A very easy OBE technique that needs some fine tuning

[todd421757]

 

[Astralsuzy]

Thank you for reminding me.  I will get into the habit of trying it.  I have forgotten all about it.  I will try tonight.

[Lionheart]

 Has anyone tried this technique lately and if you have what were your results?

I forgot all about it myself. I was doing this up to the time I stopped consciously Phasing for a month.

It seemed to be working well for others here though! 

[Astralsuzy]

I think it is great todd that you made this post.  To be honest I have not put a lot of time into it.  When I go to bed I want to sleep.  One time I did make an effort.  I imagined something but the problem was I fell asleep.  I think it is too hard to do if you are tired.  It is still worth trying.  I do not believe in giving up.  If it does not happen it does not happen.  There is no harm done.  There is another way I thought might work but you still have to be very concentrated.  I tried it but I fell asleep.  I have to really concentrate.  The technique is to count, say 1 to 10.  If you are forgetting to count then you know you are falling asleep.  When you realise you are falling asleep you wake yourself up and start again.  I have not been that disciplined to do it yet.  I am hoping I will be in time.  My goal is to ap whenever I want to.  One time my goal was to be able to ap once a night.  I can do that now if I do not mess it up. 

[M4RT1N]

One time my goal was to be able to ap once a night.  I can do that now if I do not mess it up. 

That's my goal right now.

When you realise you are falling asleep you wake yourself up and start again. 

how exactly do i wake myself up ? do i have to get up or can i just open my eyes and try it again ?

[Lionheart]

 Last night I had multiple Lucid Dreams using this technique. Every time I awoke back in this reality, I would immediately implement the technique again and find myself in a Lucid Dream once more.

The main part I focused on though was keeping my awareness on the 6 Vehram points outside of my body. At first I used a combination of counting from 1-20 and then back down from 20-1 and while holding my awareness on the 6 points. But when I kept awaking repeatedly, I could only just focus on the Vehram points before I fell back to sleep again.

I must have had at least 5 completely different Lucid Dreams last night. Each one had something special to offer. Believe it or not, one of them contained a fantastic foot massage, while maintaining a Lucid Awareness in the dream state and the physical (lying in bed) at the same time. This one was the hardest to understand.

[Astralsuzy]

That's my goal right now.

how exactly do i wake myself up ? do i have to get up or can i just open my eyes and try it again ?

You can just open your eyes and try again.  Everyone is different so do what is best for you.  Some people need to wake up a bit otherwise they will fall asleep.  If I was feeling like that I would get up and go on the computer, watch TV or walk around for a short while until you feel that you are not too sleepy.  If I felt I was not tired I would close my eyes and try again.  The most important thing to do is to concentrate.  I fell asleep this morning.  Today I have been reminding myself to ap and concentrate.  Hopefully it will stay in my mind tomorrow morning and I will succeed.  I usually do succeed when I remind myself.  If you cannot concentrate you will most likely not ap as you could fall asleep.  When you do not ap it can be disappointing and frustrating.  I do not let it worry me now I just keep trying.

[justin35ll]

I tried this technique last night as I was going to bed around 12:30 - 1am. I didn't have any experiences at that time or any lucid dreams throughout the night, but this morning I woke up at 9:30am and rolled over to check the clock. Then I closed my eyes to go back to sleep. I didn't remember to try and do this technique or any technique at all, but I quickly and easily fell into SP and exited my body. I had a short OBE where I was in my house and then it faded and I was laying in blackness in my bed. This happened 2 more times in a row until I decided to stop and record the experiences.

So was it a coincidence that I used that technique last night? Maybe, I'm not sure, but I'll give it another shot for sure

[teagueblue]

I tried this last night and felt like I was getting something. I was on cold medicine though and couldn't maintain awareness without falling asleep. Plan on trying it again tonight.

[Astralsuzy]

I tried for a few nights in a row.  I think I am getting there but not there yet.  I will try again tonight. 

[Projector4life]

I have been trying this technique for two weeks now. I have finally had my first projection. I tried each of the 4 positions. The one that worked for me was the bottom one. After focusing on my awareness on that point, I felt myself move rapidly downward through the length of the body.

The only part I do not understand is I felt like a pinpoint of consciousness that moved downward and out. I was not aware of an energy body.

[proyect_outzone]

The only part I do not understand is I felt like a pinpoint of consciousness that moved downward and out. I was not aware of an energy body.

The reason is a result of these physical laws:

(1.1.7.4.2.1) The shape of the astral body can be defined. This includes these examples: Size, flexibility, proportions, number of arms, gender,... All "physical" properties of the astral body can be modified.

(1.1.7.4.3.2) Problems at the beginning of an out of body experience. The properties of the astral body must be defined. Properties, which are not defined, does not exist. Without a sufficient definition of the senses and abilities the astral body is not able to do or perceive anything. When one relaxes to try to make an out of body experience, one concentrates not on the own physical body. But one does often also not concentrate on any senses or abilities. During the sleep or the application of out of body experience methods (exit phase) is only a part of the functions and memories of the brain available. The astral body gets automatically only this part of functions and memories. The lack of this definitions causes, that one begins the out of body experience without or with insufficient abilities. One can not see much and one can only hardly move. If this happens, one needs to concentrate on proper definitions to get the abilities (viewing, moving, concentration and memories....). Then one gets the full abilities.

During this method one concentrates on an point. An point like astral body can be a possible result. The shape can also be changed later.

[Astralzombie]

I tried this and I have to say that this may be what I have been looking for. I have been looking for a method that puts me in to the RTZ consistently. These are the OOBE's that I have the least of my physical senses but my awareness of the reality is identical to this one.

But alas, I have the same problem with the short duration. I know they are so short because I enter the RTZ and leave it with the same awareness of time passing. In other words, I lay down at 10 pm and think 15 minutes have passed until I phase. I feel as if I phased for a couple of minutes and when it's over, I check the clock, I'm never far off. My lack of sight vision is not a problem yet in these type's of OOBE's because I just instinctively know my surroundings. Usually it's my room but it has been other real places here. In fact, it's never even a concern in the moment though I am aware of it.

edit: I should say that I'm not quite sure what my energy body is but I just visualize myself standing next to my bed. I did this successfully twice last night. I attempted to visualize myself next to someone elses bed , but was not able to. My intentions were most honorable (in less than honorable minds anyhow).

[Projector4life]

The reason is a result of these physical laws:

During this method one concentrates on an point. An point like astral body can be a possible result. The shape can also be changed later.

Thanks. This makes more sense now. I am liking this method since I don't need sleep paralysis or the vibrations.

[Lionheart]

 I still use the 6 Vehram points when I do this. I use those Vehram points in my meditations as well. Focusing on them immediately starts the onset of vibrations.

I am happy to hear your success stories with this method. Todd would be as well! 

[Mr.PumperNickle]

I still use the 6 Vehram points when I do this. I use those Vehram points in my meditations as well. Focusing on them immediately starts the onset of vibrations.

I am happy to hear your success stories with this method. Todd would be as well! 

Are Vehram points like Chakra Points?

[Lionheart]

 They wouldn't be considered Chakra points because they are all outside of the physical body.

They are more like aligning points of your external energy bubble.

You can read more about them here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_vehram_system_is_truly_brilliant-t29333.0.html

[Astralzombie]

Lion, I completely understand the logic of not detailing the authors work and theories on how to use this energy array since he needs to generate money through his books to continue researching this further.

But Hopkins personally says, and I believe him, that money is not the motivation behind his work. In that respect, why not tell us. I have read all of his posts and he brilliantly avoids telling us how to use it.

Or did I ignorantly miss it?

Spill the beans ol' chap.

[Astralsuzy]

I have been practicing lately but I keep falling asleep.  Yesterday I concentrated on being awake.  I did not ap and I did not fall asleep.  I can mostly ap after I have had some sleep.  My goal is to be able to ap whenever I want to.  I will keep practicing and not to give up.  I remember a while ago I did start to ap in the afternoons without any sleep but I stopped doing it as I was having problems with my legs.  I do not have that problem anymore as I take magnesium tablets.  This morning I ap and I stayed out a lot longer thanks to your advice.  I looked at the scenery and I took in what I was seeing.  I still have problems not being able to go where I want to go to.  I have to do what Xanths says to do and that is have intent.  I do not think I have intent and that why I do not get there. 

[Astralzombie]

This is still an excellent technique for those who need a technique (I guess we all do but I now just see it as doing and not trying) but like any other method, my RTZ experiences have dried up using it.

The search continues...

[Lionheart]

 I always try experimenting with new ways to access the NPR consciously aware.

Not only does that stave off boredom, it can also help new members out as well! 

Another Win-Win! 

[Astralzombie]

I always try experimenting with new ways to access the NPR consciously aware.

Not only does that stave off boredom, it can also help new members out as well! 

Another Win-Win! 

Consciously aware is what I mean by intent. When I project from a dream, these OOBEs are always more colorful or more bleak depending on the narrative I guess. My RTZ projections from a dream are almost always in the past so I guess that doesn't fit the bill since it is not the real time though it is of this Earthly world.

[Projector4life]

I have been trying this technique for two weeks now. I have finally had my first projection. I tried each of the 4 positions. The one that worked for me was the bottom one. After focusing on my awareness on that point, I felt myself move rapidly downward through the length of the body.

The only part I do not understand is I felt like a pinpoint of consciousness that moved downward and out. I was not aware of an energy body.

The above is my first projection. I have decided to start writing a log of my projections in order for me to stay motivated.

04/03/2013:
I had a projection this morning. I focused my entire awareness at the bottom point again like I did my first time. After a minute, I felt my awareness travel downward below my feet (in line with the body) and to the left. I was out for just a few seconds. I saw my bedroom, and was sucked back in my body which felt like it jumped afterwards. I found when I cleared my random thoughts is when I made progress.

[Astralsuzy]

This is an easy technique.  I have not mastered it yet but I think I will.   Last night I did not go to bed as it is too comfortable.  I will only fall asleep.  I was on the floor in another room.  It was not very comfortable.  If I persevered with it longer I am sure I would have succeeded.  I will try again tonight.  If I am successful I will let you know.  I would not try doing this if you are already tired.  It is important to get some sleep if you are tired.

I would like to say thanks to Xanth.  I am very appreciative for his advice.  In another post he said, you cannot just lie there, you have to do things to make it happen.  That stayed in my mind.  Sometimes I do try to get out of my body but I do not always try.  I just lie there for a long time without results.  As I said I did not ap last night but I did this morning.  I was in my bed and I was breathing in and out.  This time I talked myself into relaxing when I was breathing.  I was determined to ap.  I put my mind to it.  I thought I can ap, I can do it and I did.  I was not listening to any CD.  I was wide awake.  I was imagining walking and I was out of my body.   

[Projector4life]

06/24/2013

I had another projection. This time I used the point that is a little distance in front of my body at the level of the space in between my eyebrows. I felt my body vibrate. I did a log roll to the left and I felt myself slip out of body. My energy body landed on the bedroom floor. I was able to slide forward along the floor as my form of locomotion. I looked up to the ceiling and saw a light I haven't seen before. I made it back into my body. I woke up and looked towards the ceiling and saw the same exact light. It was coming from a space in between the curtain.