Retrievals and mindset.

[Szaxx]

Hi All,
Another read and some questions will be answered.

Retrievals are becoming discussed more and more as we gain our awareness and functional understanding of the Non Physical.
At times it can take several months or even years between them, this I feel is due to the task in hand and the emotional state of the retriever. Lets face it, if you're emotionally stressed an outing is almost impossible. Recently I understand this as night time produced not one dream and any attempt at phasing ended in unconsciousness seconds into it.
The thought manifestations occuring with an upset emotional state is something to think about. The results could be damaging until the actual reality of the situation was known.
Its therefore a good idea to not make any attempts on an exit unless you are calm collected and stable of mind.
The basic retrieval is usually a one on one situation where a problem exists that the oppressed can't see past. Your mission is to intercept this obstacle which you can see and alter the storyline to allow a change.
It sounds easy to do, well it's anything but that. Even the simplest retrievals require a specific mindset. There's things you need to use as tools that physically don't exist, a few examples are, telekinesis, shape shifting, mind reading (very useful), being able to accept an imprint of a persons life in an instant and make a decision which could be returning the imprint back to them showing where the errors of their ways actually start. This is not used much but can create havoc if misinterpreted. There's many more basic actions like flying these are known at the start or appear as tools during the experience.
Most early ones are so real to you and you know nothing of the physical body in bed or the reality you are in is not the physical. Its real and all you know is a problem needs solving. At times this is known, at others you're in the deep end and the clocks ticking away...
You need to be yourself, this is a developing second personality that can adapt to any situation presented. Without it you'll never see a retrieval. It's since my acknowledgment of a second me that is pre-programmed by whatever sets these predicaments up for resolution that I've based this on. Any feedback is accepted.
(I have read many texts from 100 years ago as these are less likely to have a personalised influence in their contents. A few modern books but not MBT or anything similar. When  enough errors appear in what I've interpreted I'll give them a read. )
I don't wear a white robe too, yes I know you'll read this eventually.(no name)...
The second personality is the memory of your learnings from any NPR. I have no idea where it is, if it is or ever has been created. It's real, it's you and can be instantly conditioned to any NPR whether it has form akin to the physical or is a void of telepathic emotional mentally stimulated oneness. Words fail as our primary sense means nothing (sight) and mind to mind instant knowledge communication is all and everything. (a very rare experience).
As most on here will acknowledge, the extra senses available in the NPR are one level up on Mr Physical. Its a pointlesss task attempting any communication on this, unless there's free beer and sport involved.
More of you will be accessing related memories to events that fit this topic without realising it. Id guess all who do are proficient at travelling the various NPR's. This DOESN'T include the RTZ. This locale is important in the learning but seems to serve no purpose at all related to retrievals. If you can say otherwise let me know.
A typical example of the two personalities with variants.
(Remember what you experience is real and the only reality you know.)
A 9 year old walking towards a white building in a reasonable part of town. Not many others around and a quiet road.
Then the doors open on this white building and a 16 year old appears. He is showing violence in full fury. Nothing is left without a kicking. He the sees the 9 year old about 100 feet away. A car is coming now and will pass as they meet. You are sitting on a bench on the other side of the road unseen by both lads.
What would you do in the physical?
1,Ignore it and it'll go away.
2,Run across the road and turn the 16 year old into paste.
3, shout over to the lads and attempt conversation.
If you are totally honest with yourself you'll have your answer.
If you're in the non physical but in your second personality, what would be so different?
This has an answer and only one. If you understand it then the chances of you being tested already are very strong.
Comments guys...

[Bedeekin]

There is this new attitude of setting up a question and waiting for others to give right or possibly more importantly to the original thread poster... 'wrong' answers so the poster can then intervene and impose their wisdom upon them. I won't say any names.

I need more details because were I to be seeing this in 'the only reality I know' I would observe many many details very quickly. This is more like a riddle than an actual scenario.. like "there is a building with four walls... each faces south... what colour is the bear outside?"

White building? sounds weird why you would mention this... does it matter what colour the building is? Are you specifying a particular type of building by saying white? like a mosque or a working mens club... which are generally white for some reason?

What about the car? what difference does a car make.. unless it is part of a riddle?

aaanyway... I will answer truthfully discarding the useless information that if part of the riddle has totally gone over my head in light of a genuine non-trick riddle.

A 16 year old yob is violent and angry as he comes out of a building and there is a little 9 year old walking towards him?

In the limited choice of answers I would choose 3.

In reality I would shout to the 16 year old "How high is your fence?"

This would throw him off guard for a moment... maybe he would look to me after shouting and show more attitude maybe he might say "WTF did you say?"

"How high is your fence? In Spain the fences are this big (I would gesture a small size below his height) but over here fences are this high (and I would gesture a height above mine)"

The 16 year old would then, after being faced by a completely unrelated subject that wasn't posed in threatening manner, have what is known as an adrenaline dump... it's like losing an erection... the same process actually... and would either be completely perplexed or he would try to further act tough.

In which case the little 9 year old has disappeared around the corner.

Job done.

[Lionheart]

 Excellent post Szaxx!  

I find that the second personality in my mind tends to be the "hero" me. The one that can actually make a difference. The one that can help others, whereas this real crippled physical body that I house, cant'.

I don't mean that to be "egotistical" at all. A hero to me is not someone who needs to be seen to make a difference.

A Hero is someone that makes a difference because it is their nature, not a person that does good for some kind of public notice or accolades.

The only accolades I ever need was the knowing that I did make a difference!  

In your situation I would immediately move myself right into the path between the two children, to shield the younger innocent child, with a thought=action blink of an eye. From there I would try to help the one with the anger issues, by trying to understand what has made him so angry.

The passing car wouldn't even be an issue.

[Bedeekin]

I am not understanding things recently.

Either I am suffering from some brain problem and lack of intelligence or maybe I should have a rest from the forum. Not sure.

I was actually speaking from experience with my answer... on 3 occasions.

I wasn't aware you meant the nonphysical. I thought you meant physical.

I apologise.

[Lionheart]

 My understanding was that we were in the NPR but understood that everything we were experiencing was completely real. That we didn't know we were in the NP at that moment.

This was said by the "Remember what you experinece is real and the only reality you know" statement.

But if we were NP at that moment, our first thought would cause an immediate occurrence/action, because in the NPR thought=action, whether we understood this or not.

[Bedeekin]

Right. I have intervened in real situations like the one posed using the same words and dispelled potential violent actions. Maybe that threw me. 

I wouldn't do either in the nonphysical.

I would simply relocate the 16 year old.

[Astralzombie]

Even though I know thought equals action, the whole physical appeal during the experience usually stops me from considering these types of actions. I would never think to will my self there in an instant. I would wait for the car to pass and hurry across the street after looking both ways again.

I would hate to take a "wait and see what happens" attitude but just what if it's the child that turns out to be the deviant.

I just read another one of Szaxx's post which said that the feeling of always knowing we are physically safe will not always be there. That concerns me more than I want to admit.

So does the second personality metaphor because if anything, I can be less confident at times, while at others I feel like Superman.

[ChopstickFox]

Thank you for making this topic, it really gives the opportunity to think. Especially to be able to reflect on the personality differences. It is really exciting to read in the past few threads recently that others have a sort of personality shift in such a way. I've always felt a sense of "growing up in two places at once" kind of thing. It is me, but at the same time there are differences. Maybe in a way of my physical self aspiring to be.

I have a hard time imagining how I would physically react in such situations because I've never come across them in the physical world. Whereas, I know how my non physical self would react from experience. Sometimes in the physical I imagine, "how would I react if suddenly so and so happened", but I can never imagine a clear answer. Would I cower? Would I be foolish? Would I put myself in danger? But there is no answer.

Once, and this is recalling a rather low part of my life... The lowest actually, in a depression. On the spur of the moment I decided to drive a few states north on a whim to see fall in the mountains. I just needed to escape things for a while. On my way back, I noticed some hitchhikers at a rest stop. I've always wanted to pick up hitchhikers and give them a hand, but I had always been too afraid that I would be tricked and possibly killed. Against better judgement, I asked them where they were going and I told them I could being them part way, about 200 miles. I let them into my car with full intentions that if they tried to harm me, I would crash the car, of course hoping that nothing would go wrong. They were actually very interesting people. They asked me if I was a hippie because I have a bumper sticker that says "I <3 chickens" on it. They even told me "Don't you ever dare pick up hitchhikers again", haha. I still don't tell many people about it. Like I said, I felt like I had nothing to lose.

But otherwise? Would I put myself into danger in the physical? Would I stand up to someone with a weapon? Probably not. Sorry, for derailing like that.

As for my non physical self, even with no knowledge that I am asleep and believe that I am in danger, I still face it for a purpose. Especially children. I would risk everything. I've died, come close to dying to help save them. It doesn't matter if they are from an "enemy side" (referring to a prior retrieval) or what. That's not to say I am never conflicted, or oblivious to the danger. I certainly understand it, but it's that I don't believe I would be able to live with myself if I didn't do what I felt was right.

As for the situation brought up, in the non physical, I would observe, but be ready to intervene if the 16 year old posed any threat. Depending on what he was yelling about, probably try to calm him down. Put myself between the two then depending on the situation make my next move.

I'm no superman, but I sure can put up a fight.
And above all, if I have purpose, I will keep on going till I'm done for. Wouldn't have it any other way.

[ChopstickFox]

I forgot to add, is there a difference between a test and a retrieval? I just want to clarify this for myself.

[Astralzombie]

I forgot to add, is there a difference between a test and a retrieval? I just want to clarify this for myself.

To me there is but I may only be seeing it how I want to.

A test prepares us for many things and let's us know the areas where we excel as well as the one's we need more work. Obviously this is the same take on tests in the physical but in the NPR, they help us to grow much faster.

After my experience, I watched a Bob Monroe film in which he discusses retrievals but I don't recall if he ever used that term specifically. He says that the beings we retrieve from their own personal misery are just aspects of ourselves while others may be of no relation.

He has some amazing insights and I love how he is constantly reminding us to go and see for ourselves and not to take his word for it.

[ChopstickFox]

He has some amazing insights and I love how he is constantly reminding us to go and see for ourselves and not to take his word for it.

That's a very good view to have.

[Szaxx]

Hi again. 
The question is two way. You're not physical si you are in your second self. The amount of awareness in the beginning is very similar to the physical. Your mindset is totally different. With few experiences the two answers would be closely related. With lots of experience the result will be different with major changes.
My answer would be to move into the road near to the 9 year old and ask if he could help pick up my hat which magically appeared on the road.
He's safe and away from the other lad. Then a question or two should give an answer to his temper.
I liked all the answers.
B, dont worry if things have already occurred in the physical. I Understand not knowing why some have this bad attitude. I've challenged 2 bullies at a time and the physical aggression burning inside takes some controlling. I wanted to turn the big one into paste. Fortunately for me he wet his pants when I picked him up and slammed him against a wall. His other ran off. My anger depleted instantly. So I understand totally your comment.
Is there a beginning to this inherent anger in some? It seems to be endless though.
The theme is when reading the first paragraph, did it make any sense not knowing that below? Did you read it again?
Theres lots of people who wouldnt. Im out of time now aaaggghhh. Later.

[Szaxx]

Resuming,

It appears in all of my recent (last 10 years maybe more) experiences 'helping', this second personality has various aspects of self removed or installed into its knowledgebase. Most common is the singular aspect of the immediate environment is ALL there is. There's nothing remotely odd in this too. It's a natural awareness and has always been.
I'm convinced many ' travellers ' have also had this on occasion during their experiences and later thought 'why didn't I think of (whatever) while out?'
A natural reaction of self seemingly missing during the experience. Easily misinterpreted as a non clarity moment.
The initial presented scene is one made where the answers are many and each one submitted has the similarity of assumptions. In this case the older lad had a problem. This is based on your natural acceptance of experiences from this physical existance.
In the retrievals this inbuilt characteristic is partially removed. Later in the experience more of that removed reappears. This is strangely interesting and some feedback may expose its meaning further than the possible distraction factors.
   Another search mission was enlisted upon me recently. The initial idea was to transform shape fly around a location and light the sky hoping to get some form of contact. It changed part way through the transform and I had 3 entities in total darkness mentally communicating the simple task for a very deserved reason. I obviously took it and quickly succeeded.
Afterwards the path taken and the whole experience opened up a new realisation. I was following part of something I did many years ago. I remembered leaving the required items in the safe place. I put them there myself. This time I had to recover items that belonged to someone else. What's going on here?
I can put it down to this reduced second personality thing but then it opens up more questions relating to we are one.
Get your head around that if you can...
I put the items there many years ago, decades ago and had to get them back to the owner who isn't me now but was back then.
I wonder whats in store next?