Not AGAIN

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Woah, is it really that important? If it annoys you that much perhaps you should just do your best to ignore it. Besides, who's to say what those websites talk about can't be accomplished if a person believes in it enough?

[goingslow]

I agree ft.. but then again maybe they're all telling the truth.  Maybe at kiteachings he really is the Master he protrays himself to be and half the people on his forums believe they're part alien and part human.  Or his army where one of the 13 year old ki masters has 200 kids at his disposal and 2000 adults.  Apparently he has knocked them down with ki blasts so much the whole school submits to them. Its possible *spins around*..  That was fun.

Seriously though summer is out and I think we're going to see a lot of amazing ki pictures.  Pictures of 13 year olds levitating etc..  

Im not bothered by people who want to learn such things only people who deceive and lie about what they can do.  It takes credibility away from some of these issues and its insulting to the people who really are interested in gaining skills.

[anjiera]

I think that people can accomplish (almost) anything if they try/work hard and believe in themselves enough! And, it isn't very nice to say mean things about people! l;P

[no_leaf_clover]

people can achieve pretty much anything that is possible to obtain within their lifespan. shooting huge balls of energy and blowing crap up with it just doesnt seem realistic, and if it was, it would require astronomical amounts of energy compared to how much is normally used by the human body. and youre just shooting it off into space.. you could use it for much more useful things.

[Squeek]

somebody Im'ed me today and asked if i was a part of the army.  I thought was one of James's psychic army buddies at first, then i just ignored him as you should ignore this post.

~Squeek

[Links Shadow]

To say that it is NOT POSSIBLE is nieve.  I mean come on, your mind only has the limits that you put on it.  Do I think it is likely any one on this forum or anyone else in the world is capable of the discipline to actually fight DBZ style?  Not really, but I do think that their are gifted people that if they really tried they might be able to reach a very advanced level in their abilities that they could.  This is very unlikely though because if they are that advanced hopefully they would realize there are better uses for their skills.  This is just my humble opinion though, so you can all believe whatever you want to believe.

[kakkarot]

"anger is a wind which blows out the lamp of the mind"¹, fat turkey.

don't forget, people, that this site is MORE about spiritual development than about energy. robert bruce, i'm sure, means for the NEW energy ways to be used as a supplement towards helping people become more aware of the spiritual side of the universe.

and part of that spirituality is in NOT becoming angry because other people believe different things.

frankly, i'm getting sick of people picking on the "DBZers" just because they want to believe such things. THEY DON'T HAVE TO CONFORM TO WHAT YOU OR I BELIEVE ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO CONFORM TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE!

~kakkarot

¹ don't know who said it first, but it wasn't me.

[Fat_Turkey]

Wow thanks for opening my eyes everyone. But I personally disagree that the Ki Teachings website is worth anything at all, it seems to me as though the creator of that site wishes to show off and get attention more than he does teach people. But then again that's only what I think, what do I know?

Well I'm sorry for packing such a huge spaz on everyone - my bad. I guess the point I was _originally_ trying to make was that there are too many websites that lie about these things, and there are too many people that believe their lies...e.g. the Underground Society webpage.

Sorry
-FT

[SpiritPathwalker]

Actually, I kinda enjoy the fact that there web sites that are total different view on things (even if others might think them junk, irrelevent if they are or not).

 What better way to cut out the annoying "How do you become a super sajan?" posts in these places?  While I believe anything could be possible, I havn't seen anyone flying around with glowing yellow hair and an aura of energy about them.  If someone can prove such can be done now though, I stand corrected on it being an annoying question.  Point is by the fact that places exist where people can talk about power levels and how to do a proper kamehame's(spelling?), even if they think it real (irrelevent if is or not, see above note on proving it), leaves this place a bit more free for subjects the people here want to talk about.

 Now, if someone started a topic purly on the DBZ anime, say in the Spiritual Development area, then I'd be a bit fumed, other then the fact that it'ed be removed for not being on topic, so no problems there

-Soulwolf Pathwalker

[Squeek]

Boy I love getting these IMs from random people.

(L)Kenny(L): hi
Squeek: hi
(L)Kenny(L): can you teach me more of ki?
Squeek: i didnt know i taught you any
(L)Kenny(L): can you please be my teacher
Squeek: no...
Squeek: i dont know anything
(L)Kenny(L): oh man
(L)Kenny(L): can you show me a pic of real ki?
Squeek: no...
Squeek: i cant do anything
(L)Kenny(L): oh....
(L)Kenny(L): can you tell me about the demonic war in 2012?
Squeek: no
Squeek: i dont know anything

Now his real screename was "(L)Kenny(L) NO i dont want that demonic war to come"  That was loads of fun.  Please don't IM me for stupid reasons people.  I'm retarded.  Here's the rest of the convo.  I like this part.

(L)Kenny(L): HOW OLD R U
Squeek: 17
(L)Kenny(L): i am 18
Squeek: im sure you are
(L)Kenny(L): realy
Squeek: yep...most assuredly
(L)Kenny(L): IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BE 18???
(L)Kenny(L): KID
Squeek: -.-
Squeek: you're 13
(L)Kenny(L): no 18
Squeek: no.  You're 13
(L)Kenny(L): how u ever came by it i am 13??? i am 18 man
Squeek: im sure
(L)Kenny(L): how can you be sure of that?
Squeek: because i am a psychologist
(L)Kenny(L): i am 18 realy
Squeek: yep
Squeek: whatever you say cheif
(L)Kenny(L): rrrrr beleive me man
Squeek: naw
Squeek: i like this
(L)Kenny(L): your not a good psychologist you know
Squeek: i do know
(L)Kenny(L): lol you got me i am 14...

~Squeek

[Maverickk]

Well Fat Turkey, your thoughts are meant for good, im sure.  Although, Veritas is hardly a "legit" web site.  These ppl are the same who defended the ideas of the Underground Society(dont know if anyone knows what that is).  The very same ppl who took a theory about flys and suddenly became masters of Matrix like acts involving slowing the perception of the mind.  These ppl are LAMBS, tell them something and a few will believe, then the influence of the few will effect the lot of them and they will document it as FACT on their web site.  They have no credibility or proof of their claims.  If you want "legit" teaching, dont look on a web site.  Read a book or go to the YMCA and start up some yoga.  If you must go to a web site...
qi-journal.com
qi.org
...are the most "legit" sites i know of...

[Fat_Turkey]

Yo Maverickk...there are some things on that site that are still Underground Society-ish things, e.g. burnouts etc., but don't discard the theories on Lentation just because they sound unreal. After all, it is possible to alter the perception of the mind, as shown by altered states of consciousness. What is astral projection and telekinesis but nothing more than altered states of consciousness?? The ideas interest me. That's not to say that you or me have to believe a damned scrap of it. I still find the info about burnouts and such to be total rubbish, but hey - its just an explanation for something they don't understand (why it hurts when you get loads of energy in your body).

What's this theory on flies?? I have all of that websites articles to read through and think about and I haven't come across anything about flies or flying...yet...

Could you expand on that a little?

Later
-FT

[panabelle]

Squeek: HAHAHA! That was hilarious. Did he really say "ur not a very good psychologist"? That's rich...[] And meaningful too!

I completely agree with what Kakkarot said. If everyone just left everyone else's beliefs alone and kept all the "that's crap" remarks to themselves (no offense meant, FT [|)] I see what you're saying) then everyone would be all happy and...stuff. Lost my train of thought. Oh well. Close enough.

[Fat_Turkey]

Yeah I really should lay off...but seriously sometimes it gets SO far I mean there are still people who ask me how to teleport and blow things up. Yeah maybe in 100 years or so they're "power levels" will get to 6million so they can go ssj level 2 and destroy things like that. Sure. Yeah.

I'm not trying to trash the beliefs of the ones who are really down to earth about it. I'm just sick of all those guys who need a good wake-up call from their DBZ fantasies. I mean DBZ is a TV show. It's DIFFERENT from reality (shock horror). It was made up. Act of fiction. I just don't get it how so many people actually believe that KiMasterSSJwarrior476 can do a KameHameHa, go SSJ 5 or some crap like that and somehow miraculously escape any sort of public attention whatsoever.

I believed in the ki systems for quite a while. 3 months in fact. But after you learn the basics most of the sites just give you fluff. Nothing in the "Advanced Techs" sections of those sites is remotely possible in our lifetimes. And about 2 or 3 of the "Intermediate Techs" could become possible after about a decade or two, but not nearly as powerful as the sites ramble them on to be.



I get the feeling that this post has made me somewhat of a bad guy on the forums now. I may seem to have more of a single-minded attitude these days. But try to understand people, there are just some things that are downright annoying. This forum was meant for energy development, not SSJGohanPiccolo to run around pretending he has superpowers or KiKid2345 asking SSJGohanPiccolo how to do those superpowers which just can't be accomplished in our lifetimes.

I'm sorry for going off at everyone and putting out the "that's crap" idea. I'm just saying "stop being so damned annoying, cause I've answered these questions a billion times!!"

Later
-FT

[panabelle]

It's ok, I feel your pain.[] But if you're getting annoyed at being asked the same question a zillion times, then stop answering. [|)] "If you don't have something nice to say don't say anythign at all."

[Squeek]

Yea that was legit.  I loved that convo.  Guess what? I've gotten like 50 since then!  YAY!!! Stupid people who decide that I am better than anybody else and I can find the time in my busy life to actually teach them something I don't even know!  GO ME!

~Squeek

[Nay]

Hey squeek!

If it makes you feel any better I NEVER thought you were better than anyone else..Hehehehehehe.

*wipes tears from eyes*  ohhhhhh I kill myself!

[] Nay.

[Fat_Turkey]

LOL!!

Well this has been a good convo... got rid of some pent up rage I had and I've really learnt something from it - I think [].

Laters all
-FT

[Maverickk]

back at the underground when first talk of lentation appeared, someone told everyone that flies had a way of doing this which scientists called lentation.  Not a way, in actuality, but a theory that this is what they might do.  of course the idea was raped and beaten until that darkduck fella and his buddy silver were masters of it.  Why, becuase they can tell anyone there anything they want and it will be believed.  LAMBS...

[mysticki]

mind if I jump in yall?[^]
I would agree with everything. Ki teachings is reminding me of the underground, I hated the underground. Everything on the site is bull, from the ascendation (which is technically a powerup in their eyes) from the mega kamehameha thingamabob. It sickens me that this is what people are exposed to everyday when they type in ki. However, I call this "popular ki". Why because it shows everything popular right now and what people want to be in little. Sites like that are the perfect training ground for otaku losers that want to be gokuh, or a new practitioner that wants to be a n00b.
However, there is minimal hope for the new practitioner. Because most will type in ki and get all of this crap. And then people with limited experience (2 years or less) sends possible hopefuls to dbz'er sites, where they were misinformed, ergo the circle of lies continue.
It really makes it bad when you try to voice your opinion, and then people call you naive just because you(many people including myself) share the same belief on ki practice and feels that the dbz crap has to stop. It is almost like an unofficial 13 year olds stick together policy. protect the dbz'er at all cost or something, despite someone might be saying something right...
5 years ago 9yeah a long time ago), I tried a good percentage of the techniques, and they were pointless in confrontation. So 6 months later, I took up qi gong, then a year later, taijichuan. I am about to leave taijichuan to take up kung fu. I suggest all n00bs taking a martial art for truth and ki
I refer to you as n00bs because of your ignorance, not because you are new to energetic arts, because most radical practitioners have a mndset of I can kill with a kamehameha.That is my 2 cents. L8

[JonProject]

I couldn't agree with you more Mysticki.  I believe that anybody serious about learning anything Ki related should definetly get into martial arts first.  And yes, DBZers bug almost everybody else.  It is very frustrating when searching for Ki related websites and we end up with Gokuh1425 (whom has never studied any type of martial art) 'teaching' us how to perform a "Final Flash".  But the bottom line is; anything worth learning is never easy to acquire.

[panabelle]

"It is almost like an unofficial 13 year olds stick together policy. protect the dbz'er at all cost or something, despite someone might be saying something right..."

Betcha didn't know I'm 13. Squeek is only a few years ahead. And (here's the kicker) Fat Turkey too. I admit there are a lot of young, misinformed minds, but not all young minds are misinformed. Kinda like that a-square-is-a-rectangle-but-a-rectangle-is-not-a-square thing. Let's not prejudice based on age; it's the one thing that annoys me.

[mysticki]

my mistake...take it back-some 13 year old dbz'ers or teens that act like idiotic 13 year olds. All 13 year olds aren't bad...[]

[Fat_Turkey]

Actually I'm 14 now and started energy training when I was 13. And I also followed under those DBZ sites for a while, but I learnt better before my 14th birthday[].

I would have to say that most of those guys don't act like 13 year olds, more rather like 10 year olds. A lot of them aren't even mature enough to be given a ~teen age.

And about otaku's, I am sort of one but I don't exactly like DBZ. Yeah I'm into anime and games and computers and stuff, but I'm not obsessive and I don't like DBZ.

But MysticKi, those are words of wisdom. I bet nobody here could've settled it any better.

Later
-FT

[panabelle]

Thanks! 'Preciate it greatly.

Fat Turkey (and everyone else too), I'm impressed. When I first came here, a post like FT's original would be followed by a passionate raving about how DBZ sucks and everyone who likes it should not be allowed to use the Internet. [] I think this thread was very profitable and mature.

(Watch ssjoku post with something in all Caps next. [|)][])