article just come out that I think may be pertinent to this discussion.

Voyager 1 is hitting a magnetic highway as it leaves our solar system.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/voyager-1-new-region-space-magnetic-highway-nasa_n_2231827.html

I have been waiting for voyager 1 to leave our solar system "bubble", as i thought there would be a few surprises, as i mentioned in another post http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_quantum_physics/alphaomega_a_universe_in_freefall-t38372.0.html, it looks like we might not be disappointed, and this will only be galactic space, which is its own "bubble", but still it will open new doors for the science community, who sometimes need to be pushed through those doors,

They say you cannot teach an "old dog" new tricks, but i think voyager 1 and 2 will.

I suppose there will not be many of us left if and when they leave the galactic bubble and enter intergalactic space, but when they do, I will post an update

I also think it is the right time to send another craft/probe with the soul purpose to leave our solar system, with the instruments to properly analyse all the data that it encounters.

I just hope voyager will be able to continue transmitting data once it leaves our solar system, and enters the denser energy of galatic space.
There will be a denser barrier where the two spaces meet.(galatic space pushing against our solar space).  

[Pauli2]

...If dark matter is anti matter, matter and light would be pushed away...

No.

Dark matter can't be anti-matter as:

1. Anti-matter can be detected in a similar way to regular matter.
2. Over time regular matter would become destroyed by anti-matter, the galaxies would be gone.

Also:

3. Dark matter is not electrically charged (as is some antimatter like the positron and negatron).

The last point is important as it results in regular matter forming into discs
in the shape of spiral galaxies. Dark matter will instead form into cigar shapes,
following the axis of the galaxy. This has been assumed by the reason that
when to galaxies merge, or one small galaxy gets swallowed by a bigger
galaxy, the smaller galaxy gets gravitationally drawn to the bigger galaxy
in a way which indicates that the main bulk of mass is along the bigger
galaxy's axis (and the centre of course).

If the speed of light between galaxies changes, some kind of property of the
photons surroundings would have to cause that change. I guess that would
have to be some long range effect which is not really matter related, or
if it is, matter would have to changes its long range effect in some kind of
very odd way, which we can't detect by measurements on our nearest
galaxies, like Andromeda.