Separation troubles.

[Captain A.]

This morning I was working on projecting, and I nearly got it.

I found myself in sleep paralysis and started working on getting out. I tried rolling out, getting up, levitating, etc. The rope technique was interesting. I could feel the strain on my arms and back as I tried to pull. Unfortunately, I didn't get anywhere. It was as if I was pulling the rope towards me as opposed to pulling myself up. I was moving in the same manor I would make my physical body move, which I now see the flaw in; I figure that's why I feel so restricted.

How do you move, then? Is it based on thinking yourself through it? Any particular methods? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm too close to give up! =)

[Astralsuzy]

When I used to get sp I had trouble getting out of my body.  I kept practicing and as I got more confident the easier it got. 

[Lionheart]

 Hello Captain A.! 

Check out these extremely helpful Stickies written by Bedeekin, Szaxx and Contenteo here. You will found them rather useful.

  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/sleep_paralysis_the_whats_whys_and_wherefores-t38734.0.html


  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html

[Bedeekin]

How do you move, then? Is it based on thinking yourself through it? Any particular methods? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm too close to give up! =)

No... it feels very physical. VERY PHYSICAL. It can feel so physical that some people think they are just moving and it isn't working. It's quite astounding and surprising how ultra real it feels.

It is very difficult to describe how you 'move' nonphysically. Describe to me how you move normally... without using the words physically, muscle, nerves, ligaments and the term 'feels like'.

[Szaxx]

One morning last week I woke up and picked up my phone to see the time. It also gives the day and date. I was sitting up in bed and it read Sunday. January 1st...
I thought damn I've only got a couple of days holiday left. Then immediately woke up again and noticed the wardrobe darker in colour. So I picked up the phone again and it displayed Saturday....
I got up and realised I had a false awakening. EVERYTHING appeared perfect, the noises, the feelings, the weight and display (wallpaper) on the phone. The wardrobe has been stained recently and its new.
There's no way of recognising the difference in physicality of things. I've not experienced this since the late 1960's.
Wow, the reality of the non reality is unreal.
A seperation happened and I had absolutely no idea until seconds later.
I've been glitched too.
Wider reality not wide-a-wake.

[Lionheart]

No... it feels very physical. VERY PHYSICAL. It can feel so physical that some people think they are just moving and it isn't working. It's quite astounding and surprising how ultra real it feels.

It is very difficult to describe how you 'move' nonphysically. Describe to me how you move normally... without using the words physically, muscle, nerves, ligaments and the term 'feels like'.

I always call it the Phantom Limb Syndrome. It seems like you are actually moving your arms or legs in this Physical Reality. But you KNOW you aren't, so this is just another thing you need "passively observe"!  

[Bedeekin]

I'm starting to wonder if there aren't different ways of doing when entering through phasing or SP.

When in SP if you passively lay there observing nothing actually happens. People commonly report things like "I was in SP and I layed there waiting... nothing happened what do I do?" and in my own experience... nothing actually happens. The SP just cycles into waves of progressively stronger crescendos of sensation or the window closes and normality returns.

I think that when experiencing SP one has to make some sort of effort of will into actively separating otherwise the SP will either become intolerable or fizzle away.

All the times I have separated during SP it has been a very involved active and sometimes (but rarely) aggressive effort. Like floating out... sitting up... turning over... reaching up for the rope... rubbing hands together etc. However... when phasing this would not work and is a totally different mechanism to achieve the same ends no doubt.

SP is like being dropped in the ocean - you have to swim.

Phasing or meditation is more like lying on the beach waiting for the tide to reach you to gently pull you in.

I'm coming to the conclusion that even Tom Campbell doesn't know this.. he's only experienced SP once and he didn't like it. SHOCK HORROR!! how dare I?

[Lionheart]

 I find myself in SP quite a bit now, via my Laxman. Other people that now own it here will understand what I mean. But, I work through it and await my intended scenario to appear, then I am in the scene.

It could be a mild form of SP, but after I do a session with the Laxman, I find it hard to move. When I do attempt to move, the vibrations get even stronger.

Somehow that device has the ability to launch you into SP extremely fast. Could it be because it takes up 100% of your focus and tricks your mind into thinking you are deep asleep or could it be due to the fact that you are moving through Beta, Alpha, Theta and Delta modes so quickly?

I would love to see more research on this!

Note: This is not an advertisement for the Laxman and I am not receiving any compensation of any kind for my comments. Thank You!  

[Bedeekin]

Actually... SP hits fast under normal circumstances. It isn't at all like meditation.

If I try to meditate when I am primed for SP I instantly slip into SP. After a while you get loosy goosy with SP and it becomes activated by association.. basically thinking about it.

I'm glad that somewhere we are coming to an understanding of SP and phasing. It needs it.. because the two are quite different in their approach that lead to the same conclusion.

It could be a mild form of SP, but after I do a session with the Laxman, I find it hard to move. When I do attempt to move, the vibrations get even stronger.

Yes... this is actually the KEY sentence in your post that jumps out at me. That is the staccato sensation of your depolarised neurones kicking in as you try to communicate with your physical muscles. SP is a 'dual state' after all. When you move non-physically the motion is as fluid as normal movement without the vibrations. Like I said it's so hard to describe.

I have described it using so many metaphors. One is that moving non-physically when in SP is like trying to close a door very very quietly; one pushes on the door knob/handle while pulling at the same time. It is akin to this... you are disengaging your physical and allowing your nonphysical to do the (imagined) action.

Also... I have often explained it as deliberate imagined movement.

When you do it again Lionheart... just for the sake of experimentation... try the rubbing your hands together and blowing on them. Just bring your hands up... don't think about how... just do. How fun.

It's actually quite interesting that you mentioned brain wave entrainment as being the possible source of SP. I have often thought this because of the normal and common need to nap or have experienced non-REM slow wave sleep prior to inducing it. As if the 'nap' takes one through the waves... and upon waking leaves one in a certain brain wave pattern i.e. on the brink of REM sleep. So returning back to bed and taking the simple step of attempting to sleep results in a slip into conscious REM atonia. The slow waves have already been experienced... but during the 'nap'.

It would be interesting to nail the particular wave mode that instigates the SP.

[Lionheart]

When you do it again Lionheart... just for the sake of experimentation... try the rubbing your hands together and blowing on them. Just bring your hands up... don't think about how... just do. How fun.

It's funny that you asked this Bedeekin. Yesterday I did my first Laxman session in about a month, due to my Mall Kiosk taking up all my time and focus. I saw my hands right in front of me and could almost feel the cool breeze as I blew on them.

I have experimented many times with getting up and going to kitchen or outdoors while doing a Session. it all depends on my mood at the time. Sometimes I just like to lay back and allow the program to direct where I go or what i see.

I want to be proficient someday in OBE and Phasing. I know they both lead to the NPR, but I want to have multiple ways of getting there.

[Szaxx]

If in SP, you find yourself locked from making physical movements, would a strong intent to get to a predetermined safe place/area be a very successful idea?
Attacked fast, strike fast approach.

[Bedeekin]

I don't know. I think my predetermined 'safe' place was away from my physical. That may be what got me to separate in the first place.

I don't see why not. You can use metaphors for banishing the nastyness.. or rather I have read about people say that they surrounded themselves in white light and love etc.

But saying that as soon as I personally flip into the state I'm outta there, to coin a better phrase.

[Szaxx]

Hmmm.
Im beginning to wonder if I have actually met this before. No paralysis at all but the descriptions from yourself and various authors seem to fit the 'nights of distress' I had long ago.
I take its appearance as random and would be unpleasant (understatement of the year) to a young mind.

[Bedeekin]

Night of Distress!! lol

I love it.

Maybe. When I first got it I was terrified.. and the second... 3rd... 50th time.

[Szaxx]

Yep,
A rollercoaster to hell is still an underestimation.
When the fear gets resolved and an understanding is made the worlds open up in style.
Around 3 long years...
Not knowing, no help, everyone as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
You know this one too.
Up until the first 'holiday in hell' there was nothing preventing an exit, I simply thought I'm going to .... and usually went there. Intent through utter determination.
It was the not knowing when that stung.
If that sounds like SP then It BITES.